Anyone Else Agree? Spin This Positive

[SoccerMom]

You have to realise SoccerMom that if Saints had won 5-0 there would still be posters on here demanding that we smell the coffee, stop the spin, sack everyone ... its just how it is

 

Fair enough.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I thought the kids tried hard. Trouble is they wouldnt get a 'should try harder' tick on their school reports as the teachers would have recognised that they were playing above their ability.

 

I think you're right.

 

Duncan, you know this club in detail better than most and history is a critical medium for understanding how things can turn out. Do you, like me, think that unless we see a major change top to bottom VERY SOON, this Club is heading for League 2 in 1 1/2 seasons time?

 

Answer? YES

 

Just had a long phone call from Tim in LA where we have resolved our little spat.

 

So a major change is needed. Tim is working on that so I am happy to see what happens, for the time being. Best regards Duncan

[SaintRobbie]

Answer? YES

 

Just had a long phone call from Tim in LA where we have resolved our little spat.

 

So a major change is needed. Tim is working on that so I am happy to see what happens, for the time being. Best regards Duncan

 

Thanks. You have my support.

[Roger]

Duncan I dont know if you know who I am but please can you find someway of contacting me on private message or another way. I want to help. Today was very sad. I have kids telling me it was all the refs fault but it was nice to see utd play. That saddens me when I remember the days when we beat man utd every other season at least. People used to go to watch saints play not just utd. This club is better than this, it has a proud history most of it before lowe got here. Dont settle for this rubbish, we are bigger than that.

Tim I am sorry but I agree with duncan. I hear you phone radio hants every week and I want to puch the radio. You are completely out of touch to what is going on at this club. I used to be the most positive fan ever and thought we could win every game but thigs have changed. As a coach I know postives do work mostly but things are different here. Lowe has ruined us so much that the players arent good enough at all and we need a reality check. I also have stuck up for jan but hearing him moaning about the ref afterwards and saying that it wasnt a sending off make me feel he is out of his depth. Coupled with the fact it was the most one sided game ever. Wake up tim your postive spin is hurting us. Duncan your'e a true fan and I want to help you.

[offix]

Tim, either you smoked something really really good, or you were watching the wrong channel. That doesn't sound at all like the match I was watching (actually, it was not a match, more like a mismatch) :-(

[St Landrew]

Sorry Tim. I have to agree with Duncan. This is a time where people really have to know how far we've settled. The cavern between Saints and a fair amount of a second string Man U was shocking. Gillingham managed a hell of a fight against Aston Villa. Southend did their bit against Chelsea. All lower division opposition against pretty damn good premiership sides. Because despite their limited resources and skills, they had one fight in them for respectability at the very least. And they were from a division lower than Saints. Although it takes little wondering how the teams will pan out at the end of this season.

 

Saying that, when this team is relegated, as they surely will be, if a miracle isn't to happen, our website will tell of a tale of if only's and just missed opportunities. It won't mention the fact that 90% of the supporters knew this was going to happen with well over half the season left. I don't blame Jan Poortvliet; only a complete sh!t would. Even Ferguson recognises the huge uphill task he faces. I blame those presiding over a huge and quick decline, and seemingly doing everything in their power to actually make sure it happens. It really couldn't be orchestrated better.

[Channon's Sideburns]

I blame those presiding over a huge and quick decline, and seemingly doing everything in their power to actually make sure it happens. It really couldn't be orchestrated better.

 

THESE SENTENCES SHOW WHAT IS GOING ON - LOWE AND WILDE DRIVING US INTO ADMINISTRATION WITH THE AIM OF PICKING UP THE CLUB (AND FULL POWER) ON THE CHEAP.

 

There were many on here (including myself) who have thought this since Rupey Baby and Lord Lucan announced their 'big plan'.

 

The argument for 'protecting their investment' is now exposed as a crock of sh!te (as the share price has plummeted further), showing their ineptitude in all matters SFC.

 

I HATE THE B@STARDS

[Snowballs2]

Well you will still find a few of those positives who cannot understand why the majority of us want Lowe and Wilde gone.

We are plummeting to the depths at an alarming rate.

With the significant reduction in the shareprice it begs the question of How much has Lowe done to stabilise the ship and reduce the debt.

For me it appears that the answer is nothing ...so why? It can only be that he and other buddies want Administration ASAP and hope to get the club in total on the cheap.

The most that we can hope for, is, that there will be at least one more group bidding for the club, with perhaps, a little more money than Lowe.

All trust in Lowe to recover the situation has now gone, and at least people can see what a parasite the man is.

If Lowe / Wilde are still here at the end of the season the number of season tickets sold will be slashed

[Channon's Sideburns]

Well you will still find a few of those positives who cannot understand why the majority of us want Lowe and Wilde gone.

We are plummeting to the depths at an alarming rate.

With the significant reduction in the shareprice it begs the question of How much has Lowe done to stabilise the ship and reduce the debt.

For me it appears that the answer is nothing ...so why? It can only be that he and other buddies want Administration ASAP and hope to get the club in total on the cheap.

The most that we can hope for, is, that there will be at least one more group bidding for the club, with perhaps, a little more money than Lowe.

All trust in Lowe to recover the situation has now gone, and at least people can see what a parasite the man is.

If Lowe / Wilde are still here at the end of the season the number of season tickets sold will be slashed

 

Snowy, I think we need a thread or Poll now to see the strength of opinion regarding Lowe and Wilde driving us to Admin for their own ends - what do you think?? Mods??? Please!

 

Along the lines of (let's keep the options limited)

 

* Yes the theiving greedy b@stards are trying to get the club on the cheap;

* No, don't be silly old chap, they're here to develop the most fantastic conveyor belt of talent;

 

* Maybe - but know no longer care.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Duncan I dont know if you know who I am but please can you find someway of contacting me on private message or another way. I want to help. Today was very sad. I have kids telling me it was all the refs fault but it was nice to see utd play. That saddens me when I remember the days when we beat man utd every other season at least. People used to go to watch saints play not just utd. This club is better than this, it has a proud history most of it before lowe got here. Dont settle for this rubbish, we are bigger than that.

Tim I am sorry but I agree with duncan. I hear you phone radio hants every week and I want to puch the radio. You are completely out of touch to what is going on at this club. I used to be the most positive fan ever and thought we could win every game but thigs have changed. As a coach I know postives do work mostly but things are different here. Lowe has ruined us so much that the players arent good enough at all and we need a reality check. I also have stuck up for jan but hearing him moaning about the ref afterwards and saying that it wasnt a sending off make me feel he is out of his depth. Coupled with the fact it was the most one sided game ever. Wake up tim your postive spin is hurting us. Duncan your'e a true fan and I want to help you.

 

Roger - my e mail address is duncan@duncanholley.co.uk

[spyinthesky]

Rupert Lowe bangs on about the success of 'his' Academy and sure the likes of Walcott/Bale/Bridge and co have passed thro earning the club revenue which has all been wasted.

However the latest crop are surely bound for relegation because, frankly, they are not very good.

Look at the likes of Shearer/Maddison/Benali/Dodd/Wallaces/Steve Williams/Widdrington/Banger/Graham Baker/Channon/Nick Holmes and MLT etc etc. Whilst there was a range of talent, all of these players had battling qualities which served them and the club well.

None of them were 'tainted' by Rupert Lowe and his 'vision'

They also all played in the Premiership a much higher level than the Championship.

I was initilially nervous about the capabilities of last years reserves/academy players to survive in this League.

The first few games exceeded my expectations but since October we have rapidly gone downhill, probably because other, experienced, Championship managers can formulate plans to negate our pattern of play whereas our management team appear clueless.

Unless there is a dramatic turnround we will be relegated as bottom club and struggle next season

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Full house - good support.

Team in red and white played admirably.

Team in blue are World Champs.

Team in black were totally p!ss poor.

 

The first goal was offside period-point blank (even though horribly defended)

The second goal was not a peno in a month of blue Sundays and if the abortion of a ref had one tenth of one per cent of a doubt he shouldn't have given it.

The red card - er, yeah it was a red, however, wtf was that pencil-necked, bald-headed tool doing bring the kid over and lecturing him before finally after a frigging eternity showing him the card....let me enlighten you, the worthless excuse for an official is a complete attention whore and wanted a worldwide audience to witness yet another of his controversies....oh and where was the scarlet square when Evans took out our player when he was the last man...oh I forgot it's Mank U and you can't do that.

 

Listen Reid, you 9-karat c**t...United are the World's best team and don't need your considerable help!!

 

Yes they were 3 goals better than us, but they are the best and will do that to higher teams than Saints...however not like that.

 

We were excellent between the boxes, just weak in both penalty areas. KD was awesome, Chris Perry was commanding and there were good showings from many of the kids.

 

Jan is a fine coach, trying to do his best with limited or no resources and a group of children.

 

It's frustrating losing, but I for one admire what Jan/the boys are trying to achieve and feel passionately that I can really get behind this team.

 

So spin it good Jan, make them feel like heroes after this effort.

 

I respect you trying to be positive but "Jan a fine coach".... Come on!!!

That really is stretching positivity to breaking point....

[aintforever]

Jan might be a fine coach, the problem is that the teams we are up again have a manager and a coach.

[70's Mike]

Jan might be a fine coach, the problem is that the teams we are up again have a manager and a coach.

 

 

yet to see any evidence that he is a good coach.

not really seen any improvement in any player this season

[instinct]

Tim I am sorry but I agree with duncan. I hear you phone radio hants every week and I want to puch the radio. You are completely out of touch to what is going on at this club. I used to be the most positive fan ever and thought we could win every game but thigs have changed. As a coach I know postives do work mostly but things are different here. Lowe has ruined us so much that the players arent good enough at all and we need a reality check. I also have stuck up for jan but hearing him moaning about the ref afterwards and saying that it wasnt a sending off make me feel he is out of his depth. Coupled with the fact it was the most one sided game ever. Wake up tim your postive spin is hurting us. Duncan your'e a true fan and I want to help you.

 

This.

 

Jan doesn't have a clue how to manage in the english league.

[Saint Billy]

I am starting to hate Lowe more than I do Pompey. Jeese, we need to do something quick!

[Scudamore]

Well this seems as good a place to put this as anywhere else…

 

Teams who have put Man United out of the FA Cup over previous 22 seasons

 

2008 - 6th Round - Portsmouth (Eventual Winners)

2007 - Final - Chelsea (Eventual Winners)

2006 - 5th Round - Liverpool (Eventual Winners)

2005 - Final - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2004 - Winners

2003 -5th Round - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2002 - 4th Round - Middlesboro

2001 - 4th Round - West Ham

2000 - Didn't enter. Gimps.

1999 - Winners

1998 - 5th Round - Barnsley

1997 - 4th Round - Wimbledon

1996 - Winners

1995 - Final - Everton (Eventual Winners)

1994 - Winners

1993 - 5th Round - Sheff Utd

1992 - 4th Round - Southampton (muahaha!)

1991 - 5th Round - Norwich City

1990 - Winners

1989 - 6th Round - Nottingham Forest

1988 - 5th Round - Arsenal

1987 - 4th Round - Coventry (Eventual Winners)

 

Teams who have put Saints out of the FA Cup over previous 22 seasons

 

2008 - 5th Round - Bristol Rover

2007 - 4th Round - Man City

2006 - 5th Round - Newcastle

2005 - 6th Round - Man Utd (4-0…when we were in the Premier League)

2004 - 3rd Round - Newcastle

2003 - Final - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2002 - 3rd Round - Rotherham

2001 - 5th Round - Tranmere

2000 - 4th Round - Aston Villa

1999 - 3rd Round - Fulham

1998 - 3rd Round - Derby

1997 - 3rd Round - Reading

1996 - QF - Man Utd (Eventual Winners)

1995 - 5th Round - Tottenham

1994 - 3rd Round - Port Vale

1993 - 3rd Round - Nottingham Forest

1992 - 6th Round - Norwich

1991 - 5th Round - Nottingham Forest

1990 - 5th Round - Liverpool

1989 - 3rd Round - Derby

1988 - 4th Round - Luton Town

1987 - 3rd Round - Everton

 

 

Conclusions

- They're good at the FA Cup

- They're good at football

- We're sh:t at the FA Cup

- We're sh:t at football

- They've had one good manager in this time

- We've had one good manager in this time (and fourteen sh:t ones)

- If we had won we'd probably have won the cup

- Scu has way to much time on his hands

[TijuanaTim]

Well this seems as good a place to put this as anywhere else…

 

Teams who have put Man United out of the FA Cup over previous 22 seasons

 

2008 - 6th Round - Portsmouth (Eventual Winners)

2007 - Final - Chelsea (Eventual Winners)

2006 - 5th Round - Liverpool (Eventual Winners)

2005 - Final - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2004 - Winners

2003 -5th Round - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2002 - 4th Round - Middlesboro

2001 - 4th Round - West Ham

2000 - Didn't enter. Gimps.

1999 - Winners

1998 - 5th Round - Barnsley

1997 - 4th Round - Wimbledon

1996 - Winners

1995 - Final - Everton (Eventual Winners)

1994 - Winners

1993 - 5th Round - Sheff Utd

1992 - 4th Round - Southampton (muahaha!)

1991 - 5th Round - Norwich City

1990 - Winners

1989 - 6th Round - Nottingham Forest

1988 - 5th Round - Arsenal

1987 - 4th Round - Coventry (Eventual Winners)

 

Teams who have put Saints out of the FA Cup over previous 22 seasons

 

2008 - 5th Round - Bristol Rover

2007 - 4th Round - Man City

2006 - 5th Round - Newcastle

2005 - 6th Round - Man Utd (4-0…when we were in the Premier League)

2004 - 3rd Round - Newcastle

2003 - Final - Arsenal (Eventual Winners)

2002 - 3rd Round - Rotherham

2001 - 5th Round - Tranmere

2000 - 4th Round - Aston Villa

1999 - 3rd Round - Fulham

1998 - 3rd Round - Derby

1997 - 3rd Round - Reading

1996 - QF - Man Utd (Eventual Winners)

1995 - 5th Round - Tottenham

1994 - 3rd Round - Port Vale

1993 - 3rd Round - Nottingham Forest

1992 - 6th Round - Norwich

1991 - 5th Round - Nottingham Forest

1990 - 5th Round - Liverpool

1989 - 3rd Round - Derby

1988 - 4th Round - Luton Town

1987 - 3rd Round - Everton

 

 

Conclusions

- They're good at the FA Cup

- They're good at football

- We're sh:t at the FA Cup

- We're sh:t at football

- They've had one good manager in this time

- We've had one good manager in this time (and fourteen sh:t ones)

- If we had won we'd probably have won the cup

- Scu has way to much time on his hands

 

Great post, thanks!!

[hypochondriac]

Hey Tim what exactly are you working on? We need some kind of initiative to get behind. I will support and/or help out myself if needed.

[LostBoys]

United never needed to get out of first gear to beat us. I would rather lose to them and be able to blame the ref and linesman even though we only had one real shot at goal instead of being humiliated on TV at Bristol Rovers or Blyth Spartans or and other non league club still in the Cup.

 

In terms of atmosphere the main problem is that trhe Northam End were evicted elsewhere in the ground to accommodate Man U supporters.

[TijuanaTim]

United never needed to get out of first gear to beat us. I would rather lose to them and be able to blame the ref and linesman even though we only had one real shot at goal instead of being humiliated on TV at Bristol Rovers or Blyth Spartans or and other non league club still in the Cup.

 

In terms of atmosphere the main problem is that trhe Northam End were evicted elsewhere in the ground to accommodate Man U supporters.

 

 

Pretty good way to put it, summed up up well.

[TijuanaTim]

Even more positive spin, Utd 3:0 Chelsk....come on and those over-paid prima-donnas didn't get any refereeing help - quite the opposite FFS!!