CB Fry Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Jose seems to have completely forgotten to say that we should be blooding our brilliant youngsters. Because that's what's required, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14127447.Fonte_urges_Koeman_to_go_spending_in_January_or_risk_getting_left_behind_in_the_Premier_League/ Bit of a mixed message there from Jose...? Yep, and generally not great quotes from the captain of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Well if you were to look at it in the cold light of day we lost three important players in the summer and only really replaced one of them (with VvD). The replacements for the other two are nowhere near up to the level which is going to happen if you sell high and buy low. If that is the ethos of the club then they need to stop the talk of European football for a while because only teams that have a net spend get better in this league year after year. Others' date=' like ourselves, will have good seasons and bad seasons.[/quote'] The club can talk about European Football all they like, but that talk has to be tempered with the ability to deliver it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Well if you were to look at it in the cold light of day we lost three important players in the summer and only really replaced one of them (with VvD). The replacements for the other two are nowhere near up to the level which is going to happen if you sell high and buy low. If that is the ethos of the club then they need to stop the talk of European football for a while because only teams that have a net spend get better in this league year after year. Others' date=' like ourselves, will have good seasons and bad seasons.[/quote'] Especially as when we got European Football we didn't handle it all that well, 2 good days out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14127447.Fonte_urges_Koeman_to_go_spending_in_January_or_risk_getting_left_behind_in_the_Premier_League/ Bit of a mixed message there from Jose...? It has to be a mixed message, he can't easily say some of my colleagues are ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14127447.Fonte_urges_Koeman_to_go_spending_in_January_or_risk_getting_left_behind_in_the_Premier_League/ Bit of a mixed message there from Jose...? It's almost like he started saying things and then thought he might have gone a bit far and backed tracked. TBH we aren't renowned for doing a lot of business in Jan so I'm not expecting much ( was it Elia and err that other bloke who didn't really play who came in on loan last Jan?) On the other hand a couple of new players might shake things up. I really feel Pelle needs some competition. Long is a good last 20 minute sub but not much more and Jrod's return probably hasn't panned out as the club had hoped. Also I'd still like to see a really good AM someone with Davis work rate, Gaston's eye for a pass and a the ability to score a few goals all rolled into one player...not asking much there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 I think it's important not to waste money in January. If the right players are available, then we should spend. A strong middle midfield general would be first on my shopping list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 I think it's important not to waste money in January. If the right players are available, then we should spend. A strong middle midfield general would be first on my shopping list. Swap Wanyama for Dembele, job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 This year, we have fallen behind the teams around and even below us. Cedric is decent, but at the moment he is like year one Clyne with lapses of concentration undermining his good qualities. That season JWP and Davis were deployed to help Clyne out. Maybe we need to do more of that this season. The club has also gone on recotrd to say that Cedric would have been signed in Clyne had extended, so Clyne we are still a right back short in the squad. Clasie has been injured, so it is a bit too early to judge, but he is not Morgan, mind you who is ? Romeou is a decent Cork replacement though. The big difference has been that a number of teams around us have bought players that would walk into our team. Wijnaldum, Shaquri, Delfuou and Cabeye for example. It is no secret that we need more creativity and goals from midfield, and those are four players who could deliver that who have strengthened our rivals instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Yep, and generally not great quotes from the captain of the club. Did I miss the quotes from Kelvin, the Captain of the Club? Actually much of what is written in that article really doesn't make much sense. Probably not Fonte but the editor of the piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 This year, we have fallen behind the teams around and even below us. Cedric is decent, but at the moment he is like year one Clyne with lapses of concentration undermining his good qualities. That season JWP and Davis were deployed to help Clyne out. Maybe we need to do more of that this season. The club has also gone on recotrd to say that Cedric would have been signed in Clyne had extended, so Clyne we are still a right back short in the squad. Clasie has been injured, so it is a bit too early to judge, but he is not Morgan, mind you who is ? Romeou is a decent Cork replacement though. The big difference has been that a number of teams around us have bought players that would walk into our team. Wijnaldum, Shaquri, Delfuou and Cabeye for example. It is no secret that we need more creativity and goals from midfield, and those are four players who could deliver that who have strengthened our rivals instead. Completely agree with this - i know we always sit there in the summer and talk about other teams' great recruitment and quite often in recent times, we end up being happier with our own signings in the end (examples like Norwich with Gary Hooper, loads of others too). But this season is different - Shaquri has really taken Stoke on a level, Deulofeu is on fire, Cabeye has been excellent for Palace and with Wijnaldum, Newcastle would have absolutely no hope of staying up. VVD aside, I'm not any of our other summer signings are being talked about in this way by our rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Agree with the above lets be honest here we have sold quality and have tried to bring in replacements on the cheap we have sold steak and have purchased hamburgers. Let's get that cheque book out and bring in some experience. Me personally I would get in Charlie Austin more firepower which equals more goals and more points also takes the pressure off Pelle and gives the man some competition get it done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Agree with the above lets be honest here we have sold quality and have tried to bring in replacements on the cheap we have sold steak and have purchased hamburgers. Let's get that cheque book out and bring in some experience. Me personally I would get in Charlie Austin more firepower which equals more goals and more points also takes the pressure off Pelle and gives the man some competition get it done! What we're lacking first and foremost is more drive, pace and mobility through midfield, something we severely lack. Neither Clasie or Romeo provide this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Who would you bring in then realistic signings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Who would you bring in then realistic signings.... I don't know but we supposedly have a top class scouting network so identifying a midfielder with these attributes should be doable. Kante at Leicester is a good example of what we are lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 This January transfer window could be more interesting an most. With an expanded European Tournament there may be more players than usual he want first team football to cement places in their respective national teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Things will improve when Fraser is back, he is massive for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Are you saying that no one on here is expecting/wanting the club to "invest"/"push on"/"change philosophy"/"break the glass ceiling" to break into the top six? If so, fair enough. Can't say that's the impression I get from this forum but clearly it's all a strawman made up in my head. Sorry about that. I can confirm that the extent of my ambition for Saints under the existing FFP rules is to compete with the top 6 and it is almost certainly the best we can hope for. Top 4 would be an outlier and a half, as Leicester are about to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 What we're lacking first and foremost is more drive, pace and mobility through midfield, something we severely lack. Neither Clasie or Romeo provide this. No what we are lacking is someone who can finish on a regular basis we are creating chances but we are not putting many away right now. Pelle goes in fits and starts, Mane is not scoring enough probably because he is wide to much, Tadic is more of a creator than scorer, Long will chip in with half dozen a season and the clubs hopes that Jrod would just pick up were he left off hasn't worked out. We need someone who can find the back of the net regularly so that we can actually capitalise on the parts of games when we are on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 No what we are lacking is someone who can finish on a regular basis we are creating chances but we are not putting many away right now. Pelle goes in fits and starts, Mane is not scoring enough probably because he is wide to much, Tadic is more of a creator than scorer, Long will chip in with half dozen a season and the clubs hopes that Jrod would just pick up were he left off hasn't worked out. We need someone who can find the back of the net regularly so that we can actually capitalise on the parts of games when we are on top. You are both right, it's a midfielder who can run in behind, Morgan was doing it at times last season when he played in a more advanced role and even Cork earlier last season. Davis has been more a threat this season but is never going to be prolific. It would create more space for Mane, Tadic and Pelle as well. Sell Wanyama - who is a total deadweight this season - in January to fund a good AMC. Romeu and Clasie can both screen the back 4. Can't see Koeman wanting to do that though having gone on record as saying no major sales in January, even to reinvest and freshen up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Agree with the above lets be honest here we have sold quality and have tried to bring in replacements on the cheap we have sold steak and have purchased hamburgers. Let's get that cheque book out and bring in some experience. Me personally I would get in Charlie Austin more firepower which equals more goals and more points also takes the pressure off Pelle and gives the man some competition get it done! I couldn't agree more. Good shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 We need to spend money but probably we need money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 You are both right, it's a midfielder who can run in behind, Morgan was doing it at times last season when he played in a more advanced role and even Cork earlier last season. Davis has been more a threat this season but is never going to be prolific. It would create more space for Mane, Tadic and Pelle as well. Sell Wanyama - who is a total deadweight this season - in January to fund a good AMC. Romeu and Clasie can both screen the back 4. Can't see Koeman wanting to do that though having gone on record as saying no major sales in January, even to reinvest and freshen up. You do know that Wenger has been advised to buy "World Class" Wanyama don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 We need sir Rickie back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 We need sir Rickie back To do what exactly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 I'm not entirely sure it's a lack of spending money or good squad (actually great back up players - but then what great players would want to be back up at Saints? Debate for another day!) that is our most pressing issue - ironically pressing, or rather lack of it is our issue right now "in mine own opinion" as RK would say! Last season and earlier this one, we chased teams and did not allow them to settle, now we seem happy to sit back and allow them possession in their own half and even beyond. If you look at Liverpool, their improvement has mainly been they are closing opposition teams in their own half and not allowing time to get organised or going. We were the masters of this tactic in the past (particularly under MP) so what has happened to change this approach? Spurs and Man City at times also use this very well, as do Stoke and Leicester. Why have we changed - same players (more or less), same management - have we lost the motivation / drive? Of course it would be great to have more great players, but let's sort out the tactics etc first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 I'd like to see some British talent from lower leagues coming in. Austin perhaps, but definitely Phillips, maybe Afobe, Byram and Solly March. Byram plays mostly in midfield now and doesn't stand out. Out of interest, how many times have you seen March this season and what do you think he would bring attribute wise? I live in Brighton and have seen a couple of live games this season and he is talented but nowhere near PL first team ready at this stage. Far better for him to develop at Brighton for now (plus no reason for them to sell with the PL riches in sight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 True, but I don't think that is annoying Ron. After all, it must have been the committee that signed Tadic, Pelle, Mane and Tadic. That's the problem with committees, when they think they've done something right, they congratulate themselves by doing it all over again. Do you think Tadic got double-bubble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Charlie Austin please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 December, 2015 Share Posted 7 December, 2015 Decent technique, but the problem is, staying at Brighton (or other players staying where they are to develop) means their value gets insane or other clubs come in. Have to take a punt on a few of them I think. Plus, this is a really good place for them to develop, I wouldn't expect them to come here as the finished article. I'd just rather see players like this around the team improving than some of the signings from foreign leagues. Any expansion on 'decent techique' in relation to what Solly March would bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 You can't blame Koeman for showing a bit of frustration, its clear that the starting eleven isn't quite as strong as previous seasons. A decent right back, defensive midfielder and forward would help considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 You can't blame Koeman for showing a bit of frustration, its clear that the starting eleven isn't quite as strong as previous seasons. A decent right back, defensive midfielder and forward would help considerably. But then we should probably have bought those in the summer instead of squandering the money on whatever we squandered it on. We bought Koeman binkies, like Clasie and Martina, if they aren't good enough that's his fault isn't it? It's like last January, we needed a couple of players to try to capitalise on our great start to the season, what did we do, we signed Elia, no doubt another Koeman protégé and that other Serb bloke who wasn't physically up to the PL on loan. Koeman is picking the tranfer targets, that's obvious enough, he should stop moaning about it and get on with the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 You can't blame Koeman for showing a bit of frustration, its clear that the starting eleven isn't quite as strong as previous seasons. A decent right back, defensive midfielder and forward would help considerably. We already had a chance to do this in the summer but we probably didn't do enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 But then we should probably have bought those in the summer instead of squandering the money on whatever we squandered it on. We bought Koeman binkies, like Clasie and Martina, if they aren't good enough that's his fault isn't it? It's like last January, we needed a couple of players to try to capitalise on our great start to the season, what did we do, we signed Elia, no doubt another Koeman protégé and that other Serb bloke who wasn't physically up to the PL on loan. Koeman is picking the tranfer targets, that's obvious enough, he should stop moaning about it and get on with the job. I am not sure what a "binkie" is but assuming he is a favourite you do know that Ron dropped Clasie on Saturday and that Martina has hardly kicked a ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 We already had a chance to do this in the summer but we probably didn't do enough. The summer was the problem. We had unforeseen injuries and European football which probably gave us a squad that we wouldn't have now without those things. But we are where we are and it will be interesting to see what happens in January given the situation as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 I am not sure what a "binkie" is but assuming he is a favourite you do know that Ron dropped Clasie on Saturday and that Martina has hardly kicked a ball? A binkie is a sort of security blanket for children, however in the sporting context it's a player favoured by coachs and managers often against all reason. Never mind that he dropped Clasie and Martina hardly plays, that just illustrates my point, they are not showing the type of form or ability which would justify them being at Saints really are they? Thus the manager bought them against all common sense, ie archetypal "binkies". Clasie is and probably always will be too small for the PL, at least as a DM anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Ah I see! Well I still think that we have yet to see the best of Clasie. Dennis Wise was no giant but he had a perfectly good career. I think Martina was a last minute panic buy who is no loner relevant now we are out of Europe and Bertrand is back. Fortunately he is on a short contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Ah I see! Well I still think that we have yet to see the best of Clasie. Dennis Wise was no giant but he had a perfectly good career. I think Martina was a last minute panic buy who is no loner relevant now we are out of Europe and Bertrand is back. Fortunately he is on a short contract. Dennis Wise, Paul Scholes, Alan Ball. They all played football in another era, when the English games was not peopled by 60 or 70% elite foreign internationals. the game has changed so much that there is no longer any place for the small,weak or wobbly. some of the games we saw of yesteryear would seem like semi-pro league games now. The players weren't fit and many of them weren't even very good. Players were good in their time but they would be decidely mediocre in modern football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 (edited) You seriously think Bally and Scholes wouldn't be good enough today :-)) Wise I might give you. Clasie will be fine, but probably not this season. Is he smaller than the Stoke midget whose name I don't recall. Edited 8 December, 2015 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 The more he remains at Saints, the more I see a comparison to Harry Redknapp's way of dealings in the transfer market. Something doesn't smell right. His latest call to spend has Harry written all over it. Time will prove me correct and till then I have nothing more to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 The more he remains at Saints, the more I see a comparison to Harry Redknapp's way of dealings in the transfer market. Something doesn't smell right. His latest call to spend has Harry written all over it. Time will prove me correct and till then I have nothing more to discuss. Seriously?? We probably do need to spend money but only because we weren't wise with our investments last summer. Then again when you have to replace a top level CB who was only on loan with a player costing 12 or 13 million you probably needed to dip into the reserves a bit more for the rest than we actually did. Given the level of our agents fees for the 12 months to end of September we must have at least one signing who cost us a lot on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 (edited) You seriously think Bally and Scholes wouldn't be good enough today :-)) Wise I might give you. Clasie will be fine, but probably not this season. Is he smsller than the Stoke midget whose name I don't recall. Shaqiri is 5ft 7 ins same height as Clasie. I agree that Wise wasn't in the same class as Ball and Scholes but I still think he could play Premiership football if he was young enough today. Apparently the average height for a male in the is country is 5ft 9 ins so 5ft 7 ins is hardly midget status. Anyone would look like a midget stood alongside Pelle, Fonte and van Dijk! Edited 8 December, 2015 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Dennis Wise, Paul Scholes, Alan Ball. They all played football in another era, when the English games was not peopled by 60 or 70% elite foreign internationals. the game has changed so much that there is no longer any place for the small,weak or wobbly. some of the games we saw of yesteryear would seem like semi-pro league games now. The players weren't fit and many of them weren't even very good. Players were good in their time but they would be decidely mediocre in modern football. Yet apparently despite this, there are probably more diminutive midfielders around than there have been for years. Blame Barcelona... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 I am not sure what a "binkie" is but assuming he is a favourite you do know that Ron dropped Clasie on Saturday and that Martina has hardly kicked a ball? Martina played under Erwin at RKC Waalwijk so he should have known what he was getting. He certainly convinced Les Reed who said 'Cuco is an experienced and versatile defender...and is the perfect solution'. With a 2 year contract reported to be £20K it's not an insignificant outlay either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 They clearly thought that Martina was worth a punt as a back up defender. Perhaps having seen him in training with the squad they now think otherwise, although he has still made the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Shaqiri is 5ft 7 ins same height as Clasie. I agree that Wise wasn't in the same class as Ball and Scholes but I still think he could play Premiership football if he was young enough today. Shaqiri is also about 5ft 7 wide though and built like a brick sharthouse. Players like Joe Allen, Leon Britton, David Silva, Nathan Dyer and Juan Mata are generally doing ok for themselves without being anything like as big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Shaqiri is also about 5ft 7 wide though and built like a brick sharthouse. Players like Joe Allen, Leon Britton, David Silva, Nathan Dyer and Juan Mata are generally doing ok for themselves without being anything like as big. Nathan Dyer is an excellent example. I though he was a mascot when I first saw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Shaqiri is 5ft 7 ins same height as Clasie. I agree that Wise wasn't in the same class as Ball and Scholes but I still think he could play Premiership football if he was young enough today. Apparently the average height for a male in the is country is 5ft 9 ins so 5ft 7 ins is hardly midget status. Anyone would look like a midget stood alongside Pelle, Fonte and van Dijk! Shaqiri and Dyer play in a skill position where a low centre of gravity benefits dribbling. It's a different matter when you're a defensive matter. Again height isn't anything; but high energy levels and the sustained ability to press and close are a must - something that the Barca midgets can do in addition to their superior technique. One of the criticisms of Clasie from the Dutch contingent is not just his size but more importantly his tendency to tire and fade in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 I can confirm that the extent of my ambition for Saints under the existing FFP rules is to compete with the top 6 and it is almost certainly the best we can hope for. Top 4 would be an outlier and a half, as Leicester are about to find out. Really? I can see Leicester holding on. Only an injury to Vardy or Mahrez would set them back massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 8 December, 2015 Share Posted 8 December, 2015 Really? I can see Leicester holding on. Only an injury to Vardy or Mahrez would set them back massively. Or their agents unsettling them by alleged approaches from Bayern/Barca/Spurs/Man Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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