Koeman: "We need to spend money"

[trousers]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14116296.Koeman__realistic__over_Southampton_spending/

 

It’s difficult,” he said of having lost some of his best players. “When I came to the club, I knew already that we would lose some good players.

 

“We lost, after last year, Schneiderlin and Clyne, important players for the team, important positions in the team. Of course, we would like to keep the best players, because that means that we can grow and grow.

 

“If not, we need to spend money, and we don’t spend a lot of money.

 

“After the last transfer window, Southampton was the one team in the Premier League who got money out of the transfer window, that was Southampton. Nobody else, nobody else. Everyone else spent more money than they got in.

 

“I’d like to change that, but I’m realistic, I know the situation of the club.

[Delboy Dave]

Hurrah! Seems he feels the way most of us do

[pluto]

Finally going to replace Morgan and Clyne with quality and not cheap fodder thats failed.

[SuperSAINT]

Similar article from the Guardian:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/dec/01/ronald-koeman-southampton-liverpool-capital-one-cup

[Golden Balls]

Can't see him ever signing a new contract with us if that doesn't change. Rightly so.

[Gemmel]

Finally going to replace Morgan and Clyne with quality and not cheap fodder thats failed.

 

I think you have completely missed the sentiment of Koeman's statement.

 

This is not a positive article in my opinion.

[Sour Mash]

Hurrah! Seems he feels the way most of us do

No "hurrah" really, not the words of the happiest of managers.

[Saint Charlie]

Can see all the comments here:

 

 

Interesting on a number of topics.

[doddisalegend]

“After the last transfer window, Southampton was the one team in the Premier League who got money out of the transfer window, that was Southampton. Nobody else, nobody else. Everyone else spent more money than they got in.

 

Isn't that the pompey recipe for success?

[Graffito]

Can see all the comments here:

 

 

Interesting on a number of topics.

 

Usually affable, Ronald's a bit grumpy there. Seems like he's got the 'ump?

[Coxford_lou]

Wow. That's a really ****ed off and frustrated Koeman. I hope it's just a reaction to the City game and a sign he hates losing, rather than anything deeper. Made me feel a bit sick in the stomach though.

[GarrettIvo]

Finally going to replace Morgan and Clyne with quality and not cheap fodder thats failed.

 

14 games in....

[Dig Dig]

No sign of the situation changing anytime soon. Our financial health of late has been massively dependant upon profit from player sales. I think we've tried to be a bit too cheap and clever with a couple of our signings which is probably why Koeman seems a bit frustrated.

[saints1988]

I actually disagree with Ron here, I believe the club & board have backed up player sales and invested heavily in the squad granted some of those players are not the finished article but we cannot afford that hence when we sell a player that has plenty of experience in the premier league they go for 20m and more. The majority of money brought in has been reinvested apart from a few duds (Martina, Gardos) that money has been well spent on players that when the time comes will be sold once again for 20m+. It's the circle of top flight football. This maybe for me Ron pre empting a reason for not signing a new deal. So for me Rons comments are very wide of the mark.......

[shurlock]

“After the last transfer window, Southampton was the one team in the Premier League who got money out of the transfer window, that was Southampton. Nobody else, nobody else. Everyone else spent more money than they got in.

 

Isn't that the pompey recipe for success?

 

Not really.

 

Koeman is referring only to transfer proceeds. Whether activity is sustainable or not needs to be seen alongside the TV money the club receives and other sources of revenue.

[Pamplemousse]

Reading between the lines, I'd say it's a message to the board: back me in the transfer markets or I quit at the end of my contract.

[MAY-Z]

Seem very poor comments from RK to me, much more like comments I would expect from someone like Harry Redknapp.

 

maybe he would prefer more purchases like Osvaldo just because they are more expensive?

[Mosin]

Seem very poor comments from RK to me, much more like comments I would expect from someone like Harry Redknapp.

 

maybe he would prefer more purchases like Osvaldo just because they are more expensive?

 

He is only saying what Sky sports told us all when the transfer window closed, and he is only stating fact, we are the only club in the league to have sold more than we brought and the only club in the league to spend 0 of its own money on player transfers in the last window.

[Batman]

now, imagine if alpine come out and said we need to spend money. he would have been torn to shreds on here

 

for what it is worth, I totally agree. We have received huge money over the last two summers and come out with a surplus. not even touching the premier league money. To mention that you would have people all over you like a rash on here.

 

but this summer has shown that we have fell short. The right back situation highlights that the best.

But when you look at it, what was the point in Romeu, Martina and maybe Juanmi. We should be buying players who get into our side. not fluff up the squad

[Fan The Flames]

now, imagine if alpine come out and said we need to spend money. he would have been torn to shreds on here

 

for what it is worth, I totally agree. We have received huge money over the last two summers and come out with a surplus. not even touching the premier league money. To mention that you would have people all over you like a rash on here.

 

but this summer has shown that we have fell short. The right back situation highlights that the best.

But when you look at it, what was the point in Romeu, Martina and maybe Juanmi. We should be buying players who get into our side. not fluff up the squad

 

Is it shocking that fans would accept something said by their manager over an internet numpty.

 

The first cracks appear, we can only hope that this tension can have a positive effect.

[Sour Mash]

now, imagine if alpine come out and said we need to spend money. he would have been torn to shreds on here

 

for what it is worth, I totally agree. We have received huge money over the last two summers and come out with a surplus. not even touching the premier league money. To mention that you would have people all over you like a rash on here.

 

but this summer has shown that we have fell short. The right back situation highlights that the best.

But when you look at it, what was the point in Romeu, Martina and maybe Juanmi. We should be buying players who get into our side. not fluff up the squad

 

We have bought players that get into our side. We've also strengthened our squad, which most agreed was needed.

 

And I understand Koeman's frustration, and I think some of our transfer activity not great, but we're balancing debts, a huge investment on the training ground for example. He seemed to think that going forward our approach could change, as the club is growing, which is true.

[Saint Charlie]

Watch the video and the comments are more in context to the questions asked.

 

He doesn't seem ****ed off to me, just realistic.

 

More interesting to me is where he says he isnt a 'project' type Manager and that he needs to win games in the here and now. Quite different from say, Pochettino, who for Saints and Spurs talks endlessly about his philosophy and plan going forwards.

 

Also confirms Caulker is starting tonight.

[doddisalegend]

Reading between the lines, I'd say it's a message to the board: back me in the transfer markets or I quit at the end of my contract.

 

TBF we've bought up half the bloody Eredivisie in the last two summers all those players plus VVD are clearly players Ronald wanted I don't think he can really suggest the board haven't backed him on player transfers.

[Shroppie]

No sign of the situation changing anytime soon. Our financial health of late has been massively dependant upon profit from player sales. I think we've tried to be a bit too cheap and clever with a couple of our signings which is probably why Koeman seems a bit frustrated.

Nail, head. Right back position is probably the main frustration as we've sold two excellent options replacing with one adequate (but improving), one inadequate and a CB playing out of position.

 

Probably putting down a marker for next summer (plus a warning not to let anyone go in Jan) when there will be TV money galore sloshing around. (but also ludicrously inflating prices)

 

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[Badger]

Watch the video and the comments are more in context to the questions asked.

 

He doesn't seem ****ed off to me, just realistic.

 

More interesting to me is where he says he isnt a 'project' type Manager and that he needs to win games in the here and now. Quite different from say, Pochettino, who for Saints and Spurs talks endlessly about his philosophy and plan going forwards.

 

Also confirms Caulker is starting tonight.

 

That philosophy worked out well though didn't it ? Long term plan, but f^ck off at the first opportunity.

 

As for Caulker - that fills me with dread.

[Shroppie]

I hope Caulker starting isn't an indication that Yoshida is RB again.

 

Despite his blunders Saturday, he's a better CB option than Caulker.

 

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[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think RK has just bumped his head on a glass ceiling. I think as a club we are at something of a crossroads, we have done well to get to these particular crossroads but there might not be too much further we can travel unless the philosophy changes and a bigger stadium attracts bigger gates.......if feasible.

[CB Fry]

now, imagine if alpine come out and said we need to spend money. he would have been torn to shreds on here

 

for what it is worth, I totally agree. We have received huge money over the last two summers and come out with a surplus. not even touching the premier league money. To mention that you would have people all over you like a rash on here.

 

Just watched the video and have to say it was pretty much identical to a typical Alpine rant.My favourite bit was when he called the club a tin pot club with no ambition and called Les Reed clueless and useless. Ron later confirmed that Mane was definitely off because we'd been linked in one tabloid to some winger from the Championship.

[70's Mike]

looking for a new manager in June

[doddisalegend]

We have bought players that get into our side. We've also strengthened our squad, which most agreed was needed.

 

And I understand Koeman's frustration, and I think some of our transfer activity not great, but we're balancing debts, a huge investment on the training ground for example. He seemed to think that going forward our approach could change, as the club is growing, which is true.

 

 

Also looking at money outside of the first team how much is the club investing in invasion USA?

[Singapore Saint]

More interesting to me is where he says he isnt a 'project' type Manager and that he needs to win games in the here and now. Quite different from say, Pochettino, who for Saints and Spurs talks endlessly about his philosophy and plan going forwards.

 

'Project' is code for 'don't blame me if we lose the next game'.

[saints1988]

Over the last 5 seasons part from the "big six" we have spent the most on player recruitment. Don't know if we can do more then that without being reckless

[Fan The Flames]

Over the last 5 seasons part from the "big six" we have spent the most on player recruitment. Don't know if we can do more then that without being reckless

 

Pay better wages.

[Saint Charlie]

That philosophy worked out well though didn't it ? Long term plan, but f^ck off at the first opportunity.

 

As for Caulker - that fills me with dread.

Yep. Koeman was basically saying he is just interested in winning now, probably knowing Saints there is only a small amount more thats possible to achieve than what he has done.

 

Makes sense in many ways and is what most Managers do.

[shurlock]

Over the last 5 seasons part from the "big six" we have spent the most on player recruitment. Don't know if we can do more then that without being reckless

 

 

By virtue of the fact that we lost our very best players (though fortunately got excellent prices for them). In that context, its a complete red herring to suggest more couldnt have been done without setting us on the path of financial unsustainablility.

[corky morris]

Why is this in the slightest bit surprising??

We buy for £5-£12m & pay £60k pw. We sell for £20-£35m & players double their salary.

We tell players when they join its a 2-3 year move & then you get to go to one of the big 5 if it works out.

That's the philosophy.

Our blackbox is mirrored by many teams now so we rely on scouts & that.

Indeed RK would have been sold on the same basis. 3 years & you get your move to a bigger club.

I think FF is right though. We are at a crossroads. It will be interesting to see which was we go. BUT I don't want to see the club go into administration again!!

[Turkish]

Why is this in the slightest bit surprising??

We buy for £5-£12m & pay £60k pw. We sell for £20-£35m & players double their salary.

We tell players when they join its a 2-3 year move & then you get to go to one of the big 5 if it works out.

That's the philosophy.

Our blackbox is mirrored by many teams now so we rely on scouts & that.

Indeed RK would have been sold on the same basis. 3 years & you get your move to a bigger club.

I think FF is right though. We are at a crossroads. It will be interesting to see which was we go. BUT I don't want to see the club go into administration again!!

 

We can't compete with the top 5-6 clubs financially it's as simple as that. For a club of our size that policy had to be right. People can go on all they want about the TV deal meaning we've got more money to compete now but guess what, so does everyone else as well. Our aim should be to be an established top 10 club who has a crack at the cups every season who every now and then with a fair wind and a bad year for one of the elite can have a crack at the top 6. If people think that's boring and lacks ambition then they're deluded. We aren't a mega club just a 10,000 expansion away from becoming the man United of the south. We're a middle sized premier league club. If we finish 8th or above this season it'll be a fantastic achievement again. Not many clubs of our size and stature have achieved 3 consecutive top 8 finishes especially whilst losing 7 of our top players along the way. So I don't see us as at a crossroads at all we aren't going to push on into the top 4, we aren't going to spend £40m and£200k a week on single players. What we might get though is the odd season where we do challenge at the top which might convince our better players to stay a bit longer. But the reality is our best players will move on for big money but that's also the reality for all but about 5 clubs in the world.

[Roger]

I don't think the equation is spend more money and go into admin, I think we can spend more but i think as Koeman said we are the only club who had a surplus in the summer. I do think the board and obviously kl doesn't want to really "have a go" and tbh the only way I see her spending a bit more is if we get into trouble in the prem. No problem with that but what I do object to is Ralph and les raising the fans expectations by harping on about champions league being a target! Just no chance on current club philosophy. If they said are aim is to just stay in prem fair enough.

[sandwichsaint]

Yep. Koeman was basically saying he is just interested in winning now, probably knowing Saints there is only a small amount more thats possible to achieve than what he has done.

 

Makes sense in many ways and is what most Managers do.

 

He can start from tonight then, it's a big ask but he'll never have a better chance of a trophy with Saints. We padded out the squad for a Europa campaign and most people think we now have more depth than before (though he/we would always like more) though possibly a slightly weaker starting X1 too.

 

He has probs with Fonte and RB to contend with, beyond that he has a fit and partly rested squad. He needs to conjure decent performances from Wanyama/Bertrand/Mane that reflect their real ability. On our day we play some great stuff and are a match for anybody. He needs to stick to his job which is to pick the right team, call the right tactics, make the right subs.

 

Together as one!

[saints1988]

Pay better wages.

 

Because that's the answer? We paid good wages to Osvaldo and Ramirez turned out to be absolute liability's. You cant just chuck money at players, unless you are going to spend 20m+ on established international players (which we cant do) there is always a risk of them not working out

[egg]

Pay better wages.

 

If only it was that easy. Financial fair play holds us back meaning that even if we had the cash, we can't just chuck massive wages around.

 

As fitzugh fella says we find ourselves at a difficult crossroads as a club and it's understandable that the manager would find that frustrating.

[Batman]

If only it was that easy. Financial fair play holds us back meaning that even if we had the cash, we can't just chuck massive wages around.

 

As fitzugh fella says we find ourselves at a difficult crossroads as a club and it's understandable that the manager would find that frustrating.

 

are we not the 4th lowest paying club in terms of player wages?

is that true?

[Window Cleaner]

Aha, the rift in the lute is not far away.

[egg]

are we not the 4th lowest paying club in terms of player wages?

is that true?

 

Ffp cap wise I'm pretty sure we're above Leicester, Watford, West Brom and Norwich. Unsure about Palace. We've defo been punching above our weight but there's a limit to how we can compete with the big boys.

 

While I agree with you on squad fillers what choice do the club have? We can't fill the squad with top players on top wages as the cap will be breached. We could do a cortese and get a few 'stars' in on mega bucks and supplement them with cheap academy players but a) the stars come with egos (gaston excepted but as much as Ron likes him he needs to get his massive wages off the books to bring players in) and b) the current academy crop aren't good enough. Thus we're stuck with cheap to mid range options - I wouldn't be happy if I were Ron.

[Window Cleaner]

Is he not saying here when speaking of not being a "project" manager "don't p*ss me off with your youth schemes because I'm just not interested in any of that? I think he is and some of us old fools have been telling you all that for a while now.

[doddisalegend]

We can't compete with the top 5-6 clubs financially it's as simple as that. For a club of our size that policy had to be right. People can go on all they want about the TV deal meaning we've got more money to compete now but guess what, so does everyone else as well. Our aim should be to be an established top 10 club who has a crack at the cups every season who every now and then with a fair wind and a bad year for one of the elite can have a crack at the top 6. If people think that's boring and lacks ambition then they're deluded. We aren't a mega club just a 10,000 expansion away from becoming the man United of the south. We're a middle sized premier league club. If we finish 8th or above this season it'll be a fantastic achievement again. Not many clubs of our size and stature have achieved 3 consecutive top 8 finishes especially whilst losing 7 of our top players along the way. So I don't see us as at a crossroads at all we aren't going to push on into the top 4, we aren't going to spend £40m and£200k a week on single players. What we might get though is the odd season where we do challenge at the top which might convince our better players to stay a bit longer. But the reality is our best players will move on for big money but that's also the reality for all but about 5 clubs in the world.

 

 

Very much this.....good post Turks

[Shance]

We can't compete with the top 5-6 clubs financially it's as simple as that. For a club of our size that policy had to be right. People can go on all they want about the TV deal meaning we've got more money to compete now but guess what, so does everyone else as well. Our aim should be to be an established top 10 club who has a crack at the cups every season who every now and then with a fair wind and a bad year for one of the elite can have a crack at the top 6. If people think that's boring and lacks ambition then they're deluded. We aren't a mega club just a 10,000 expansion away from becoming the man United of the south. We're a middle sized premier league club. If we finish 8th or above this season it'll be a fantastic achievement again. Not many clubs of our size and stature have achieved 3 consecutive top 8 finishes especially whilst losing 7 of our top players along the way. So I don't see us as at a crossroads at all we aren't going to push on into the top 4, we aren't going to spend £40m and£200k a week on single players. What we might get though is the odd season where we do challenge at the top which might convince our better players to stay a bit longer. But the reality is our best players will move on for big money but that's also the reality for all but about 5 clubs in the world.

 

Absolutely bang on the money!!

[jayrivers]

We can't compete with the top 5-6 clubs financially it's as simple as that. For a club of our size that policy had to be right. People can go on all they want about the TV deal meaning we've got more money to compete now but guess what, so does everyone else as well. Our aim should be to be an established top 10 club who has a crack at the cups every season who every now and then with a fair wind and a bad year for one of the elite can have a crack at the top 6. If people think that's boring and lacks ambition then they're deluded. We aren't a mega club just a 10,000 expansion away from becoming the man United of the south. We're a middle sized premier league club. If we finish 8th or above this season it'll be a fantastic achievement again. Not many clubs of our size and stature have achieved 3 consecutive top 8 finishes especially whilst losing 7 of our top players along the way. So I don't see us as at a crossroads at all we aren't going to push on into the top 4, we aren't going to spend £40m and£200k a week on single players. What we might get though is the odd season where we do challenge at the top which might convince our better players to stay a bit longer. But the reality is our best players will move on for big money but that's also the reality for all but about 5 clubs in the world.

 

Agree 100% and I'd be pretty happy with that for now, and you never know. On a bad year it might even be a pop at top 4! But we aren't ever going to do that instantly. We had our chance last year and blew it, it will be a while before we do that again. We could probably have done it this year, but our results just haven't been consistent enough.

[shurlock]

We can't compete with the top 5-6 clubs financially it's as simple as that. For a club of our size that policy had to be right. People can go on all they want about the TV deal meaning we've got more money to compete now but guess what, so does everyone else as well. Our aim should be to be an established top 10 club who has a crack at the cups every season who every now and then with a fair wind and a bad year for one of the elite can have a crack at the top 6. If people think that's boring and lacks ambition then they're deluded. We aren't a mega club just a 10,000 expansion away from becoming the man United of the south. We're a middle sized premier league club. If we finish 8th or above this season it'll be a fantastic achievement again. Not many clubs of our size and stature have achieved 3 consecutive top 8 finishes especially whilst losing 7 of our top players along the way. So I don't see us as at a crossroads at all we aren't going to push on into the top 4, we aren't going to spend £40m and£200k a week on single players. What we might get though is the odd season where we do challenge at the top which might convince our better players to stay a bit longer. But the reality is our best players will move on for big money but that's also the reality for all but about 5 clubs in the world.

 

Not sure anyone's claiming otherwise.

[Roger]

We are going to need to spend money as there sure isn't anyone coming through from the u21s.