Katalinic Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 thought he was alright today He was typical Wanyama - strong, won most of his midfield battles.......but can't pass a simple ball 10 yards or shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 thought vic had another poor game - slow, bad passing and even bottled tackles. team just not up for it, no urgency at all and where has our pressing game gone. even though we lost I'd hate to be a stoke fan, having to watch that dross every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 We do miss Schneiderlin's mobility though. Neither Wanyama nor Clasie are overly mobile and we are quite easy to counter attack this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 A lacklustre display, not the first time after the international break the team seems to forget how it plays. It looked like Van Dijk was caught out going forward, left a gap in the defence which Stoke overloaded from our right and scored. Clasie looked very good, IMO a poor decision to replace him. Pelle played far too statically and was easily marked. We were poor at winning the breaking ball and our passing was below standard. Tadic had a lot of the ball but wasted it. Both full backs struggled. Wanyama needs to decide what he is, for me he is a blocker in front of the back four, win it and give it to Clasie. His passing was woeful today. Long showed a lack of intelligence and his touch, positioning and movement was poor. He has to play up the middle or forget it. There was a slow tempo and general lack of movement from the team in general which really slowed down our attacking and Stoke were able to get back. Even when playing Mane, Pelle, Juanmi, Long, Tadic with Wanyama and JWP and three at the back were unbalanced. JWP keeps on about going to the Euros, he is absolutely deluded. Playing backwards and sideways, not a ball winner and can't head, score and lacks pace, just adds to the general slowness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 City away next weekend. Looking to make up for their performance this evening I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 We do miss Schneiderlin's mobility though. Neither Wanyama nor Clasie are overly mobile and we are quite easy to counter attack this season. all round, we are just not as good as last season. to be expected really. still, we are a decent side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Jaded players. Stoke get an early lead and that's all they need. Game over. We are good enough for mid to lower mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Hopefully this doesn't start our traditional run of 3 months of poor winter results. The answer is simple. It happens every year as soon as the brass monkey weather arrives. We need to equip the players with top class " WILLY WARMERS" Easy enough to find although the likes of Graziano will need to have his custom made. Training indoors in a Dome certainly won't toughen up the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 16 shots on goal, only 1 on target. Our shooting is dire! JWP, Davis and Wanyama must be 3 of the worst finishers out of all prem midfielders Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Though those off target came primarily from Tadic, Pelle and Clasie not those you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 (edited) thought vic had another poor game - slow, bad passing and even bottled tackles. team just not up for it, no urgency at all and where has our pressing game gone. even though we lost I'd hate to be a stoke fan, having to watch that dross every week. Stoke played some good stuff and beat us comprehensively on the deck. Can name a number of players who had worse games than Vic - the entire back four for a start. Edited 21 November, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 They played some good stuff and beat us comprehensively on the deck. agree. they have some technically excellent players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 thought vic had another poor game - slow, bad passing and even bottled tackles. team just not up for it, no urgency at all and where has our pressing game gone. even though we lost I'd hate to be a stoke fan, having to watch that dross every week. How was that dross exactly? If we'd played like that and won 1 0 away at Stoke (or anywhere really) would you describe it as dross? They are a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 He was typical Wanyama - strong, won most of his midfield battles.......but can't pass a simple ball 10 yards or shoot. He would never get into Spurs side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BermondseySaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Though those off target came primarily from Tadic, Pelle and Clasie not those you mention. That may have been the case tonight but the whole team has been guilty of it this season and particularly the three I mentioned. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 That first half was a diabolical mess to be honest. No shape, no movement, no cohesion, no passing, nothing. 2nd half was a bit better as we at least gave it a go, but if we're honest it probably should have been at least 2-0 to Stoke, they created the better openings. Credit where it's due, they came and played well. Defended well, were organised and played the perfect away from home counter attacking game. Not really much to be positive about really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 How was that dross exactly? If we'd played like that and won 1 0 away at Stoke (or anywhere really) would you describe it as dross? They are a good team. Agreed. They were sharp in the break and defended well. We lacked the killer pass and finish today. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 That may have been the case tonight but the whole team has been guilty of it this season and particularly the three I mentioned. This is a post match thread. Why point out something that wasn't true today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Maybe I'm the only one who thinks so, but I thought both Pelle and Long did OK. They didn't get great service, and they didn't always know where the other was, but individually they worked hard and made the best of the service they got. The main problem was how slow we were to move the ball forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 over 54 years of support we get at least one game a season like that, i have learned not to over analyse them unless of course they get repeated for a couple more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Maybe I'm the only one who thinks so, but I thought both Pelle and Long did OK. They didn't get great service, and they didn't always know where the other was, but individually they worked hard and made the best of the service they got. The main problem was how slow we were to move the ball forwards. Yes and no. Thought they worked hard to win the first ball but didn't link with each other particularly well. Also, it was clear Butland was going to eat up any floated cross but their movement in the box wasn't good enough to offer other alternatives, except when Pelle got a shot away from a tight angle near the end. But Tadic was particularly guilty of just floating crosses in, or losing the ball with ambitious flicks. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Jaded players. Stoke get an early lead and that's all they need. Game over. We are good enough for mid to lower mid table. How can you be mid mid table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Just arrived home after another 180 miles. We were total rubbish. The worst was Tadic. How many crosses failed to beat the first man? How many corners went straight to Butland? He was terrible. He should gave squared the ball to Long in the first half. At least Long was determined. Cedric's crossing was abysmal too. Davis was our best player & he would get a 6 out of 10 at best. Wanyama was rubbish, Bertrand on another planet, Fonte all over the place, Pelle touched the ball about 5 times. That said what has Pelle got to do to get a free kick? How is JWP booked & Adam for studs up, Bojan for elbow & Arnoutovic fir blatant blocking not booked? Mason is appalling. He was completely inconsistent favouring Stoke at every opportunity. We didn't lose because of him, we were total poo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 How can you be mid mid table? Taking a Dalek post seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Wanyama has been awful without Schneiderlin by his side..... What are you expecting of him that he hasn't done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 That was dire and we got exactly what we deserved, which was nothing. Nobody to blame but ourselves, not even the referee. We started without any spark and never really got going. At least I'm back home and in the warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Just arrived home after another 180 miles. We were total rubbish. The worst was Tadic. How many crosses failed to beat the first man? How many corners went straight to Butland? He was terrible. He should gave squared the ball to Long in the first half. At least Long was determined. Cedric's crossing was abysmal too. Davis was our best player & he would get a 6 out of 10 at best. Wanyama was rubbish, Bertrand on another planet, Fonte all over the place, Pelle touched the ball about 5 times. That said what has Pelle got to do to get a free kick? How is JWP booked & Adam for studs up, Bojan for elbow & Arnoutovic fir blatant blocking not booked? Mason is appalling. He was completely inconsistent favouring Stoke at every opportunity. We didn't lose because of him, we were total poo!! This about sums it up. I would give MoM to Stek though, just on the basis that no outfield players deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Poor as Saints were I think Stoke aren't being given enough credit here. Think back, they had several chances and if they could finish they'd have beaten us by more, and would have deserved it. What I didn't like was how they were into Pelle's back every time the ball was played up to him which totally disrupted the focal point of our attacks. But then its up to the kn@b mason to penalise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Taking a Dalek post seriously It's been a stressful day. Only just noticed it was him who said it, explains it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Just got back 30 minutes ago from a 400 miles round trip.We were rubbish.I won't blame the Ref for our non performance but I will point the finger at him for his total lack of consistency.Stoke are not a good team.We were just s.h.i.t.e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 It's been a stressful day. Only just noticed it was him who said it, explains it all. We just need to concentrate on staying in the league. 40 points should do it, then we can start to relax. Anything in the cups will be a bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 We just need to concentrate on staying in the league. 40 points should do it, then we can start to relax. Anything in the cups will be a bonus I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 over 54 years of support we get at least one game a season like that, i have learned not to over analyse them unless of course they get repeated for a couple more games. Quite. Turned on at 7.09 am to watch, missed their goal and knew that was going to be the result. You get a game or two like this every season - flat for no reason. I'm not over-analysing it. We are a good team capable of beating anyone on our day. If you think we can't finish, look at Arsenal today...should have won by four or five goals and managed to lose. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 We just need to concentrate on staying in the league. 40 points should do it, then we can start to relax. Anything in the cups will be a bonus Aim at 17th, and bring back hoddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 The only player in the whole side to emerge with any credit was Stekelenburg. He made a couple of good saves and did nothing wrong. The rest were, unfortunately complete crap. Boring is not a word I'd normally associate with Saints, but I will today. Never created anything, never looked like creating anything, poor crossing, poor passing, just one of those games. Give Stoke credit, they played well, worked hard as a team, and stopped us finding space in behind them. Always more likely that they would get a second than we would equalize. Most disappointing thing was our subs did nothing. Me, like everybody else was desperate to see Mane, and he was .....poor, just like everyone else. Don't see the point of Clasie for JWP, like for like, and unlike some, I thought Clasie was nothing special either. Our midfield is severely lacking creativity. Tadic couldn't cross the road today, and found a Stoke player every time. Other than him, we had no creation at all. Poor today. That's it really. Pelle was bullied and harried and didn't look up for it. You know Stoke will do this, it isn't a surprise is it? They wasted time at every opportunity, but hey ho, if you are winning, why wouldn't you? Makes me laugh when our fans howl with derision at their antics, it may not be pretty, but it gets results - that is what it is about! Having read RK's after match comments, if he thought the first half was poor, but the second was better then he was at a different game to me! I know he stands up for his team, but both halves were terrible. We all know we are better than this. I think Stoke and ourselves will both finish very close together - top half, but not top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 (edited) Like night follows day Following EVERY international break we are sh**it*e Get Mane' his own private jet FFS! And get Lee Mason some decent glasses....he's so anti Saints he is starting to reach Clattenburg levels . Edited 22 November, 2015 by musesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 A good friend of mine, who is known to post on here, got married on 11/10/80, which was the last time Stoke won here. Today, he was abroad at his daughter's wedding. Spooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 How can you be mid mid table? 10.5th place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 (edited) thought he was alright today I thought he was one of our worst players. As mentioned above, he was bottling tackles, particularly against Walters when challenging for long balls/goal kicks. And he wasn't keeping up with the game at all for long spells in the first half - it was frenetic at points, admittedly, but he just looked like he was being lazy (imo). If he's going to be our enforcer, he *has* to be consistently physical, because he contributes little else. P.S Thought Clasie was our best player. Made some inventive passes. P.P.S I don't think Long got into the box enough today (for crosses). If he's starting on that right, he needs to be coming in at the back post 9 times out of 10. I didn't feel like he did that much at all today. Edited 21 November, 2015 by Donatello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 I'm sorry but long was woeful and didn't even work hard which he's supposed to. Waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 I'm sorry but long was woeful and didn't even work hard which he's supposed to. Waste of money. Osvaldo was a waste of money. Long's just overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Oh, and Pelle was a effin' moron for picking up that card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Hadn't appreciated how good that cross from Pieters was before watching on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Rubbish all around. No spark from us, nothing. First shot on target a soft one by a sub on 70 minutes, and we were at home. Wanyama needs to go in January - our choice this time, don't need him around to destabilise us in another window, and he can practice his passing and shooting with some other mugs. Cedric way too narrow for their goal and his performance went downhill from there. Should have been hoiked off at half time. Other than that, I am looking at Koeman as the set up was all wrong, and didn't change all game. Nailed on penalty for the chop on Pelle so despite all the above, the worst performance of the day award has to go to Mason. Not giving that penalty was so bad it's borderline standing down material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Thought their cross was partly blocked which took the pace off it and dropped it nicely for the scorer . Their back four were totally solid all game which made our reliance on endless crosses frustrating , at least Mane looked like he was trying to change that when he came on but final ball not quite good enough. If Stoke weren't so 'dirty' they would be seen in a better light ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Bloody awful game. The thing that ****es me off is everyone and their granny knows Stoke play counter attack these days. Given that It was likely we would have a lot of the ball but our passing needed to be on top form to wear down the Stoke defensive wall and pull them out of position with good quick one touch football instead it was awful and every time our passing broke down Stoke counter attacked with pace. That also begs the question why we were committing so many players forward so early in the game both VVD and Betrand were out of position for their goal and couldn't recover fast enough. Once we went a goal behind, and so early, we played right into Stokes hands we should have been more disciplined first half. Stoke had the best chances late in the second half to but that was partly through us pushing for an equalizer and leaving us open at the back. You can see why they've only scored 11 goals this season though as their finishing was pretty bad (granted not as bad as ours yesterday). Claise is about the only player who came out within any credit for me yesterday. It was like watching a bunch of strangers out their yesterday passing was awful and player communication was non-existent. So many players making poor decisions yesterday to passing when shooting was better, shooting when someone else was open passing to the team mate under pressure when someone else was in an acre of space the whole match we were just poor. Special mention for Tadic's set pieces which were dire I don't think there was one which didn't go straight down Butland's throat yesterday. All in all we were ****e and Stoke set out their stall and played it well. On to face the Man city backlash next week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 We always seem to struggle after international breaks, that is why i said a draw would be a good result on the pre-match thread. Stoke are a good side and I think many underestimated them. It was a poor performance, just one of those days. Still, no need for a meltdown, our form was good before this so it's likely to dip, and i can't see that changing against City next week. We should really have one eye on the Liverpool game now. Draw a blue line under this and move on. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 No point moaning about the penalty decisions not given. After Pelle got kicked, the ball fell to a Saints player anyway and we still couldn't do anything with it. Although I do think Hughes' comments that we were getting desperate and going down looking for penalties was a little disingenuous really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Put your money where your mouth is or quit *****ing. What bet is this you want to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Telling that no-one took up my bet that we wouldn't finish as high, or with as many points as the last couple of seasons. Meh, never mind. No danger of relegation I guess. LOL Nostradamus no one would take your bet that we wouldn't finish as high as our best ever two PL finishes ........I'm shocked. What's your next amazing prediction/bet? How about Shane Long won't win the Golden boot or Martina won't make the PL team of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 No point moaning about the penalty decisions not given. After Pelle got kicked, the ball fell to a Saints player anyway and we still couldn't do anything with it. Although I do think Hughes' comments that we were getting desperate and going down looking for penalties was a little disingenuous really. yeah because he was also fouled in the penalty box making it two possible penalties in 30 seconds. Not that it matters we can't play that badly and expect any kind of result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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