simo Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What are people's thoughts on this? I think its wrong considering we never played the Kenyan one after the attacks there and we have their Captain playing for us , Where do you stop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1576 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Wouldn't a minutes silence be more appropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What happened is bad but this is getting silly now. Minutes silence is the thing to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What happened is bad but this is getting silly now. Minutes silence is the thing to do Agreed. All getting a bit silly and it loses the impact. It was done at Wembley now move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Sport should not be politicised in this way. It was one thing to join together at the International the other night but they always play the anthems then anyway. As has been pointed out, this hasn't happened when atrocities have been carried out before. If people want to wave the tricolour and sing the anthem themselves during the match, that is down to them. Agreed that a minutes silence would be more appropriate if anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Sport should not be politicised in this way. It was one thing to join together at the International the other night but they always play the anthems then anyway. As has been pointed out, this hasn't happened when atrocities have been carried out before. If people want to wave the tricolour and sing the anthem themselves during the match, that is down to them. Agreed that a minutes silence would be more appropriate if anything at all. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Completely unnecessary. There's been a very public Anglo-French football-based expression of support, anyone who wants to will have already done at least one minute's silence and probably two, and the anthem stuff is just... not needed. This is purely the Premier League trying to make sure everyone knows they're a caring organisation and probably trying to ensure no-one compares them unfavourably to the FA, and frankly it's an embarrassing piece of politicking by the Premier League. Unfortunately there's no public way of dumping on this without it looking like you're dumping on France or seeming insensitive, so there are unlikely to be any "We've Already Done This And There's No Need To Do It Again" banners... I'll be in the concourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What are people's thoughts on this? I think its wrong considering we never played the Kenyan one after the attacks there and we have their Captain playing for us , Where do you stop ? I'm not sure that its wrong but its definitely selective and inconsistent. A minute's silence is respectful but yet gain, selective solidarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What happened is bad but this is getting silly now. Minutes silence is the thing to do As was done on Monday in my office and on Tuesday at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Disagree with the idea. It was right for Wembley. How about we have the Russian anthem for the plane in Sinai, the Kenyan, the Palestinian (if they have one), Lebanon? Think we're doing a minutes silence as well. Getting to the stage where it would be good to go to a game without any such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkou Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Can only agree with all the comments above. We seem to have ended up in a situation where people, and football clubs in this case, seem to be trying to outdo each other in their tributes. And what is even worse is the self satisfied back slapping about it all. Isn´t football great because of the wembley tributes, aren´t i caring because i changed my facebook status to a tricolour or used the je suis charlie hastag etc etc.. It is not that these tributes are no appropriate. Certainly the wembley one was the right thing to do, but it is supposed to be a somber reflection of a horrific event, not a chance to feel all good inside because you took part in a tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Not sure how you can be for a minute's silence but against the French anthem being played (as some are doing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Absolutely ridiculous and not something I want to be a part of at all. Let's play the Yemeni anthem, the Russian anthem, the Nigerian anthem, the Malian anthem, the Kenyan anthem, the Chinese anthem, the Somali anthem, the Ukrainian anthem, the Indian anthem, the US anthem, the Australian anthem, the Central African Republic anthem, the DRC anthem etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I've emailed the club with my views will let you know their reply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I've emailed the club with my views will let you know their reply! This isn't a Saints initiative, it's being put forward by the Premier League authorities, they may not have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I thought it was a tad OTT surrounding the game the other night but this is too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 We could always wear the French national kit too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What are people's thoughts on this? I think its wrong considering we never played the Kenyan one after the attacks there and we have their Captain playing for us , Where do you stop ? Where did you read this? Can't see anything from the club on it. Also, who gives a ****. It's only a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Where did you read this? Can't see anything from the club on it. Also, who gives a ****. It's only a song. http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14043678.Plans_to_play_French_national_anthem_at_St_Mary_s/?ref=fbpg Reading the thread its obvious every one gives a shut ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 So nothing confirmed just the standard precious forum response. OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Also, who gives a ****. It's only a song. Everyone else in the thread apart from you, it seems. And it's not "only a song", it's a national anthem which has a lot more symbolism, especially at the moment, and should be kept for appropriate reasons. It's a Premier League initiative, it's been reported in numerous places that "The idea was discussed at a meeting of club officials on Wednesday and a decision was expected later on Thursday.". I'm hoping the decision is "we won't do it". Nothing on PremierLeague.com yet, so presumably the decision hasn't yet been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 So nothing confirmed just the standard precious forum response. OK then. The suggestion has been discussed, we're just getting our opinions in before the decision is made. As everyone so far has said it's a bad idea, I'm hoping that's what the decision reflects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 What a strange idea. Just goes to show how messed up the people who run the Premier League are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Surely the reason the French anthem was played at Wembley was because England were playing... FRANCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Have to agree it is getting silly. It was done at Wembley and that was enough. But why just the French national anthem? What about all the other terrorist attacks that happen or do we disregard those because they don't happen in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Surely the reason the French anthem was played at Wembley was because England were playing... FRANCE! This does underline the disjointed thinking at the Premier League just for suggesting it. Hopefully we'll hear nothing else of it and can assume it went on the "who the hell thought of that" pile. But I'm by no means sure logic is involved in this. I could completely understand it in Ligue 1, to show French solidarity under their own anthem at the first public gatherings since. But not in the UK, it'll just look crass now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Have to agree it is getting silly. It was done at Wembley and that was enough. But why just the French national anthem? What about all the other terrorist attacks that happen or do we disregard those because they don't happen in Europe? This is the other issue - which is a similar one to the "minute's silence" thing which I'm glad Saints took control of with All Saints Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Not for me I'm afraid. When will we ever learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 It seems it's official http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34872166 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 So nothing confirmed just the standard precious forum response. OK then. How DARE people discuss and debate on a forum! You would never had had the same back in the forums of old Rome for example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I'm not quite sure what the expect us fans to do are we supposed sing it (because I sure as hell don't know the words) are stand in respectful silence while it blares out on the tannoy system? Much better to have a minutes silence dedicated to all those killed in terror attacks around the world IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I like the idea. Very symbolic, and shows the terrorists that we won't be intimidated by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I like the idea. Very symbolic, and shows the terrorists that we won't be intimidated by them. This. The rest of you, as I said earlier, and numerous times, easily offended/upset/outraged moist-fannys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Really don't think it will make any difference to the terrorists, what a joke could be total embarrassment best leave it alone now .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2015 This. The rest of you, as I said earlier, and numerous times, easily offended/upset/outraged moist-fannys. That or we have principles and believe that no one country who has been attacked should be given a higher standing above others especially when we actually have players from countries affected by terrorism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I like the idea. Very symbolic, and shows the terrorists that we won't be intimidated by them. It's two-fingers up to ISIL so that's good enough reason for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Not sure how you can be for a minute's silence but against the French anthem being played (as some are doing). A minute's silence is an appropriate means of remembrance. They played the French national anthem at Wembley on Tuesday because, I don't know if you remember, WE WERE PLAYING FRANCE. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have played it - and suggested people sing along - had we been playing Germany this week instead. This smacks of the PL thinking "****, the FA have done something pretty spectacular there, we need to do something different to the usual so we're not perceived to be less compassionate". We're not playing France, we've never even played OUR OWN national anthem at league games before. Why not go the whole hog and move all of this weekend's PL games to Paris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 The good news is that if Southampton gets attacked, they'll be playing OWTS at stadiums all around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 Why not go the whole hog and move all of this weekend's PL games to Paris? Good plan expect before the game, play the Russian national anthem to remember the people killed on that plane. Send it to the Premier League, I reckon there's a 50/50 chance they would run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 It does seem a tad over the top but there are more important things in life to fret about I would venture. C'est la vie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 The thing about it for me is that if i'm stood there listening to the French national anthem it will feel very forced, insincere and just plain out of place. It'll feel uncomfortable rather than respectful because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 (edited) A minute's silence is an appropriate means of remembrance. They played the French national anthem at Wembley on Tuesday because, I don't know if you remember, WE WERE PLAYING FRANCE. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have played it - and suggested people sing along - had we been playing Germany this week instead. This smacks of the PL thinking "****, the FA have done something pretty spectacular there, we need to do something different to the usual so we're not perceived to be less compassionate". We're not playing France, we've never even played OUR OWN national anthem at league games before. Why not go the whole hog and move all of this weekend's PL games to Paris? Depends what tone the PL wants to set -presumably it has consulted French authorities regarding its appropriateness. The anthem has a controversial past and, at times, been sabotaged politically but it stands as a message of unity and defiance in the face of tyranny (originally the Austrians). In that regard, the logic behind playing it makes perfect sense. For me, there's little or no difference between a minute's silence and the anthem. Rather the issue, as others have pointed out, is whether you do either at all. Edited 19 November, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 I like the idea. Very symbolic, and shows the terrorists that we won't be intimidated by them. By carrying on as normal, attending matches and not giving ISIL any more attention seeking stories would also be symbolic and show the terrorists we are not intimidated. We have enough reaction from the government and the FA did a nice show of unity for the sport on Tuesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 It's a bit much now, just dilutes what happened at Wembley on tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 By carrying on as normal, attending matches and not giving ISIL any more attention seeking stories would also be symbolic and show the terrorists we are not intimidated. We have enough reaction from the government and the FA did a nice show of unity for the sport on Tuesday night. Exactly. This shows we (or at least an idiotic institution) are(is) affected. It shows that people will behave weirdly and without any obvious application of rationality as a result of the attacks. Frankly, it makes them look rattled. It will hardly be a show of defiance - it will be people shuffling around uncomfortably waiting for it to finish so we can get on with the match. There might be a few "hon he hons" hummed along, as it's quite a nice tune. I am also livid that my beret, stripy jumper and onions-round-the-neck tribute will be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 It seems it's official http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34872166 Premier League statement here: http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2015-16/nov/191115-premier-league-statement-on-la-marseillaise.html A choral version of "La Marseillaise" will be played after the coin toss, with players from both teams coming together with the official and assistants in the centre circle facing the main stand. There are 72 French players currently in the Premier League, making France the second-most represented nation after England. Still bo11ocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 November, 2015 Share Posted 19 November, 2015 A minute's silence is an appropriate means of remembrance. They played the French national anthem at Wembley on Tuesday because, I don't know if you remember, WE WERE PLAYING FRANCE. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have played it - and suggested people sing along - had we been playing Germany this week instead. This smacks of the PL thinking "****, the FA have done something pretty spectacular there, we need to do something different to the usual so we're not perceived to be less compassionate". We're not playing France, we've never even played OUR OWN national anthem at league games before. Why not go the whole hog and move all of this weekend's PL games to Paris? Don't give those f'ckwitts ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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