Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Than there still is Assad, who killed more people than the Islamic state and causes most of the fleeing there. But Europe prefers to deliver arms to countries like Saudi Arabia who support the Assad regime rather than trying to find a way to have peace there. Well I'm not an expert on middle eastern affairs but I'd really doubt that Saudi and Iran both support Assad because they're arch enemies, two ends of a spectrum. I know that Iran supports Assad so I'd doubt that Saudi does as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Than there still is Assad, who killed more people than the Islamic state and causes most of the fleeing there. But Europe prefers to deliver arms to countries like Saudi Arabia who support the Assad regime rather than trying to find a way to have peace there. lol Saudi Arabia and Assad are direct enemies you dim-dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Than there still is Assad, who killed more people than the Islamic state and causes most of the fleeing there. But Europe prefers to deliver arms to countries like Saudi Arabia who support the Assad regime rather than trying to find a way to have peace there. Maybe this article will help you to get a better picture on the role of Saudi Arabia:http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html Though Assad is a b*sterd I guess you can't get rid of him now, especially as the Russians own him: "Assad is a b*sterd but he is our b*stard, the next b*sterd won't be...". So there has to be a deal with Putin in order to proceed things in Syria. With the Clinton witch as President of the US this will be a problem as she already claimed that she would blow Russian jets out of the Syrian sky when she becomes President. The West and the Saudi's created a monster which they can't or do not want to control. There's no proof of course but it wouldn't surprise me if corporate America is involved in this mess. Just like they probably were in the downfall of Gadaffi: https://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 explosion in Nuremberg, Germany. just another day in continental Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 explosion in Nuremberg, Germany. just another day in continental Europe How many more before some on here admit there is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 How many more before some on here admit there is a problem? No problem mate. Just individuals who are mentally ill and need more love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Not quite pal. Don't you think it's strange though that they were charging through the streets of Western Europe when they thought a cartoon only a small percentage of France would know about made them look bad. Yet a murder spree in the name of Islam raises little more than a murmur. Just for a bit of balance http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/70000-indian-muslim-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-isis-the-taliban-al-qaida-and-other-terror-groups-a6768191.html?cmpid=facebook-post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Genuine question here - with the events yesterday in France (one of them trying to get to Syria and not being allowed) is there not now a case for letting people go if they want and just cancelling their passports once they've left? If they really want to be part of that over there, let them get on with it, no? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Might have been wrong with Saudi Arabia and Assad, but actually they are bombing Jemen back into the middle ages, probably creating he next wave of refugees. Still Assad seems to be the biggest problem in Syria, creating more harm as IS are on the retreat.... German officials yesterday claimed, biggest thread are not refugees, but German citizens, radicalizing, travelling to Syria etc for training and then coming back. Those should be tracked and watched easily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Might have been wrong with Saudi Arabia and Assad, but actually they are bombing Jemen back into the middle ages, probably creating he next wave of refugees. Still Assad seems to be the biggest problem in Syria, creating more harm as IS are on the retreat.... German officials yesterday claimed, biggest thread are not refugees, but German citizens, radicalizing, travelling to Syria etc for training and then coming back. Those should be tracked and watched easily... The problem is Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Genuine question here - with the events yesterday in France (one of them trying to get to Syria and not being allowed) is there not now a case for letting people go if they want and just cancelling their passports once they've left? If they really want to be part of that over there, let them get on with it, no? A superficially tempting idea perhaps but think about it - do we really want to be in the business of exporting terrorists so that they can murder and create mayhem abroad? No, it really doesn't make a lot of sense I think that western nations should allow their own citizens to reinforce a enemy we are also currently engaged in bombing. And what if they want to take their children with them ... is that okay too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Granted, they should never inflict it on their children - it would be tough to argue against that some do already however. But, and I realise this is rather simplistic, I would rather these lunatics were not in the UK given the choice. Yes, that makes me selfish cos it shifts the problem elsewhere. I might sound melodramatic but, at the moment, the future looks pretty grim for my kids and the once safe Europe looks anything but at the moment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 explosion in Nuremberg, Germany. just another day in continental Europe "A suitcase exploded near a reception center for migrants in southern Germany, on Wednesday, but the blast may have been caused by an aerosol can inside it, and there was no evidence of explosives being involved, police said." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 "A suitcase exploded near a reception center for migrants in southern Germany, on Wednesday, but the blast may have been caused by an aerosol can inside it, and there was no evidence of explosives being involved, police said." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3 Good that it wasnt another terrorist attack. The way things are going though there could easily be another one tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 "A suitcase exploded near a reception center for migrants in southern Germany, on Wednesday, but the blast may have been caused by an aerosol can inside it, and there was no evidence of explosives being involved, police said." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3 Sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 "A suitcase exploded near a reception center for migrants in southern Germany, on Wednesday, but the blast may have been caused by an aerosol can inside it, and there was no evidence of explosives being involved, police said." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-blast-idUSKCN1071X3 Oh, don't ruin Batmans day like that. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 The problem is Islam. No, it clearly isn't. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 27 July, 2016 Share Posted 27 July, 2016 Granted, they should never inflict it on their children - it would be tough to argue against that some do already however. But, and I realise this is rather simplistic, I would rather these lunatics were not in the UK given the choice. Yes, that makes me selfish cos it shifts the problem elsewhere. I might sound melodramatic but, at the moment, the future looks pretty grim for my kids and the once safe Europe looks anything but at the moment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ffs they've much much more chance of being run over or topping themselves. Don't let the terrorists win by living in fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Granted, they should never inflict it on their children - it would be tough to argue against that some do already however. But, and I realise this is rather simplistic, I would rather these lunatics were not in the UK given the choice. Yes, that makes me selfish cos it shifts the problem elsewhere. I might sound melodramatic but, at the moment, the future looks pretty grim for my kids and the once safe Europe looks anything but at the moment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Unlikely to find an 84 yo Catholic priest to pick on over there and find Kurds and drones tougher targets however much they shout allahu akbar. I'm with you though. Let the fckers go and get wiped out. Happy for my taxes to subsidise free travel. Maybe a Teresa May style marking van needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 No, it clearly isn't. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Do you even think there is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 The problem is Islam. Don't think so. With roughly 1,6 billion people on this planet following the Islam. But it's pretty convenient for you, as you don't have to deal with coming up with solution or the thought that the West is part of the problem, too. Ffs they've much much more chance of being run over or topping themselves. Don't let the terrorists win by living in fear. They already did, as they simply want to bring up "Christians" and Moslems against each other. That already has happened and won't be able to be turned back. Just look into this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 bit from The Spectator Europe seems to be getting used to this. We’re long used to the statements of shock by politicians (why the shock?) as well as the platitudes about this having nothing to do with any particular religion. After that we have the now traditional focus of all our anger and grief towards Katie Hopkins, as if what she says or believes makes any difference to the growing problem facing Europe. Not all of Europe, of course. Central Europe, chiefly Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, remain largely safe from the terror threat, despite the former in particular being a Nato player in the Middle East. It is precisely because the reasons for this are so obvious that they cannot be mentioned. Poland is 0.1 percent Muslim, most of whom are from a long-settled Tartar community, Britain is 5 percent, France 9 percent and Brussels 25 percent, and those numbers are growing. For all the goodwill shown by the vast majority of people in Europe, Muslim and non-Muslim, and for all those things that shouldn’t have to be said – that most Muslims hate this monstrosity – these statistics correlate to terrorism risk. That’s not something people want to hear when they have a desperate urge to feel solidarity, but it is true nonetheless. It may well be that as the Muslim population increases in any European country, the radicalisation risk grows exponentially, since such extremism thrives on ghettoisation and isolation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 bit from The Spectator So what do you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 No, it clearly isn't. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk It clearly is, for the last 20 years it's gone hand in hand with terrorism the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Don't think so. With roughly 1,6 billion people on this planet following the Islam. But it's pretty convenient for you, as you don't have to deal with coming up with solution or the thought that the West is part of the problem, too. It clearly is, from Bali to Boston to Boko Haram, it's behind terrorism day in, day out. Barely even a news story, that's how common-place it's now become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 It clearly is, for the last 20 years it's gone hand in hand with terrorism the world over. No , it isn't. There is a group/army of nutcases that form terrorist organisations that are supporters of a warped view is Islam. That's a long way from Islam being to blame. That's like saying that being Irish was the cause if terrorism in the 70s whereas there were plenty of law abiding Irish in the country at the time as there are Muslims now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Some perspective is in order. The causes of death in the US in 2015, which was a bad year for Islamic terrorism, were: Suicide 43,000 Motor accidents 32,000 Gun homicide 13,286 Domestic violence 1,600 Islamic Terrorism 19 Oh, and Sharks 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Do you even think there is a problem? What makes you think I don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Some perspective is in order. The causes of death in the US in 2015, which was a bad year for Islamic terrorism, were: Suicide 43,000 Motor accidents 32,000 Gun homicide 13,286 Domestic violence 1,600 Islamic Terrorism 19 Oh, and Sharks 1. Verbal Interesting info and puts this into perspective. What was the source of the info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 It clearly is, from Bali to Boston to Boko Haram, it's behind terrorism day in, day out. Barely even a news story, that's how common-place it's now become. I know what you mean Sour Mash, you can link the current terrorism to islam but in fact it takes a sad imbecile to act upon some of it's darkest thoughts. The same goes for christianity and judaism, there's enough sh*t to be found in these religions too, there are just not that many christians or jews momentarily who believe it's needed "to spread the word in a violent way". Well, I suppose there aren't many of them but who knows what's lurking in the shadows... Like I said earlier, religion is like a gun. In the hands of the wrong person it can be deadly. Question is why there are so many sad imbeciles to be found within islam, willing to die for their faith and killing as much innocents (other muslims as well...) as possible. Undoubtedly a lack of education, lack of a future and so on has something to do with it but still, how is it possible that a third or fourth generation immigrant in the UK, Belgium or the Netherlands can change into a radicalised nutter so easily? In the Netherlands he gets pampered from the cradle to the grave and yet, it isn't enough? Why is it that there are just a few muslims willing to demonstrate against ISIS while a lecture by some radical imam on the "good works" of Osama Bin Laden is sold out and attracts a lot bigger crowd? How come muslim communities in Belgium or the Netherlands always say they didn't expect someone to leave for Syria to fight with ISIS as he was "such a nice chap"? There's definitely something wrong within those muslim communities but of course you're a racist bigot when you say this. It's the same lot who believe muslims are right when they protest against some cartoon of their prophet or against a comedian who makes a joke on them. Of course it's ok to make a joke of a catholic priest raping some child: "hey, it's satire man!" I know, it's funny but why do you think I'm islamophobic when I can also laugh about a joke on allah? The freedom of speech in the Netherlands is getting more and more limited due to sensitivity amongst muslims who can't adept to western society while being born here. There's just no comedian left who dares to make a joke about them and we can't secure them all like the idiot politician Geert Wilders who is protected all the time and never stays on one address for longer than two weeks. Nope, I don't blame islam itself. I blame the individuals who close their eyes for what's happening and are still tolerating muslim communities to have their own backward ways. Those individuals have blood on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 bit from The Spectator Why quote Brussels, a city, alongside nation states, you might as well quote Bradford for the UK also 25% Muslim, how many mass killing terrorists attacks there? Since 1980 so called Islamic Terrorist mass killings have accounted for 52 deaths in the UK, other mass killings are; the IRA 22, random criminals 86, Lockerbie, a State Sponsored act, 270. There is no doubt that Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorism is serious problem, just like IRA (Roman Catholic) Terrorism in the 70's and 80's. The problem is not Islam per se but the use of Islam by evil criminal elements in Muslim communities. The only difference between Batman and Trump is at least Trump can use 140 charecters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 getting a bit tasty in Cologne Just a standard day in Merkel's Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 getting a bit tasty in Cologne Just a standard day in Merkel's Germany It's called paranoia DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 getting a bit tasty in Cologne Just a standard day in Merkel's Germany I see your continuing to use the Trump theory that if you keep saying there's an incident every day then eventually people will believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 I see your continuing to use the Trump theory that if you keep saying there's an incident every day then eventually people will believe it. im not. Just seeing it on Twitter from various national (and international) news feeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 im not. Just seeing it on Twitter from various national (and international) news feeds Der Sturmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 im not. Just seeing it on Twitter from various national (and international) news feeds But no clarification of the facts when your links turn out to be nothing to do with terrorism? Just leave them there on a thread about terrorism? Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 But no clarification of the facts when your links turn out to be nothing to do with terrorism? Just leave them there on a thread about terrorism? Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk just said it is getting a bit tasty in Cologne. It was. Now it isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 just said it is getting a bit tasty in Cologne. It was. Now it isnt. Bit of a fracas at a job centre - Police say nothing to do with terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 But no clarification of the facts when your links turn out to be nothing to do with terrorism? Just leave them there on a thread about terrorism? Just another day in Batman's wacky world. Surprised he didn't come up with this one ; http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-gang-storm-nudist-pool-germany-threating-exterminate-women-infidels-1572918?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=%2Frss%2Fyahoous%2Fnews&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 just said it is getting a bit tasty in Cologne. It was. Now it isnt. There we are. That wasn't too bad was it. Good that you've confirmed that this random act of violence was nothing to do with terrorism. Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 im not. Just seeing it on Twitter from various national (and international) news feeds So what was kicking off in Cologne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 So what was kicking off in Cologne? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 Just another day in Batman's wacky world. Surprised he didn't come up with this one ; http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslim-gang-storm-nudist-pool-germany-threating-exterminate-women-infidels-1572918?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=%2Frss%2Fyahoous%2Fnews&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp It isn't though is it? 90% of the events he posts are happening, Islamic terrorism in Western Europe a regular occurrence recently. Not an unreasonable assumption to make that such breaking news from Germany is just another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 It isn't though is it? 90% of the events he posts are happening, Islamic terrorism in Western Europe a regular occurrence recently. Not an unreasonable assumption to make that such breaking news from Germany is just another. But most of these 'events' are not terrorism, and surely it would be better to wait just a wee while to allow some pertinant facts to trickle out rather than going full bore at the first tweet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 But most of these 'events' are not terrorism, and surely it would be better to wait just a wee while to allow some pertinant facts to trickle out rather than going full bore at the first tweet ?the vast majority of what's been posted on here has been links to terrorism. Or are you referring to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 (edited) the vast majority of what's been posted on here has been links to terrorism. Or are you referring to something else? "90% of the events he posts are happening,", where there has been criticism has been during the last couple of weeks. Nobody denies that terrorist incidents have happened, and will again, and nobody on here in any way condones or tries to excuse this, but some of the things linked recently have been posted with a very hair trigger. Edited 28 July, 2016 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 "90% of the events he posts are happening,", where there has been criticism has been during the last couple of weeks. Nobody denies that terrorist incidents have happened, and will again, and nobody on here in any way condones or tries to excuse this, but some of the things linked recently have been posted with a very hair trigger. What are these things being posted that are really concerning you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 What are these things being posted that are really concerning you? The fact that I post responses to you and Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 July, 2016 Share Posted 28 July, 2016 The fact that I post responses to you and Batman. Fair enough, bit of a futile effort pretending there isn't a significant, sustained problem of Islamic terrorism the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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