farawaysaint Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Injury prone and overpaid. No longer the player he once was. I agree on all counts, I still think it would be pretty useful to have a big game player like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 I agree on all counts, I still think it would be pretty useful to have a big game player like him. When he's not injured that is. Think he's managed very few appearances so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 We should have signed Schweinsteiger, obviously. Then at least Morgan would be getting a game at Man U. Fact is you can't replace Morgan, he was just too good in that role. Whoever you sign to replace him will be a poor substitute. I still think Romeu can become a half decent replacement, and Claisie is actually very good, or at least will be once he is fully fit and has a few months experience of the PL under his belt. But neither are Morgan and neither ever will be. Its like saying who can we replace Le Tissier with, or Channon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 We could do a lot worse than Jonjo Shelvey. Tough tackling, can pass a decent long pass and scores a few. Also proven premier league player and wouldn't cost a huge amount. Better than some we have bought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 We should have signed Schweinsteiger, obviously. Then at least Morgan would be getting a game at Man U. Fact is you can't replace Morgan, he was just too good in that role. Whoever you sign to replace him will be a poor substitute. I still think Romeu can become a half decent replacement, and Claisie is actually very good, or at least will be once he is fully fit and has a few months experience of the PL under his belt. But neither are Morgan and neither ever will be. Its like saying who can we replace Le Tissier with, or Channon? Morgan does play at Utd,Usually 3 on the trot and then one on the bench, Carrick and Basti alternate for the rest. Morgan's grandfather died a while ago so he had a couple of games off for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 We could do a lot worse than Jonjo Shelvey. Tough tackling, can pass a decent long pass and scores a few. Also proven premier league player and wouldn't cost a huge amount. Better than some we have bought! You really think Swansea would flog us (a direct PL rival) one of their best players (on his day) on the cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 You really think Swansea would flog us (a direct PL rival) one of their best players (on his day) on the cheap? No, not on the cheap. But equally, he won't cost £25 million either. At least it is a realistic possibility, not out of the question territory.... I hate him when he plays for Swansea- normally I sign he is annoyingly useful against us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 No, not on the cheap. But equally, he won't cost £25 million either. At least it is a realistic possibility, not out of the question territory.... I hate him when he plays for Swansea- normally I sign he is annoyingly useful against us! No denying when he is on song he is a good player. But I couldn't see Swansea selling to us at anything but a hugely inflated price. Kind of wish we had taken a punt on Georginio Wijnaldum as an attacking midfield option before the toon got in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 The Cork better than Vic debate .Thought we got past that.Vic is in a completely different league to Cork.Cork was a good squad player nothing more. Vic is class , and like Spider we'll miss him when he's gone. Utter nonsense this idea that Vic is in a different league to Cork imo. Cork's an excellent player and him and Wanyama would have been an excellent partnership. He offers the passing that Wanyama that Wanyama is uncapable of while Wanyama clearly has the advantage in the physical presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Dembele CDAJFU Unlikely to happen now but prob would have been available in the last window. this. He couldn't get a game for Spurs last season with Mason first choice (so must have been an option), but when he played against us I thought he looked tremendous. Power and ability on the ball. Everything that Morgan has. We need that sort of combination of facets. Size and pace isn't everything, but winning headers, getting to the second ball, being able to make interceptions, get close enough to opponents to force errors, and then using the thing when you get it is what's required of a CM. Does that sound like JWP, Classie or Romeu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Alex Song would have been pretty sweet. looked **** when we played them and in every game I've seen him play for West Ham. Massively overrated. West Ham didn't seem terribly fussed about resigning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 (edited) this. He couldn't get a game for Spurs last season with Mason first choice (so must have been an option), but when he played against us I thought he looked tremendous. Power and ability on the ball. Everything that Morgan has. We need that sort of combination of facets. Size and pace isn't everything, but winning headers, getting to the second ball, being able to make interceptions, get close enough to opponents to force errors, and then using the thing when you get it is what's required of a CM. Does that sound like JWP, Classie or Romeu? I think Dembelé played about his average number of games for Spurs last season 25/30 or so. Obviously took a bit of time to adapt to the Pochettino system, normal he's 28 now and it takes a while. Edited 3 December, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Exactly. I seem to recall a lot of people giving him grief in early days! YES, I recall people saying he was; too young, too skinny had no control etc, etc, but (in time) he developed into the player he is - but not without a few growing pains. The majority of players we " lose " .... or who retire cannot be " replaced " in the sense that they are " cloned ". There never was a replacement for MLT... or Niemi...or Michael Svensson. When you get a new player sometimes you have to change the system to suit the players. Not everyone has to be 6 foot+ to be a good footballer, although physical height can be an advantage, it's not essential for every position on the field. With KD .....OOC next summer, Jose Fonte will be the last of the L1 players who improved enough to make it through and to nail down a regular place in the Prem. IMHO ...Fonte has improved in the same way that Schneiderlin has. I hope he continues for a few more seasons, but if last night's fiasco is anything to go by, in time .....the next question will be : Who will replace Jose? - when he finishes......no-one that I can think of right now. I just know it's no guarantee that someone who is good in one team will be equally successful in another, and I am thoroughly miffed at those people who condemn someone new....after a poor start, or a few bad games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 No, not on the cheap. But equally, he won't cost £25 million either. At least it is a realistic possibility, not out of the question territory.... I hate him when he plays for Swansea- normally I sign he is annoyingly useful against us! Why would he want to join us? We can't offer him anything he doesn't already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 We could do a lot worse than Jonjo Shelvey. Tough tackling, can pass a decent long pass and scores a few. Also proven premier league player and wouldn't cost a huge amount. Better than some we have bought! Shelvey has talent, but I think he's another Prutton, or Quashie.....when that red mist comes up before his eyes.....it's the ref's red card....He lacks self-control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Here's a radical thought....Virgil Van Dyjk. Has the tackling ability, passing range and clearly has a good shot on him. Morgan never scored many, I this lad could. Easier and better all round to move him forward and get another CB (or two actually!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 I think Dembelé played about his average number of games for Spurs last season 25/30 or so. Obviously took a bit of time to adapt to the Pochettino system, normal he's 28 now and it takes a while. He started just 19 of the 57 games they played last season. As I said Mason was first choice and just like Cork if we had offered him first team football his head may have been turned. Too late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 December, 2015 Share Posted 3 December, 2015 Here's a radical thought....Virgil Van Dyjk. Has the tackling ability, passing range and clearly has a good shot on him. Morgan never scored many, I this lad could. Easier and better all round to move him forward and get another CB (or two actually!) Hmm... now there's a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 Here's a radical thought....Virgil Van Dyjk. Has the tackling ability, passing range and clearly has a good shot on him. Morgan never scored many, I this lad could. Easier and better all round to move him forward and get another CB (or two actually!) I was halfway to that idea myself... at least he can defend as well and looks ferocious going forward...play VvD in midfield and try Romeu in the back four ....or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 Nothing wrong with Clasie. Not so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 4 December, 2015 Share Posted 4 December, 2015 I was halfway to that idea myself... at least he can defend as well and looks ferocious going forward...play VvD in midfield and try Romeu in the back four ....or ? I don't think Romeu is a CB. Just sign two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 December, 2015 Share Posted 5 December, 2015 (edited) I honestly do. I've seen him play some fantastic passes, tackle viciously and cover a lot of ground...the whole team is low on confidence right now, ridiculous to write him off when everyone is struggling. Fairly sure Schneiderlin wasn't much of a defender for the first 4 years either. It's ridiculous to suggest we can replace a £25m DM with someone at the same level - it's fairly obvious at the moment that Romeu has the defensive side and the physical strength and Clasie the creative side, we can't play 12 players though and Koeman has to pick which of those skills we need more - unless he gets fed up with Wanyama and tries the pair of them together, but that's still 2 players to give us what Schneiderlin does. It's no coincidence Man U look far more solid defensively with him in the side. Edited 5 December, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 December, 2015 Share Posted 5 December, 2015 Here's a radical thought....Virgil Van Dyjk. Has the tackling ability, passing range and clearly has a good shot on him. Morgan never scored many, I this lad could. Easier and better all round to move him forward and get another CB (or two actually!) We didn't learn anything from wasting Alderweireld in DM for about 10 games at the end of last season then as the defence AND midfield was weakened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 December, 2015 Share Posted 5 December, 2015 Virgil isn't a CM and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 5 December, 2015 Share Posted 5 December, 2015 Virgil isn't a CM and never will be. Stick him upfront..Chris Sutton mark II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Will Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Will Hughes? Fairly certain he's been out for some time with an anterior cruciate ligament injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Fairly certain he's been out for some time with an anterior cruciate ligament injury. He wasn't at the time a replacement for Morgan was needed. Hence that's a player I think we should of tried to get. Not a direct replacement as such but a young english player with huge potential in the same postion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 FERNANDO GAGO now at boca at 29 he could do the job until this young upstart took over AMADOU DIAWARA 18 from bologna i know the last chap from bologna didnt make the grade but lets not judge by that expect big things from the lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 He wasn't at the time a replacement for Morgan was needed. Hence that's a player I think we should of tried to get. Not a direct replacement as such but a young english player with huge potential in the same postion. Fair enough, can't argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Method Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 Reed was the answer. Reed is much better than Schneiderlin was when we first signed Schneiderlin. He's just as good as Schneiderlin is off the ball already. Just needs to improve his passing range. Should have got more chances this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 13 January, 2016 Share Posted 13 January, 2016 You cannot replace the irreplaceable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 You cannot replace the irreplaceable! " .....the graveyards are full of irreplaceable men ...." quote by former French President Charles De Gaulle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 " .....the graveyards are full of irreplaceable men ...." quote by former French President Charles De Gaulle An American company president once told me: "Nobody's indispensable. Kennedy gets shot, we've got a new president in five minutes". The man who told me died later of a heart attack on a tennis court and his company continued without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 An American company president once told me: "Nobody's indispensable. Kennedy gets shot, we've got a new president in five minutes". The fact that it was LBJ would suggest that your American company president was not the sharpest tool in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 We were never going to replace him directly without a bitof luck to be honest. Due to injuries/form though we just haevn't been able to stick with a pairing in CM to get some consistency. Maybe Romeu and Classie can now be the answer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 The club were after VVD AND Toby to replace Morgan. One sits in CDM, the other in CB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 You cannot replace the irreplaceable! Yet he is not the first name on the French team sheet by a fair distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Reed was the answer. Reed is much better than Schneiderlin was when we first signed Schneiderlin. He's just as good as Schneiderlin is off the ball already. Just needs to improve his passing range. Should have got more chances this season. Is that you, Harry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Reed was the answer. Reed is much better than Schneiderlin was when we first signed Schneiderlin. He's just as good as Schneiderlin is off the ball already. Just needs to improve his passing range. Should have got more chances this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Lars Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 (edited) Is he still out? He was really good when I saw him but that was ages ago now. There were loads of rumours about big money bids from Liverpool, but there were for Gray too. Another one I'd hope we'd be monitoring anyway. Feel like we've missed out on a few. Not many take gambles on lower league players, but I thought we could have looked at Andre Gray and Afobe before they moved to Burnley and Wolves. They both got a bit expensive then once they've even proven it in the championship. I suppose if we won't give our own youngsters a chance it's unlikely we'll do it with lower league signings. Have we played a game with zero British players yet? Only a matter of time now. I don't think we can unless we play a foreign player at left back, Cocu the most likely one to play there after Bertrand and Targett? Edited 15 January, 2016 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Exactly. I seem to recall a lot of people giving him grief in early days! ......and a bit more. It took a couple of seasons for him to become established (and accepted), and a season more to start becoming the Morgan we knew........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Shouldnt we have pushed Romeu more, rather than bench him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 I would have loved us to have nipped in before Leicester and got Kante.. Most impressive player I have seen this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 haha. when I heard arsenal signed elneny from basel for only 5m I thought that should have been us. looks like a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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