Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[Lighthouse]

I apologise.

 

That sounded disrespectful to those killed and that wasn't my intention. I'm just annoyed at reading more comments (not necessarily here) that this is a 'Muslim problem' and what we get for allowing 'them' into our country.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Islam-religion of peace

[Batman]

I apologise.

 

That sounded disrespectful to those killed and that wasn't my intention. I'm just annoyed at reading more comments (not necessarily here) that this is a 'Muslim problem' and what we get for allowing 'them' into our country.

 

because it more than likely is.

It probably was a Muslim and Germany did open the doors like no other country and have a far higher number of incidents

[Sour Mash]

I apologise.

 

That sounded disrespectful to those killed and that wasn't my intention. I'm just annoyed at reading more comments (not necessarily here) that this is a 'Muslim problem' and what we get for allowing 'them' into our country.

 

It is a muslim problem. It is what we get from letting them into our countries. HTH and all that.

[1885]

Paris attacks and Bruxelles have been commited by European citizens.

Shooter in Ankara was Turkish.

So what have been different without letting in refugees...

Plus numbers of refugees going down in every European country.

I'd probably more helpful to stop looking Syria and Jemen being bombed back into the middle ages (with the help of European weapons as well), if you do not want people to flee from there.

 

BTW. German media and German media still do not have any details this morning.

[JackFrost]

Looks like the driver was either Afghan or Pakistani and arrived in Germany in February.

 

The guy in the passenger seat appears to be a Polish national who was the original driver but had his truck hijacked.

[hypochondriac]

How many terrorist attacks have refugees committed on British soil recently?

We didn't accept the numbers of people that Germany and France did.

[hypochondriac]

Looks like the driver was either Afghan or Pakistani and arrived in Germany in February.

 

The guy in the passenger seat appears to be a Polish national who was the original driver but had his truck hijacked.

According to some on here, the migrants that Germany let in have made no difference to the terror threat.

[hypochondriac]

I wonder how many Islamic terror attacks there will have to be in 2017 before there is an acceptance that mass Islamic migration has made a number of European cities much less safe?

[Saint86]

I wonder how many Islamic terror attacks there will have to be in 2017 before there is an acceptance that mass Islamic migration has made a number of European cities much less safe?

 

Well this thread is full of left wing apologists that are loath to blame uncontrolled middle eastern immigration for an increase in terror levels/risks... So if you are waiting for that to happen on here I'd tell you to bet on Dalek predicting a top 7 finish happening first.

[Chris27687]

Well this thread is full of left wing apologists that are loath to blame uncontrolled middle eastern immigration for an increase in terror levels/risks... So if you are waiting for that to happen on here I'd tell you to bet on Dalek predicting a top 7 finish happening first.

 

Try reading this book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fatwa-Jihad-Rushdie-Affair-Legacy/dp/1843548232

 

Modern terrorism has much less to do with main stream religion and way more to do with angry disenfranchised young men who can't/don't fit into society.

[Jonnyboy]

According to some on here, the migrants that Germany let in have made no difference to the terror threat.

 

Does your "nursery" operate a no Muslims welcome policy?

[buctootim]

Does your "nursery" operate a no Muslims welcome policy?

 

and his marriage

[buctootim]

Try reading this book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fatwa-Jihad-Rushdie-Affair-Legacy/dp/1843548232

 

Modern terrorism has much less to do with main stream religion and way more to do with angry disenfranchised young men who can't/don't fit into society.

 

Exactly. Nearly always there is a history of previous mental health issues or with anti social criminal activity. Its misfits jumping onto Islam as get out of jail card for things they wanted to do anyway.

 

There is a problem with violent Salafism being spread through Madrassas - which are often the only place poor people can get a free education in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. But who funds those? Iran? Iraq?, Syria? nope its our staunch allies the Saudis.

[whelk]

Exactly. Nearly always there is a history of previous mental health issues or with anti social criminal activity. Its misfits jumping onto Islam as get out of jail card for things they wanted to do anyway.

 

There is a problem with violent Salafism being spread through Madrassas - which are often the only place poor people can get a free education in countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan. But who funds those? Iran? Iraq?, Syria? nope its our staunch allies the Saudis.

 

so are you saying there is Islamic influence or not?

[whelk]

Does your "nursery" operate a no Muslims welcome policy?

 

So like Johnny to imply such a thing. Being a bit of a simpleton he needs to pigeonhole as complex issues will confuse his simple Sixth form politics. Sweet really

[1885]

Pakistani arrested probably not the driver, if anyone cares.

[1885]

I wonder how many Islamic terror attacks there will have to be in 2017 before there is an acceptance that mass Islamic migration has made a number of European cities much less safe?

 

Would not have made a difference in the both Paris attacks and Bruxelles, as they have been committed by EU citizens, if I remember correctly.

[Guan 2.0]

Holger Münch, head of the Federal Criminal Police Office “We need to work on the assumption that an armed perpetrator is still on the loose. As a result of this we are on high alert.”

 

It took them this long to realise, And other countries even offered to close their borders but were assured it was unnecessary as the Germans were certain they had their man

[Sour Mash]

The problem is clearly with Islam.

 

Not going to stop any time soon, the horse has bolted.

[hypochondriac]

Try reading this book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fatwa-Jihad-Rushdie-Affair-Legacy/dp/1843548232

 

Modern terrorism has much less to do with main stream religion and way more to do with angry disenfranchised young men who can't/don't fit into society.

Odd that all these disenfranchised and angry young men all happen to be members of the same religion.

[hypochondriac]

Would not have made a difference in the both Paris attacks and Bruxelles, as they have been committed by EU citizens, if I remember correctly.

I didn't mention specific attacks. Those you mention are however members of the same ideological group that are committing these atrocities.

[hypochondriac]

Does your "nursery" operate a no Muslims welcome policy?

What a bizarre thing to say. I welcome all foreigners here as long as they respect the rule of law and integrate into British society. Many Muslims are able to achieve that successfully (my wife's family for instance.) I'm not going to deny though that there is a clear problem within the Islamic faith that means we are seeing more and more of these attacks from followers of a poisonous religion.

 

It's been a consistent tactic from the left to label anyone who expresses this concern as racist or throw around made up words like Islam phobic or imply that you are against all Muslims. Thankfully this tactic is no longer working and it's why you have seen rejections of these empty arguments with the rise of fools like Trump. The problem of Islam needs to be dealt with and hopefully Germany will elect someone with a more coherent policy than Merkel. Flinging open the doors to anyone that fancied coming in was idiocy and they are paying for it now and all because she felt residual guilt from German history. She has blood on her hands.

Edited 20 December, 2016 by hypochondriac

[ScepticalStan]

Try reading this book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fatwa-Jihad-Rushdie-Affair-Legacy/dp/1843548232

 

Modern terrorism has much less to do with main stream religion and way more to do with angry disenfranchised young men who can't/don't fit into society.

 

Utter horse**** that's been peddled for years.

 

The 19 9/11 hijackers all had college degrees and many had PhD's, Jihadi John was a computer science graduate from a middle-class background, Al Bakri is formally educated in Islamic theology, al-Zawahiri was a doctor, Bin Laden was a squillionaire.

 

Finally, the extremists that carry out these mass murders *TELL US REPEATEDLY* that they do so because of their beliefs and their condemnation of the moral deviance of West. None of them *ever* come out and say that they're motivated by poverty.

[ScepticalStan]

Exactly. Nearly always there is a history of previous mental health issues or with anti social criminal activity. Its misfits jumping onto Islam as get out of jail card for things they wanted to do anyway.

 

Dangerously ignorant bull**** that doesn't have a shred of evidence behind it and peddled despite all evidence to the contrary, including testimonies from both current and indeed ex-jihadists.

[Chris27687]

Utter horse**** that's been peddled for years.

 

The 19 9/11 hijackers all had college degrees and many had PhD's, Jihadi John was a computer science graduate from a middle-class background, Al Bakri is formally educated in Islamic theology, al-Zawahiri was a doctor, Bin Laden was a squillionaire.

 

Finally, the extremists that carry out these mass murders *TELL US REPEATEDLY* that they do so because of their beliefs and their condemnation of the moral deviance of West. None of them *ever* come out and say that they're motivated by poverty.

 

No one has said they can't have some form of education. Read from Fatwah to Jihad - it will explain a lot of the context you clearly don't understand.

 

Odd that all these disenfranchised and angry young men all happen to be members of the same religion.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain - Since 2010 there have been 4 terror attacks on UK soil, 2 white supremacists and 2 people of some form of association to the Islamic faith.

[Sour Mash]

No one has said they can't have some form of education. Read from Fatwah to Jihad - it will explain a lot of the context you clearly don't understand.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain - Since 2010 there have been 4 terror attacks on UK soil, 2 white supremacists and 2 people of some form of association to the Islamic faith.

And the rest of Europe? And the world at large? And before 2010? 20 odd years of sustained Islamic terrorism, nothing remotely comparable from any other culture/society.

 

Why are you so keen to cover up the problem of Islamic terrorism?

[Chris27687]

And the rest of Europe? And the world at large? And before 2010? 20 odd years of sustained Islamic terrorism, nothing remotely comparable from any other culture/society.

 

Why are you so keen to cover up the problem of Islamic terrorism?

 

Pretty much every single terrorist attack prior to 2000 in the UK was IRA.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

 

Look we are all trying to answer the same question - Why do bad things like this happen? The answer isn't going to be simple - and banning large groups of people will not solve the problem. The problem is more a failing of society in the sense that we have rampant mental health issues and large about of dis-enfranchisement across young angry men (for the most part). The reason it's easier to say ban all the immigrants is because solving the actual problem is going to cost billions and billions - and no one wants to spend the money.

 

If you ever bothered reading about Molenbeek where the Paris attackers came from, i can virtually guarantee you haven't, you would find that it's an incredibly poor **** hole, practically law-less. Why is it a **** hole that's practically law-less - because there are no jobs, no investment and no future. What happens in poor ****-holes that are practically law less with no jobs, no investment and no future - they have mentally high crime rates, health care issues, mental health issues, broken families galore etc.

 

It's not hard to understand people do mental **** when they grow up in these environments - solve the environmental problems (Socio-economic) and you solve everything else.

[Johnny Bognor]

And the rest of Europe? And the world at large? And before 2010? 20 odd years of sustained Islamic terrorism, nothing remotely comparable from any other culture/society.

 

Why are you so keen to cover up the problem of Islamic terrorism?

 

If you just look at islamic terror attacks in 2016, you can see that there is nothing in it and nothing to fear... it just proves that mental health issues are a global problem. Perhaps in the UK, we are more successful in dealing with mental health issues???

 

• Afghanistan January 1, 2016 – A Taliban suicide bomber detonated himself in a French restaurant called 'Le Jardin' in Kabul. 2 dead 15 injured.

• India January 2, 2016 – In the 2016 Pathankot attack suspected Jaish-e-Mohammed militants attacked an Indian air base killing 7 security force members. Several injured.

• Iraq January 3, 2016 – Five Islamist suicide bombers attack an Iraqi military base. 15 dead and 22 injured.

• Afghanistan January 4, 2016 – A Militant drove a truck packed with explosives to the armored gates of a compound for civilian contractors near Kabul's airport before detonating. 30 people injured

• Libya January 7, 2016 – In the Zliten truck bombing Islamist militants detonated a truck bomb at the police training camp al-Jahfal in the coastal town of Zliten, Libya. 50+ dead 100+ wounded.

• France January 7, 2016 – In the January 2016 Paris police station attack an Islamist from Morocco wearing a fake explosive belt attacked police officers with a meat cleaver. He was shot dead.

• Libya January 7, 2016 – A car bombing at a checkpoint in the Libyan oil port of Ras Lanuf left seven people dead and 11 wounded.

• Egypt January 8, 2016 – In the 2016 Hurghada attack two militants armed with a melee weapon and a signal flare stormed the Bella Vista Hotel. 3 injured.

• France January 11, 2016 – A 15-year old Turkish ISIL supporter attacked a teacher from a Jewish school in Marseille with a machete. 1 injured.

• Iraq January 11, 2016 – ISIL gunmen detonate suicide vests in a shopping mall, killing at least 20 and wounding more than 40 people.

• Turkey January 12, 2016 – In the 2016 Istanbul bombing an ISIL suicide bomber kills 10 tourists and injures 15 more in the historical centre of Istanbul.

• Indonesia January 14, 2016 – In the 2016 Jakarta attacks 4 assailants kill 2 and injure 24 in a terrorist attack in Jakarta. The attack was orchestrated and financed from ISIL in Syria.

• Somalia January 15, 2016 – In the El Adde attack, Al-Shabaab terrorists attack an African Union Kenyan army base in El-Adde. 63+ killed, several injured

• Burkina Faso January 15, 2016 – In the 2016 Ouagadougou attack Islamist gunmen armed with heavy weapons attacked the Cappuccino restaurant and the Splendid Hotel in the heart of Ouagadougou, 20+ killed.

• Pakistan January 21, 2016 – At least 22 killed in attack on Bacha Khan University, Pakistan. The Taliban claim responsibility for the attack.

• Somalia January 22, 2016 – Al-Shabab attack on beachside restaurant leaves 20 dead.

• Cameroon January 25, 2016 – Suspected Boko Haram insurgents have blown themselves up in a market in Cameroon, killing at least 25 people and injuring 62 others.

• Nigeria January 30, 2016 – Boko Haram gunmen raided a Nigerian village, at least 65 people were killed and 136 others injured.

• Ivory Coast March 13, 2016 – In the 2016 Grand-Bassam shootings Al Qaeda gunmen stormed 3 hotels in the beach resort city of Grand-Bassam in the Ivory Coast, leaving 18 people dead.

• Iraq March 20, 2016 – In Anbar, Iraq, ISIL suicide bombers kill at least 24 at municipal building

• Belgium March 22, 2016 – 2016 Brussels bombings includes two suicide bombings in Brussels Airport and one bombing in Brussels Metro that resulted in 35 deaths and more than 300 wounded.

• Yemen March 25, 2016 – Three ISIL suicide bombers strike security checkpoints in the Yemeni city of Aden, killing 26 people.

• Iraq March 25, 2016 – 30 people killed and 95 injured after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a football stadium in Iskandariya, south of Baghdad. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack.

• Pakistan March 27, 2016 – The 2016 Lahore suicide bombing targeted Christians who had gathered on Easter in Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park. The blast, by Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, a Pakistani Taliban faction, killed at least 70

• Afghanistan April 19, 2016 – The April 2016 Kabul attack targeted a security team responsible for protecting government VIPs. The attack killed 64 people and wounded 347.

• Bangladesh April 23, 2016 – Attackers hacked a university professor to death in the city of Rajshahi, Bangladesh. ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack stating that they assassinated him

• Bangladesh April 25, 2016 – Two gays rights activists were hacked to death in the capital of Bangladesh, Dhaka. An Al-Qaeda affiliated group claimed responsibility for the attacks

• Iraq May 11, 2016 – At least 40 people were killed and 60 injured in a car bomb attack on a market in Baghdad. ISIL claims responsibility.

• United States June 12, 2016 – 49 people were killed and 53 injured in a mass shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida. The shooter, Omar Mateen, pledged allegiance to ISIL

• France June 14, 2016 – Two French citizens, a police officer and his wife were stabbed to death in Magnanville, France by a man swearing his allegiance to ISIL.

• Jordan June 21, 2016 - ISIS Soldier infiltrates refugee camp at a Jordanian army post near Rukban, killing 6 and wounding 14.[241] ISIL later claimed responsibility.

• Pakistan June 22, 2016 – Assassination of Amjad Sabri, claimed by a splinter group of the Pakistani Taliban who accused Sabri of blasphemy.

• Bangladesh July 1, 2016 – Gunmen killed 20 hostages in the affluent Gulshan Thana neighborhood of Dhaka. Thirteen hostages were rescued; two police officers and six terrorists were killed.

• Iraq July 3, 2016 - July 2016 Baghdad bombings Two coordinated bomb attacks killed over 300 people and injured over 221 others.

• Indonesia July 4, 2016 - A suicide bomber has attacked a police station in Central Java, killing himself and injuring a police officer.

• Iraq July 7, 2016 – A coordinated attack involving suicide car bombers, suicide bombers on foot, and gunmen against the mausoleum of Muhammad ibn Ali al-Hadi, a Shi'ite holy site in Baghdad, killed at least 56

• Germany July 18, 2016 – A 17-year-old Afghan refugee injured five people seriously, two critically, with a knife and hatchet on a train near Würzburg.

• Germany July 24, 2016 – A suicide bombing outside a wine bar in Ansbach, Germany, in which a bomber tried to bomb a large music festival going on at the time. After detonation, he injured 15, 4 seriously.

• France July 26, 2016 – A priest's throat was slit and four nuns were taken hostage in a church in Rouen, France. The IS-linked Amaq news agency said "two soldiers of the Islamic State" had carried out

• Pakistan August 8, 2016 - 77 people were killed and over 100 injured by a suicide bombing at a government hospital in Quetta, Pakistan.

• India September 18, 2016 - 2016 Uri attack - Four armed militants attacked on Indian Army brigade headquarters in Uri area of Baramulla district in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, India. 18 Soldiers killed

• United States November 28, 2016 – 2016 Ohio State University attack, 11 people were hospitalized for injuries after a car ramming attack and mass stabbing occurred at Ohio State University.

Edited 20 December, 2016 by Johnny Bognor

[Johnny Bognor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain - Since 2010 there have been 4 terror attacks on UK soil, 2 white supremacists and 2 people of some form of association to the Islamic faith.

 

Quick to forget the 30 British people murdered on the beach in Tunisia last year. Not on UK soil, but clearly in a place frequented by UK tourists and as good as a UK target.

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see

Edited 20 December, 2016 by Johnny Bognor

[Sour Mash]

Pretty much every single terrorist attack prior to 2000 in the UK was IRA.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

 

Look we are all trying to answer the same question - Why do bad things like this happen? The answer isn't going to be simple - and banning large groups of people will not solve the problem. The problem is more a failing of society in the sense that we have rampant mental health issues and large about of dis-enfranchisement across young angry men (for the most part). The reason it's easier to say ban all the immigrants is because solving the actual problem is going to cost billions and billions - and no one wants to spend the money.

 

If you ever bothered reading about Molenbeek where the Paris attackers came from, i can virtually guarantee you haven't, you would find that it's an incredibly poor **** hole, practically law-less. Why is it a **** hole that's practically law-less - because there are no jobs, no investment and no future. What happens in poor ****-holes that are practically law less with no jobs, no investment and no future - they have mentally high crime rates, health care issues, mental health issues, broken families galore etc.

 

It's not hard to understand people do mental **** when they grow up in these environments - solve the environmental problems (Socio-economic) and you solve everything else.

Why do we only have a problem with disadvantage or mentally ill Muslim people and not others?

 

Why are you trying to cover up Islamic terrorism and pretend it is not a huge threat to people throughout the world? You do realise it makes you sound pretty ridiculous?

[Chris27687]

Why do we only have a problem with disadvantage or mentally ill Muslim people and not others?

 

Why are you trying to cover up Islamic terrorism and pretend it is not a huge threat to people throughout the world? You do realise it makes you sound pretty ridiculous?

 

I'm not in any way - we have lots of problems with other mentally ill people - countless rapes, murders and serious assaults happen each and every day by lots of subjects of society.

 

The point I'm trying to make is you can solve a lot of these problems by improving the conditions in which people live.

 

I appreciate Islamic terror is the most important thing in the world to you - but your more likely to be effected by a whole world of other crimes which are created by the same environment which radicalises people.

[Sour Mash]

I'm not in any way - we have lots of problems with other mentally ill people - countless rapes, murders and serious assaults happen each and every day by lots of subjects of society.

 

The point I'm trying to make is you can solve a lot of these problems by improving the conditions in which people live.

 

I appreciate Islamic terror is the most important thing in the world to you - but your more likely to be effected by a whole world of other crimes which are created by the same environment which radicalises people.

You've lost me now, what is your point?

 

Why do you think muslims are so different to people of other cultures?

[whelk]

Quick to forget the 30 British people murdered on the beach in Tunisia last year. Not on UK soil, but clearly in a place frequented by UK tourists and as good as a UK target.

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see

 

This thread seems to throw up a new apologist after every attack. Fck me are people not embarrassed to keep bringing up what about white supremacists bs line.

[Chris27687]

You've lost me now, what is your point?

 

Why do you think muslims are so different to people of other cultures?

 

My point is you aren't going to solve **** by banning immigration of a certain religious group to the UK - in fact it won't help and just be a waste of cash.

 

If however your goal is to reduce serious crimes which are commonly related to mental health issues or disenfranchisement of young adult men - then changing the environment people live in is the major way of doing that.

 

Is that hard to understand?

[Sour Mash]

My point is you aren't going to solve **** by banning immigration of a certain religious group to the UK - in fact it won't help and just be a waste of cash.

 

If however your goal is to reduce serious crimes which are commonly related to mental health issues or disenfranchisement of young adult men - then changing the environment people live in is the major way of doing that.

 

Is that hard to understand?

The more Islamic refugees a country accepts, the greater chance of terrorism. Glad we're all agreed on that fact.

 

None of your other points have any relevance to this subject though.

 

Why do you think muslim culture is so different to others in this regard?

[Jonnyboy]

What a bizarre thing to say. I welcome all foreigners here as long as they respect the rule of law and integrate into British society. Many Muslims are able to achieve that successfully (my wife's family for instance.) I'm not going to deny though that there is a clear problem within the Islamic faith that means we are seeing more and more of these attacks from followers of a poisonous religion.

 

It's been a consistent tactic from the left to label anyone who expresses this concern as racist or throw around made up words like Islam phobic or imply that you are against all Muslims. Thankfully this tactic is no longer working and it's why you have seen rejections of these empty arguments with the rise of fools like Trump. The problem of Islam needs to be dealt with and hopefully Germany will elect someone with a more coherent policy than Merkel. Flinging open the doors to anyone that fancied coming in was idiocy and they are paying for it now and all because she felt residual guilt from German history. She has blood on her hands.

 

So it's not Muslims you don't want in this country it's refugees? What about the Jews, and other Europeans who came to the UK in WW2? You would have had them stay in France and wait a year whilst their applications are considered?

 

 

Admittedly I don't have a source but a German lady on the radio stated that statistically refugees are less likely than German citizens to commit violent crimes. Pretty amazing really considering how desperate many must be.

 

I wonder how many of the "close the borders" Trumpites on here support the idea that 25% of Brexiters support - forced expulsion of EU nationals, and forced repatriation of UK nationals living abroad back to the UK?! These are the morons (yes I'm so un-pc, I actually dared call thick people what they are) who are controlling the political debate in the UK at the moment. You could make it up but you'd have to be sick in the head.

[TwoPints]

What a bizarre thing to say. I welcome all foreigners here as long as they respect the rule of law and integrate into British society. Many Muslims are able to achieve that successfully (my wife's family for instance.) I'm not going to deny though that there is a clear problem within the Islamic faith that means we are seeing more and more of these attacks from followers of a poisonous religion.

 

and what did your in-laws say when you told them they were followers of a poisonous religion?

[hypochondriac]

and what did your in-laws say when you told them they were followers of a poisonous religion?

Well my mother in law died last year but I've often questioned my father in laws beliefs. His views on Jewish people for example are just bizarre. If you know any Arabs then you would be aware of how stubborn they are. Lovely bloke though even if some of his opinions are strange. I'm hardly going to scream at him about his religion, he is my father in law after all.

Edited 20 December, 2016 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

No one has said they can't have some form of education. Read from Fatwah to Jihad - it will explain a lot of the context you clearly don't understand.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain - Since 2010 there have been 4 terror attacks on UK soil, 2 white supremacists and 2 people of some form of association to the Islamic faith.

Why are you confining this conversation just to England? You know exactly what I mean. There have been a disproportionately high number of terrorist attacks around the globe committed by followers of Islam.

[hypochondriac]

So it's not Muslims you don't want in this country it's refugees? What about the Jews, and other Europeans who came to the UK in WW2? You would have had them stay in France and wait a year whilst their applications are considered?

 

 

Admittedly I don't have a source but a German lady on the radio stated that statistically refugees are less likely than German citizens to commit violent crimes. Pretty amazing really considering how desperate many must be.

 

I wonder how many of the "close the borders" Trumpites on here support the idea that 25% of Brexiters support - forced expulsion of EU nationals, and forced repatriation of UK nationals living abroad back to the UK?! [emoji38] These are the morons (yes I'm so un-pc, I actually dared call thick people what they are) who are controlling the political debate in the UK at the moment. You could make it up but you'd have to be sick in the head.

So in summary you didn't actually read a single word I said and jumped straight to "you're a trumpite, you want to remove all refugees from the country and stop immigration, you're a racist and sexist." what a bizarre attitude and I shouldn't really have to say it but I don't think any of that at all. The fact that you just read what you wanted to read says it all. Like I said, the attitude of people like you is why Trump is in power and why the identity politics of the left is being roundly defeated across the globe.

[Jonnyboy]

Well my mother in law died last year but I've often questioned my father in laws beliefs. His views on Jewish people for example are just bizarre. If you know any Arabs then you would be aware of how stubborn they are. Lovely bloke though even if some of his opinions are strange. I'm hardly going to scream at him about his religion, he is my father in law after all.

 

Bloody apologist.

[Jonnyboy]

So in summary you didn't actually read a single word I said and jumped straight to "you're a trumpite, you want to remove all refugees from the country and stop immigration, you're a racist and sexist." what a bizarre attitude and I shouldn't really have to say it but I don't think any of that at all. The fact that you just read what you wanted to read says it all.

 

You said "Thankfully... Trump got elected."

[hypochondriac]

You said "Thankfully... Trump got elected."

I said thankfully the tactics of the regressove left are no longer working. Sadly- in part as a consequence of leftist tactics- the world has ended up with Trump- though in truth Hillary would in many ways have been worse. Why you thought my earlier statement made me a Trump supporter I have no idea.

Edited 20 December, 2016 by hypochondriac

[Johnny Bognor]

Why are you confining this conversation just to England? You know exactly what I mean. There have been a disproportionately high number of terrorist attacks around the globe committed by followers of Islam.

 

Indeed. Also consider that When you look at the number of tourists going to tunisia (post the islamic attacks) and see that they have plummeted, it doesnt correlate to the increase in tourists coming to the UK, despite the significant increase in white supremisist attacks, over the same period.

[Lighthouse]

Odd that all these disenfranchised and angry young men all happen to be members of the same religion.

 

Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik

 

Anyone on this list

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

 

Or this one...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

 

Then there's always the Klan...

[CB Fry]

.....Drums fingers waiting for someone to say that the Nazis were Christians the Nazis were Christians the NAZIS WERE CHRISTIANS.....

[aintforever]

Timothy McVeigh, Anders Breivik

 

Anyone on this list

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

 

Or this one...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

 

Then there's always the Klan...

 

Oh come on, I'm losing count of the Muslim mass slaughtering of innocents. 9/11, 7/7, Madrid,

Paris, Brussels, Nice, Paris again... The idea that any other religion is comparible is just ********.

[whelk]

.....Drums fingers waiting for someone to say that the Nazis were Christians the Nazis were Christians the NAZIS WERE CHRISTIANS.....

 

Lighthouse seems to be the new SOG. Negotiate dammit!

[JackFrost]

Odd that all these disenfranchised and angry young men all happen to be members of the same religion.

 

Is the religion the cause or merely a tool being used?

 

Islamic State are called 'Islamic State' for a reason. Commit 10000 atrocities with that name and people will eventually think it's 'Islam'. Tell the same lie 10000 times and people will think it's true.

 

They don't even have to rely on immigration, with social media they can brainwash/recruit anyone with the right psychological structure/life experience anywhere. Break them down, play their anger/psychopothy like a violin, mentally separate them from the world around them and after some careful brainwashing/grooming you've got a teenager/relatively young person lacking critical thinking skills driving a truck at a large crowd of innocent people.