Bandy Golac Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 On the plus side, I was in the Markus Liebherr suite and got very very drunk - and it cost me nothing. Was the game any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 (edited) A bunch of weird on here with the usuals busting out the whining and going overboard. We were poor, Stoke were slightly better overall and much more effective on the break. We missed Mane and when he came on he showed both how much we missed him AND why he hadn't started. Stoke going forward didn't have more skilful or luxury creative players than we do, but one of ours wasn't starting and that made a big difference. The defensive midfield did fine but we got caned on the break. If anything we needed to be MORE defensive so would have had more bodies between the goal and the breaking players, but that would have meant leaving Clasie out, and he had his best game so far. I'm still at a loss to the other penalty we're meant to have had - saw the Pelle hack when jumping, no idea what the other one was - it sure as hell wasn't for Long chucking himself over when Wollscheid was comfortably in front of him in the box. Lee Mason never gives anything so of course a more physical side would benefit from him reffing - though they were nowhere near as bad as they used to be. His bookings were uneven but penalty aside he had no effect on the result. As usual, Batman's talking cobblers about Pelle, who is both quick and mobile, but like many others didn't have his best game with everyone ponderous and waiting for things to happen. Not even sure what the heat map is meant to show other than that he's involved all over the area you'd expect for a striker and not immobile. Also, Shane Long wasn't the best, but if he scores 7 in a season he's doing alright, in the position he plays and not starting all the time that's a decent return. That many across the midfield when we have about 5 players rotating isn't too bad. JWP was ineffective, Davis was quiet, Bertrand penned back by the counter threat, Tadic didn't do the right things at key moments, Stekelenburg did well, and the defence looked like they needed to be less exposed on the break. Wanyama wasn't involved enough in the defending of Stoke's breaks but he was in the middle of the pitch, while Stoke were effective and threatening in execution up the wings and that was the difference in the two sides. Finally, Cedric needs a headband. That's what, five separate head injuries this season? Edited 23 November, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 I thought we were hung over - well that's how we played. [emoji855] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 I thought we were hung over - well that's how we played. [emoji855] On a miserable cold windy afternoon they simply didn't look like they wanted to be playing. Stoke coped better with the conditions. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 A bunch of weird on here with the usuals busting out the whining and going overboard. We were poor, Stoke were slightly better overall and much more effective on the break. We missed Mane and when he came on he showed both how much we missed him AND why he hadn't started. Stoke going forward didn't have more skilful or luxury creative players than we do, but one of ours wasn't starting and that made a big difference. The defensive midfield did fine but we got caned on the break. If anything we needed to be MORE defensive so would have had more bodies between the goal and the breaking players, but that would have meant leaving Clasie out, and he had his best game so far. I'm still at a loss to the other penalty we're meant to have had - saw the Pelle hack when jumping, no idea what the other one was - it sure as hell wasn't for Long chucking himself over when Wollscheid was comfortably in front of him in the box. Lee Mason never gives anything so of course a more physical side would benefit from him reffing - though they were nowhere near as bad as they used to be. His bookings were uneven but penalty aside he had no effect on the result. As usual, Batman's talking cobblers about Pelle, who is both quick and mobile, but like many others didn't have his best game with everyone ponderous and waiting for things to happen. Not even sure what the heat map is meant to show other than that he's involved all over the area you'd expect for a striker and not immobile. Also, Shane Long wasn't the best, but if he scores 7 in a season he's doing alright, in the position he plays and not starting all the time that's a decent return. That many across the midfield when we have about 5 players rotating isn't too bad. JWP was ineffective, Davis was quiet, Bertrand penned back by the counter threat, Tadic didn't do the right things at key moments, Stekelenburg did well, and the defence looked like they needed to be less exposed on the break. Wanyama wasn't involved enough in the defending of Stoke's breaks but he was in the middle of the pitch, while Stoke were effective and threatening in execution up the wings and that was the difference in the two sides. Finally, Cedric needs a headband. That's what, five separate head injuries this season? I agree with all of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 24 November, 2015 Share Posted 24 November, 2015 The twice I've seen Ramirez on as a sub this season, he has contributed some excellent passes. Quite why he doesn't get on when the team obviously lack any imagination or success as against Stoke, is beyond me. He couldn't have done much worse than the rest anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 24 November, 2015 Share Posted 24 November, 2015 Long's goals scored versus minutes on the pitch for us must be reasonable, especially for a player that isn't playing as an out and out striker. I wanted the answer to this, so found out. Note, this is based on league games only, since the beginning of the 14/15 season (inc Pelle for comparison). Long - 302 mins per goal. Pelle - 247 mins per goal. I've cross-checked this information (i.e. used two independent sites) and there's a slight discrepancy of 3 mins for Long, and 2 mins for Pelle (in their favour), so the information is accurate enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 November, 2015 Share Posted 24 November, 2015 The twice I've seen Ramirez on as a sub this season, he has contributed some excellent passes. Quite why he doesn't get on when the team obviously lack any imagination or success as against Stoke, is beyond me. He couldn't have done much worse than the rest anyway. He didn't get on against Stoke because he wasn't on the bench. He had been missing from the scene completely since the Boscombe game. No idea if he was injured, away on holiday, visiting his old mate Alpine or somehow otherwise engaged. But he was back in training last week, so maybe will be an option against City on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 November, 2015 Share Posted 24 November, 2015 He didn't get on against Stoke because he wasn't on the bench. He had been missing from the scene completely since the Boscombe game. No idea if he was injured, away on holiday, visiting his old mate Alpine or somehow otherwise engaged. But he was back in training last week, so maybe will be an option against City on Saturday. He did actually pickup yet another injury, he's just a pointless waste of wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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