PhilippineSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 They're not expecting us to sing it but well done. Al,though I wouldn't know an IOW accent if it bit me on the arse There are four distinct IOW Accents East is Pompey West is New forest North Central is Southampton South Central is French and biting you on the arse is considered foreplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 It does seem somewhat unfair that the victims of so many tragedies across the world are not to be remembered. For myself singing ABIDE ME ME would be far more appropriate than just the Marseillaise. This has to be a case where Liverpool fans have the most appropriate anthem to cover all tragedies with "You'll Never Walk Alone." Out there, there has to be an anthem to unify and show support for all tragedies, no matter race, country or creed. All you need is love is that anthem. It even starts with La Marseillaise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 (edited) All you need is love is that anthem. It even starts with La Marseillaise. Good comment Vectis, but I fear that the tail-end of that particular composition might detract from the meaningful reverence of the occasion in the first place. Have to say that anyone who hadn't seen " You'll never walk alone " in the Hollywood musical version might be forgiven for thinking it came from a hymn book, .........whereas the words to " Abide with me "...actually did. Edited 21 November, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 The difference in the Paris attack is that it's an attack on the western lifestyle, our lifestyle, so it is entirely appropriate to demonstrate that we stand with them. No it isn't. What does that even mean? Pretty **** effort if killing 120 people is supposed to bring the downfall of western civilisation. It is part of a recruitment drive perpetrated by brainwashed morons but orchestrated by people concerned with their power bases in the middle east. It is supposed to provoke a reaction. Every right thinking person knows it is wrong and sympathises with all victims of this sort of thing. What is certainly not needed is a festival of grief that actually smacks more of fear than anything else IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 What better way to defeat a bunch of fanatical jingoistic nationalists who no one understands, than to listen to a jingoistic nationalist battle hymn, the words to which, none of the 32000 attendees understands? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 All you need is love is that anthem. It even starts with La Marseillaise. Hows about IMAGINE combined with ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE Imagine there's no heaven ...All you need is love It's easy if you try....All you need is love No hell below us......All you need is love Above us only sky.....All you need is love Imagine all the people....All you need is love Living for today... LOVE, Love Love. Imagine there's no countries...All you need is love It isn't hard to do....All you need is love Nothing to kill or die for.......All you need is love And no religion too....All you need is love Imagine all the people......All you need is love Living life in peace...Love, Love Love....All you need is love You may say I'm a dreamer... Love. Love. Love But I'm not the only one.....All you need is love I hope someday you'll join us.......All you need is love And the world will be as one. Love, Love, Love...All you need is love Have to have a word with Yoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Anyone know what the smoke & burning smell was all about in the Northam about 15-20 mins after the song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Anyone know what the smoke & burning smell was all about in the Northam about 15-20 mins after the song? A flare from the stoke fans. Not a terrorist attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 No it isn't. What does that even mean? Pretty **** effort if killing 120 people is supposed to bring the downfall of western civilisation. It is part of a recruitment drive perpetrated by brainwashed morons but orchestrated by people concerned with their power bases in the middle east. It is supposed to provoke a reaction. Every right thinking person knows it is wrong and sympathises with all victims of this sort of thing. What is certainly not needed is a festival of grief that actually smacks more of fear than anything else IMO. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Let's face it you are not saddened at all Aren't I? The difference in the Paris attack is that it's an attack on the western lifestyle, our lifestyle, so it is entirely appropriate to demonstrate that we stand with them. Ah, so any non-Western lifestyle is inferior/different and not worthy of showing we stand with them!!! Great. Hatch's picture in #119 sums it pretty succinctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Ah, so any non-Western lifestyle is inferior/different and not worthy of showing we stand with them!!! Great. Are you saying that the, say, North Korean lifestyle or the Cambodian life style or, more pertinently, the Islamic State Caliphate lifestyle is not inferior to the French lifestyle? Which one of those would you move to tomorrow? You'd be happy for a son or especially a daughter to go and live under a Daesh regime because their lifestyle would not be inferior? I've got two daughters and I want them to grow up in a progressive democracy where they have at least a fighting chance if self sufficiency, equality and security, culture, freedom of expression and happiness, marrying who they chose living where they chose, reading, writing, doing and going where they chose. They'd get that in France with a French lifestyle, or in the UK of course or other western democracies. They wouldn't get that in other places because other lifestyles are inferior. Inferior as fu ck. Pretty nuts you think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 21 November, 2015 Share Posted 21 November, 2015 Aren't I? Ah, so any non-Western lifestyle is inferior/different and not worthy of showing we stand with them!!! Great. Hatch's picture in #119 sums it pretty succinctly. I didn't say inferior...you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Aren't I? Ah, so any non-Western lifestyle is inferior/different and not worthy of showing we stand with them!!! Great. Hatch's picture in #119 sums it pretty succinctly. I certainly think it's more relatable considering it is basically our own lifestyle and France are our neighbours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 (edited) I certainly think it's more relatable considering it is basically our own lifestyle and France are our neighbours. Sure, so let's just ignore those others because they have a different lifestyle and aren't part of Western Europe. I didn't say inferior...you did. No, hence why I also put in "different". I was sort of trying to figure out why, for example, the day before the Paris shootings that the 43 killed in "Paris of the East" don't elicit the same reaction. Are you saying that the, say, North Korean lifestyle or the Cambodian life style or, more pertinently, the Islamic State Caliphate lifestyle is not inferior to the French lifestyle? Which one of those would you move to tomorrow? You'd be happy for a son or especially a daughter to go and live under a Daesh regime because their lifestyle would not be inferior? I've got two daughters and I want them to grow up in a progressive democracy where they have at least a fighting chance if self sufficiency, equality and security, culture, freedom of expression and happiness, marrying who they chose living where they chose, reading, writing, doing and going where they chose. They'd get that in France with a French lifestyle, or in the UK of course or other western democracies. They wouldn't get that in other places because other lifestyles are inferior. Inferior as fu ck. Pretty nuts you think otherwise. I am not sure how you would judge one life style to be superior to any other, except taking your own values to be better than others. I would personally share those when it comes to ISIS, although they aren't a country but an ideological terrorist group, and you are taking an extreme. Not sure what you have against Cambodia. And you seem to be confusing the people of these countries and their lifestyle with the leaders and their political regime that imposes it upon them. Those that live in a dictatorship are still worthy (at least in my eyes) of our sympathy and solidarity when terrorists attack. But hey, this is a footie forum not a politics one. . Edited 22 November, 2015 by angelman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 (edited) Sure, so let's just ignore those others because they have a different lifestyle and aren't part of Western Europe. No, hence why I also put in "different". I was sort of trying to figure out why, for example, the day before the Paris shootings that the 43 killed in "Paris of the East" don't elicit the same reaction. I am not sure how you would judge one life style to be superior to any other, except taking your own values to be better than others. I would personally share those when it comes to ISIS, although they aren't a country but an ideological terrorist group, and you are taking an extreme. Not sure what you have against Cambodia. And you seem to be confusing the people of these countries and their lifestyle with the leaders and their political regime that imposes it upon them. Those that live in a dictatorship are still worthy (at least in my eyes) of our sympathy and solidarity when terrorists attack. But hey, this is a footie forum not a politics one. . I'm not confusing anything. A country/nation's lifestyle is its lifestyle, it comes about through leadership - that'd how the French lifestyle, the British lifestyle exists. There are non-western lifestyles are clearly inferior to western ones. I see you avoided my question. I'd "judge" a lifestyle based on how they treat their old, their sick, their weak, their minorities, how they treat freedom of expression, their life choices, their freedom of movement. I'm a big believer in equality and freedom of expression, that's why I value the French/western lifestyle. That's my "own values". You think a homophbic, woman-hating, high-censorship, low freedom lifestyle have values that are no better than my own values? You think a lifestyle where adulterous women get stoned has values is no better than a French/ Western lifestyle? You sure about that? I mean, sorry for be so awfully judgemental and that. I think they are have values not as good as our Western ones. Pretty weird that you'd disagree. Edited 22 November, 2015 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Angelman owning CB Fry there. Great stuff. I'd move to Cambodia tomorrow. Lovely people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Angelman owning CB Fry there. Great stuff. I'd move to Cambodia tomorrow. Lovely people. Or completely the other way round. Each to their own eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Mark Ogden in The Telegraph calling it 'ridiculous' - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/12007262/Premier-Leagues-La-Marseillaise-tribute-is-ridiculous-why-wasnt-Russian-anthem-played-when-plane-brought-down.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 It was ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 It was faintly embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 November, 2015 Share Posted 22 November, 2015 Quite glad i was late to the ground, heard it from outside. Shared that article on facebook...waiting for the backlash from people who haven't actually thought about it at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Hamilton played their match against Aberdeen this weekend in France's official kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Tibet mentioned above , I thought the empire was clear of that one but it turns out we managed to kill 30 000 Tibetans when we invaded Tibet to 'protect' it from Russian influence back in the 1800s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Tibet mentioned above , I thought the empire was clear of that one but it turns out we managed to kill 30 000 Tibetans when we invaded Tibet to 'protect' it from Russian influence back in the 1800s. I Think he was just the 'uneducated' taking the ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Just heard Matthew Syed on talkshyte and he did an article in The Times about the "competitive grieving" that exists in society now. He said that all this mawkishness began with the death of Diana and has got progressively worse and people were too frightened about being considered unsympathetic. He made a further good point about the league and clubs providing a response that cost them nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Just heard Matthew Syed on talkshyte and he did an article in The Times about the "competitive grieving" that exists in society now. He said that all this mawkishness began with the death of Diana and has got progressively worse and people were too frightened about being considered unsympathetic. He made a further good point about the league and clubs providing a response that cost them nothing. He is not wrong, it's all got horrendously over the top. Everything is a drama to be played out and capitalised upon if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Just heard Matthew Syed on talkshyte and he did an article in The Times about the "competitive grieving" that exists in society now. He said that all this mawkishness began with the death of Diana and has got progressively worse and people were too frightened about being considered unsympathetic. He made a further good point about the league and clubs providing a response that cost them nothing. Judging by responses on here no one is too frightened. Syed is a spiky old fellow these days. #weloveyouDiana #QueenOfHearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 I Think he was just the 'uneducated' taking the ****. Ahh Mr Thickee contributes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Well I thought it was pretty good. Just a quick anthem, players linked, French flag on the screen and some respectful applause for our neighbours by the fans. No bother at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 What a bunch of absolute wet fannies we have on here, upset about the French national anthem being played. Not in my name son, faakin French anfem? faakin disgustin' innit.Morons. Go and enjoy the game and if you don't enjoy others showing respect that's up to you, but moaning about others showing respect is weird. Fairly sure the complaints are about someone else feigning respect for political and financial gain, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 My generic reply from Saints :-In the words of Richard Scudamore, Premier League Executive Chairman, “Given how close we are as well as the long-standing relationship that exists between the Premier League and France, playing La Marseillaise as an act of solidarity and remembrance is the right thing to do.*“We were all saddened and deeply shocked by the events in Paris last Friday, and the fact it was an attack on people enjoying their everyday freedoms like going to a bar, a concert or a football match resonates with football fans and the general public throughout the UK.” The long-standing relationship of, erm, having some people from there play and manage in the League and absolutely nothing else any more significant that any other nation. So literally no "relationship" of note, and no justification. The bit about "an attack on football" is far more relevant, but given that the west "won" those bombings 3-1 (speaking of crass ) it's the other attacks which are actually the link with French solidarity and they have nothing to do with football at all. So, anyway it happened, and of course it was posturing. I was in the concourse washing my hands of it, as previously decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Just heard Matthew Syed on talkshyte and he did an article in The Times about the "competitive grieving" that exists in society now. He said that all this mawkishness began with the death of Diana and has got progressively worse and people were too frightened about being considered unsympathetic. He made a further good point about the league and clubs providing a response that cost them nothing. I pretty much agree with him, but then he's on TalkShoite who thrive of controversy, so I doubt he actually thinks that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 Hamilton played their match against Aberdeen this weekend in France's official kit. That was a nice touch, not over the top, overtly political or crass - and coming about as it did organically from a discussion about both Hamilton's normal kits clashing with Aberdeen's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 23 November, 2015 Share Posted 23 November, 2015 I pretty much agree with him, but then he's on TalkShoite who thrive of controversy, so I doubt he actually thinks that. I think you've missed the part where I wrote "he did an article in The Times". That was the reason H & J rang him up to discuss his article. He is not a presenter on talkshyte. He was asked about the article what he had wrote, which he would appear to "actually think" and I, you and several others actually agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 November, 2015 Share Posted 24 November, 2015 I think you've missed the part where I wrote "he did an article in The Times". That was the reason H & J rang him up to discuss his article. He is not a presenter on talkshyte. He was asked about the article what he had wrote, which he would appear to "actually think" and I, you and several others actually agree with him. Ah right, just assumed he was a presenter. Well, well done to him for having some degree of rationality in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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