VectisSaint Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Shaqiri is 5ft 7 ins same height as Clasie. I agree that Wise wasn't in the same class as Ball and Scholes but I still think he could play Premiership football if he was young enough today. Apparently the average height for a male in the is country is 5ft 9 ins so 5ft 7 ins is hardly midget status. Anyone would look like a midget stood alongside Pelle, Fonte and van Dijk! Actually with access to resources Shaqiri is actually 1 cm taller than Clasie apparently (1.70 to 1.69). Must be the fact that his shorts are too big for him and nearly touch his ankles makes him look really small. Still Jordy is 2 inches or 4cm taller than Dyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Really? I can see Leicester holding on. Only an injury to Vardy or Mahrez would set them back massively. Yep, just like only injuries to any one of Alderweireld, Schneiderlin, Forster, Wanyama or Fonte would have set us back last season. And did, in the case of all but Fonte. And they have even less depth than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 The more he remains at Saints, the more I see a comparison to Harry Redknapp's way of dealings in the transfer market. Something doesn't smell right. His latest call to spend has Harry written all over it. Time will prove me correct and till then I have nothing more to discuss. Box of frogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 The more he remains at Saints, the more I see a comparison to Harry Redknapp's way of dealings in the transfer market. Something doesn't smell right. His latest call to spend has Harry written all over it. Time will prove me correct and till then I have nothing more to discuss. Absolute lunatic. Let's hope you stick to "nothing more to discuss". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 The more he remains at Saints, the more I see a comparison to Harry Redknapp's way of dealings in the transfer market. Something doesn't smell right. His latest call to spend has Harry written all over it. Time will prove me correct and till then I have nothing more to discuss. Have to say ART, comparing Ronald to the **** that is Arry Redknapp is almost the ultimate insult (and borders on the libellous). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 They clearly thought that Martina was worth a punt as a back up defender. Perhaps having seen him in training with the squad they now think otherwise, although he has still made the bench. Doubt he'll be here next season. You know it's gone badly if you're Yoshida's cover at right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Clasie is not the midfield destroyer Vic and Romeu are. Him and JWP are meant to be the artisans, deep lying play markers either spotting runs of the front 3 or feeding Davis or the wide men. Neither of them have had a long time in the team but Clasie played in a World Cup semi, captained feyanoord and 3 games ago was getting great reviews on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 http://www.voetbalinside.nl/#!/artikel/10010/southampton-wil-graag-verder-met-mij Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 http://www.voetbalinside.nl/#!/artikel/10010/southampton-wil-graag-verder-met-mij Translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Translation? according to google the title translates as '' Southampton would like to continue with me '' the bit underneath is How long is Ronald Koeman still trainer at Southampton? Harry asks him! '' I've been here super to my liking and I work in the most beautiful League of Europe '', said Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Martina played under Erwin at RKC Waalwijk so he should have known what he was getting. He certainly convinced Les Reed who said 'Cuco is an experienced and versatile defender...and is the perfect solution'. With a 2 year contract reported to be £20K it's not an insignificant outlay either. Reported where? Please and thank yous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 having already established who " Ronald's choices " are (Pelle, Tadic and Clasie)....you wonder how the others who were signed came about?. I'm sure the " Black Box " came into it somewhere, but it's obvious that part of the discussion must have been.." this guy fits the profile of what we need for (position)" ....but it's not only Saints who buy in foreign players and see them struggle to settle into the Prem. (Man.U and Liverpool have shown some good examples of that) Ronald would probably say...." .OK it's your money - go ahead " -and if they don't fit the mix, then SFC only have themselves to blame. One thing we know for sure is that IF ...Ronald ever had any intention of signing Ron Vlaar (a bitter issue for some on this board 6 months ago)..then he never bothered to follow up on it, because Vlaar has now returned to Holland and signed for AZ Alkmaar. One less derisory issue to talk about. END OF......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 clasie got muscled off the ball by lallana for liverpool's second goal - he needs to sort that out In terms of team investment, our benchmark appears to be the first choice 11 of two seasons ago and against them I think we are, at best, on a par. Trouble is other sides are investing to build their capability not sustain it, which means the net effect is we slip down the league as other sides are gradually getting better overall. Bit like in formula 1 (as incredibly dull as it is), teams that don't develop during the close season generally end up performing worse the following year. Our huge player churn with perceived like-for-like replacements is beginning to bite us on the a4se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Doubt he'll be here next season. You know it's gone badly if you're Yoshida's cover at right back. i'll be disappointed if martina doens't stay on and become the new sammy saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Reported where? Please and thank yous. http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Note his comments on authenticity of given numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 http://redsloscf.blogspot.co.uk/ Note his comments on authenticity of given numbers. Isn't it just all Football Manager approximations anyway? I mean I haven't looked at it all but I see that Schweinsteiger isn't listed in the MU section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Translation? Koeman says that he is going to talk about a new contract in the near future. Southampton wants to continue with him and he says that he is open for it too. If the the club can convince him that they still want to move forward. So we've got a manager who will stay if the owners can convince him the club have some ambition to be more than mid-table. Haven't we been here before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/koeman-reveals-plans-to-listen-to-southampton-about-new-contract-4107795 Ronald Koeman is ready to consider new contract talks with Southampton. The Saints manager is keen to hear from the board of their ambitions. "I'm curious about what the club wants and what the club thinks in the coming years should be done. "That's what I'm going to listen to and then I'll see if I stay or not," Koeman told Voetbal International. "Yes, I am happy. Because I'm super enjoying myself and because I am in the best league in Europe to work. If I see there is still a challenge, then I am happy to continue. Then we'll see what comes." Ronald making his position clear to the club the last few weeks then. More money for players and I'll stay seems to the gist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/koeman-reveals-plans-to-listen-to-southampton-about-new-contract-4107795 Ronald Koeman is ready to consider new contract talks with Southampton. The Saints manager is keen to hear from the board of their ambitions. "I'm curious about what the club wants and what the club thinks in the coming years should be done. "That's what I'm going to listen to and then I'll see if I stay or not," Koeman told Voetbal International. "Yes, I am happy. Because I'm super enjoying myself and because I am in the best league in Europe to work. If I see there is still a challenge, then I am happy to continue. Then we'll see what comes." Ronald making his position clear to the club the last few weeks then. More money for players and I'll stay seems to the gist of it. seems that way. Looks like he is keen to stay, obviously, nearly all want him to say. he has put the feelers out and a little challenge to the club guess if he goes, we are not THAT ambitious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 seems that way. Looks like he is keen to stay, obviously, nearly all want him to say. he has put the feelers out and a little challenge to the club guess if he goes, we are not THAT ambitious Well hopefully we are past the little money black hole the club/owner felt was an issue when Nic left and will be able to spend a bit more in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Well hopefully we are past the little money black hole the club/owner felt was an issue when Nic left and will be able to spend a bit more in the future. As a club we are in great financial health and the summer should give us lots of financial power - the inevitable Mane sale, the new TV money and the new shirt sponsorship and manufacturer deals should not only give us more cash but also more breathing room in FFP to increase the wage bill. However from an owner perspective we owe her estate £60m and the Board have made a commitment to reduce that over the years. The challenge is clear and fair from Koeman though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 As a club we are in great financial health and the summer should give us lots of financial power - the inevitable Mane sale, the new TV money and the new shirt sponsorship and manufacturer deals should not only give us more cash but also more breathing room in FFP to increase the wage bill. However from an owner perspective we owe her estate £60m and the Board have made a commitment to reduce that over the years. The challenge is clear and fair from Koeman though. which is fair enough IMO not to many people even rich ones can afford to right off £60 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 which is fair enough IMO not to many people even rich ones can afford to right off £60 million. Her father bought the club for £13m, when she does sell up she will get in excess of £150m for it. Not sure why she needs the 'loans' paid off as well. The new FFP rules are trying to stop owners saying the money they put into their own clubs is in fact a 'loan'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 which is fair enough IMO not to many people even rich ones can afford to right off £60 million. Well when you've a supposed 3 billion, 60 million is in fact absolutely nothing to write off, it's half of the annual interest on 3 billion invested in government bonds or something. Of course if you don't actually have 3 billion then 60 million becomes more significant as the supposed "fortune" declines. Zuckerberg gave away 45 billion dollars or something and thought it a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 As a club we are in great financial health and the summer should give us lots of financial power - the inevitable Mane sale, the new TV money and the new shirt sponsorship and manufacturer deals should not only give us more cash but also more breathing room in FFP to increase the wage bill. However from an owner perspective we owe her estate £60m and the Board have made a commitment to reduce that over the years. The challenge is clear and fair from Koeman though. Not saying you're not right about this but I'd thought the owner had converted at least some debt to equity, so that she'd get her money back when the club is sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Not saying you're not right about this but I'd thought the owner had converted at least some debt to equity, so that she'd get her money back when the club is sold. She will definitely do that but in October our CEO said this of our latest financial results: “The Group’s future debt position, whilst higher than management would prefer to be carrying, was forecast and in order to further promote financial sustainability, the Group has robust plans in place targeting an on-going reduction in the debt over the medium and long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Got to be looking to keep Koeman if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 Got to be looking to keep Koeman if at all possible. We've done quite well replacing the manager every couple of seasons TBF..... ....having said that I like Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 As a club we are in great financial health and the summer should give us lots of financial power - the inevitable Mane sale' date='[/b'] the new TV money and the new shirt sponsorship and manufacturer deals should not only give us more cash but also more breathing room in FFP to increase the wage bill. However from an owner perspective we owe her estate £60m and the Board have made a commitment to reduce that over the years. The challenge is clear and fair from Koeman though. I still dont see why it is inevitable. why sell him? A body double never signed the deal for him when he signed for us. Why sell him. not as if we are now in need to service debt etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 We've done quite well replacing the manager every couple of seasons TBF..... ....having said that I like Koeman. True. But like with be signings its tough to do continually and get right. Plus quite a few of our better players have strong ties with Koeman so we have a better chance of keeping them. He has done a great job with the resources provided and if he stays it would be an indication that the Club wants to keep pushing forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 2000–2001Vitesse 2001–2005Ajax 2005–2006Benfica 2006–2007PSV Eindhoven 2007–2008Valencia 2009AZ 2011–2014Feyenoord 2014–Southampton Not really the track record of a man planning on spending six years here. He won't be staying. I would think he will sign a new, rolling contract in the summer to do one more year but not have a ticking timebomb contract everyone asks him about every five minutes. And then he'll move on in 2017. That will do us, and him, he'll be our longest serving manager for three decades by then. And people as ever reading too much into fairly anodyne quotes. He's not going to stay forever but he's hardly going to say that now. But if it fuels the "we ain't got no ambition" fu ckwits then at least Ron's providing me some forum amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 2000–2001Vitesse 2001–2005Ajax 2005–2006Benfica 2006–2007PSV Eindhoven 2007–2008Valencia 2009AZ 2011–2014Feyenoord 2014–Southampton Not really the track record of a man planning on spending six years here. He won't be staying. I would think he will sign a new, rolling contract in the summer to do one more year but not have a ticking timebomb contract everyone asks him about every five minutes. And then he'll move on in 2017. That will do us, and him, he'll be our longest serving manager for three decades by then. And people as ever reading too much into fairly anodyne quotes. He's not going to stay forever but he's hardly going to say that now. But if it fuels the "we ain't got no ambition" fu ckwits then at least Ron's providing me some forum amusement. He was sacked or forced to resign in a fair few of those posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 December, 2015 Share Posted 9 December, 2015 He was sacked or forced to resign in a fair few of those posts. Which might suggest that three years might do us lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 December, 2015 Share Posted 10 December, 2015 A few more interesting comments from Ronald in the press conference for the written media. Its on the Saints YT. He sounds like he could be persuaded to stay longer and help the club grow and says we should (like all PL sides I guess) be able to spend more next summer. He is very clear on the finances though: no risk will be taken and we have one of the smaller PL budgets which is offset by having a good structure and belief in what we are doing. He mentions bottom 4 budget, but I think that can't be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 11 December, 2015 Share Posted 11 December, 2015 I would take a punt on the current manager at Watford. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 11 December, 2015 Share Posted 11 December, 2015 We can spend millions on transfers but the core problem is the financial fair play annual wage rise of just £4M. This problem is why we and a couple of other clubs voted against the fair play rules. The only way around that is a massive influx of commercial revenue which i cant see happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 December, 2015 Share Posted 11 December, 2015 We can spend millions on transfers but the core problem is the financial fair play annual wage rise of just £4M. This problem is why we and a couple of other clubs voted against the fair play rules. The only way around that is a massive influx of commercial revenue which i cant see happening. You've misunderstood. The total players salary mass increase is limited to a certain amount of TV revenues, if you increase commercial revenues you can bung on as much of it as you like I think. So if you get a new shirt sponsor deal for 5 million a year whereas the precedent one was only 1 million a year you can add £8 million to your wage bill and so on. This is why getting a shirt sponsor who'll pay serious money is kinda important. It's not a massive influx really but it changes a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 December, 2015 Share Posted 11 December, 2015 I think we can afford a little splurge in January and the summer to convince Ron to stay , isnt this new deal supposed to massively boost all the clubs spending power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 December, 2015 Share Posted 11 December, 2015 I'd like to see Ron stay but if the club let him go it doesn't mean they have lost their ambition. In a year or two they might think it is time for a change. A number of posters kicked off over the weekend about Ron's management style and if results don't improve that discontent will only grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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