kitch Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc. Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric? Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc. Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric? Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile. Who can possibly try to guess the real reasons for any of the strange, quirky tricks the manager plays on us with his team selections from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 The little I saw of him, he reminded me a bit of Jermaine Wright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintEllz Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I think that if we weren't in the Europa league we wouldn't of signed him. Although in the two appearances he made against Newcastle and Man UTD he didnt do anything wrong. Strange how he didnt play in the rotated squad game vs MK Dons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintEllz Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Bertrand being injured was also probably a reason why we got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 The Europa League shouldn't have been a reason to sign him. If he isn't deemed good enough for the Premier League then why would he be good enough for the Europa League? Seems like a case of a signing for the sake of it, potentially at the expense of someone like Jack Stephens playing a squad role and almost certain we wouldnt have signed him if Erwin Koeman hadnt managed him before. If they thought Cedric was going to need time to settle they should have got someone better. Only a short time ago we had Clyne and Chambers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Terrible waste of money and nobody understands why he ended up here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 The black-box had malware on the day it suggested him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 (edited) He was clearly signed as cover across the back 4. At the time we only had 2 senior CBs and knew we wouldn't get vvd until end Aug. Bertrsnd was also injured and we only had Cedric to cover RB. Lack of confidence in McCarthy, Stephens and Turnbull meant we went for a cheapo emergency cover. Daft really but probably seemed a good idea at the time. No one foresaw Cedric haing recurring eye problems either, he was brought in as backup to Clyne but knowing that Clyne might still leave which of course is what transpired. Now we seem to be stuck with Cuca who is really not good enough for the PL. Edited 30 November, 2015 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I reckon RK allows erwin one transfer per window. This was erwin's call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I think we signed him due to the various injuries. With Gardos out long-term, Bertrand out short-term, no-cover at RB with a new untried RB coming in and a youngster as cover at LB, it made sense to try and sign a utility player (just should have been a better one). We couldn't have been that convinced, as he only got a 2yr deal - didn't he? Which is strange for the PL at his age and goes against the general policy of improving the squad. He'll end up on loan to a Dutch club next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I think we signed him due to the various injuries. With Gardos out long-term, Bertrand out short-term, no-cover at RB with a new untried RB coming in and a youngster as cover at LB, it made sense to try and sign a utility player (just should have been a better one). We couldn't have been that convinced, as he only got a 2yr deal - didn't he? Which is strange for the PL at his age and goes against the general policy of improving the squad. He'll end up on loan to a Dutch club next season. Or hopefully even sooner...Waste of space, time and money..got to be because Yoshida starts at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 [/b] Or hopefully even sooner...Waste of space, time and money..got to be because Yoshida starts at RB. the real disappointment has to be he has taken bench/playing time away from one of the younger lads we have sent out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 The little I saw of him, he reminded me a bit of Jermaine Wright. More Carlton Palmer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 If he was only intended to be a short term cover, why wasn't he loaned in? Or another loan target looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 More Carlton Palmer to me. haha. carlton palmer is EXACTLY who he looks like, with uncontrollable legs and a tiny torso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 haha. carlton palmer is EXACTLY who he looks like, with uncontrollable legs and a tiny torso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I reckon RK allows erwin one transfer per window. This was erwin's call I agree absolutely, but it doesn't mean that he's a total waste of space, but giving someone a 20 mins. sub app. a few times a season isn't the best way to bring him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I agree absolutely, but it doesn't mean that he's a total waste of space, but giving someone a 20 mins. sub app. a few times a season isn't the best way to bring him on. To be fair, on the few occasions that I've seen him play he didn't seem to do anything particularly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 The black-box had malware on the day it suggested him. Seems we used the zx81 for this one. Beyond bizzare. He really does appear to be a shocker. Second cousin twice removed of Ali Dia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better. Not going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 I'd like to see him and Juanmi loaned out to the Championship in January since they serve little use for us at the moment. With some playing time under their belts, we can judge them a bit better. Koeman was quoted as saying he said no to a number of under 21 player loans because the squad isn't deep enough so I don't think he will loan out those two. Juanmi might get a chance with injuries and suspensions at some stage and then will be up to him to stake a claim on a regular spot. Clearly Martina will get a go when hell freezes over and Doris the tea lady is injured and there is literally no one else to play ....unless a fan brought his football boots in that day in which case Martina can go back to the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 According to Redslo's latest blog using FM16 data Martina is on £20k per week. Result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Complete donkey in Koemans eyes. And mostly everyone else's. Still, $20K per week aint bad if you can get it. Whoever sanctioned that signing should be on a written warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 November, 2015 Share Posted 30 November, 2015 Is he really that bad, that RK would rather play a back-up CB in the full-back role? I know his previous club said we were welcome to him, but on the odd occasions I've been to SMS and seen him, he's looked ok. He's no Clyne, but quick enough, ok on the ball, tracked back etc. Am I missing something? And Cedric's not always picked - is he injury prone or something? Surely RK isn't, playing Yoshi in preference to Cedric? Apologies if it's already going on in another thread, ain't been in here in awhile. Martina was signed on a (relatively) short term deal to cover the back 4 when it consisted of Cedric (injured), Fonte, Yoshida and Targett. Bertrand was out for a further 6 weeks, even McCarthy was injured, Gardos was injured, and Caulker and Van Dijk were still playing for other clubs at the time. Wouldn't be surprised if Cedric was rested on the weekend, though he could also have been left out as a concussion precaution after a LOT of head injuries this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2015 Share Posted 1 December, 2015 Martina was signed on a (relatively) short term deal to cover the back 4 when it consisted of Cedric (injured), Fonte, Yoshida and Targett. Bertrand was out for a further 6 weeks, even McCarthy was injured, Gardos was injured, and Caulker and Van Dijk were still playing for other clubs at the time. Wouldn't be surprised if Cedric was rested on the weekend, though he could also have been left out as a concussion precaution after a LOT of head injuries this season. good analysis, but let's hope we don't have to use him too much all the same....but then again....who knows?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 2 December, 2015 Share Posted 2 December, 2015 Strange signing for me. The few times he has come on he offers no defensive solidity and has no attacking threat. I like the comparison some have made with Jermaine Wright, and I'd add he reminds me of Graham Potter who Souness signed back in the 90's. He looked like he didn't know what to do and so does this fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 2 December, 2015 Share Posted 2 December, 2015 I'm surprised everyone's talking about how bad he is when he's barely kicked a ball for us. Don't get me wrong - the manager obviously sees the players day-in-day out in training and he's clearly seen enough to make up his mind - but people are talking about Martina being terrible and awful and whatnot as if he's been in the starting XI for half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2015 Share Posted 2 December, 2015 (edited) I'm surprised everyone's talking about how bad he is when he's barely kicked a ball for us. Don't get me wrong - the manager obviously sees the players day-in-day out in training and he's clearly seen enough to make up his mind - but people are talking about Martina being terrible and awful and whatnot as if he's been in the starting XI for half a season. Sometimes the proof is not in what you see but in what you don't see. You didn't see Martina starting at RB last Saturday so that means he's not seen as being "as good as" Yoshida, thus you've gotta know that he's not great. Edited 2 December, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 2 December, 2015 Share Posted 2 December, 2015 I thought the whole point of having a transfer committee was to avoid signings like this. It doesn't matter how much he earns, he goes into the same bracket as Gaston and Osvaldo as signings made without being approved or suggested by the scouting teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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