CB Fry Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 Did you watch the programme Whelk? One of the stats quoted was that their survey showed that 4% had some sympathy with suicide bombers and they were at great pains to point out, they did it twice in fact, that 4% equates to about 100,000 British Muslims. Whilst they also pointed out that the figure was only 1% of the general population, they failed to mention that 1% of, say, 60 million people, is 600,000. That's half a million more non Muslims that have some sympathy with suicide bombers than Muslims. So, who are you going to avoid in the park now? You seem awfully animated about that bit, some might say you are at "great pains" to point it out. I agree the programme would have been better off not quoting the "this equates to X thousand Muslims" for that stat as it wasn't particularly helpful, but they were absolutely correct not to start quoting 600k of the general population as you advise which would have been a ridiculous statement. With a standard margin of error for a survey like this 1% is simply not statistically significant and the programme was right to not dwell on it. Rather amusing that you've been getting upset about how sensationalist the programme was but then demanding that they report utterly sensational and baseless info instead. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 I love the well some are but most aren't argument. I'd be happy for my kids to play in the park with only 5 paedophiles because that's such a small minority of park users - you need to focus on them. Who knew Charlie would struggle with it although I have not watched it myself yet. Looks like we got ourselves a Trump voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 Looks like we got ourselves a Trump voter. Bless Johnny and your simple world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 Did you watch the programme Whelk? One of the stats quoted was that their survey showed that 4% had some sympathy with suicide bombers and they were at great pains to point out, they did it twice in fact, that 4% equates to about 100,000 British Muslims. Whilst they also pointed out that the figure was only 1% of the general population, they failed to mention that 1% of, say, 60 million people, is 600,000. That's half a million more non Muslims that have some sympathy with suicide bombers than Muslims. So, who are you going to avoid in the park now? Not yet. I won't hang my hat on stats though either way. Funny how you can predict so many reactions though and the intolerant desperate need to get excited and need to defend against those nasty right wingers they see everywhere. Awaiting an ironic pic of the Red Lion in Benidorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 Maybe the paediatricians. Ahh needed an edit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 14 April, 2016 Share Posted 14 April, 2016 Did you watch the programme Whelk? One of the stats quoted was that their survey showed that 4% had some sympathy with suicide bombers and they were at great pains to point out, they did it twice in fact, that 4% equates to about 100,000 British Muslims. Whilst they also pointed out that the figure was only 1% of the general population, they failed to mention that 1% of, say, 60 million people, is 600,000. That's half a million more non Muslims that have some sympathy with suicide bombers than Muslims. So, who are you going to avoid in the park now? Oh and regarding the smug who your going to avoid comment. Came up earlier with SOG and his very little real life knowledge of Islam and any contact with Muslims. That won't stop the desire to see racism and islamaphobia in many though when you actually don't know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Ahh needed an edit? Only to insert the smiley. I wasn't sure if a little gentle humour would otherwise be detected by some of the posters on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Yup, in dutch we have the saying "kicking in an open door" but as there are still many people living in la la land with a ridiculous strong door, we just go on kicking it... We have another saying: "soft healers do make stinking wounds" which you would know as "desperate times require drastic measures" but that doesn't cover the dutch expression in the right way. So I believe it's necessary to show these kind of video's to show what we're up against. These kind of imbeciles also walk around in Europe, putting their poison in feeble minds, telling them that islamic law is above the law of the country they live in and all the rest of their sh*t about women, gay people and so on. Your idea that these lot have to be confronted with a country's law and order system is meaningless to them, they just go on in jail if they ever get there at all. Like I told you before: in your country they even allow them to set up sharia councils. What would you think when a catholic priest would say that people accused of apostasy should be killed and your government allows this madman to take part in the justice system? Yeah I know, Jews do have some kind of justice system too in Britain so things have to be equal etc. etc. I believe islam in Europe needs some kind of reformation to prevent local civil wars. I hope I don't have to show you the video's with extreme right wing idiots all around Europe do I? You're aware that neo nazi's do get seats in political systems in several European countries right? The German NPD does even have one member at the European Parliament... These nasty developments are mainly caused by the fear against foreigners who happen to be muslim, wouldn't you agree? You'll probably believe that Europeans have to put some effort in adepting to these new times but that would be the other way around. No, to turn things around we depend on the so called moderate muslims to step forward and tell the radicals to p*ss off. It's not enough for them to say they disagree with them on twitter or to organise some demonstration, they will have to get rid of the idiots the hard way. Only this will be a clear signal to Europe and will lead to acceptance by infidels. As long as they don't move I'd better go on with showing video's to wake them up. So what's your idea of a solution? I really don't know why exactly you feel that law adiding European Muslims - i.e. the vast majority of them - are under some special obligation to counter terrorist extremism when they (like everyone else) pay their taxes so that the state can maintain that basic law and order function in society. Furthermore, I must say that statements such as "get rid of the idiots the hard way" come across in English as some kind of call for vigilantism. That may or may not be your opinion, but I for one like to think that most civilised people are quite capable of comprehending just how hideously UNDESIRABLE such a outcome would be in the current tense and inflamed situation. Indeed, if your "hard way" really is a call for more violence then methinks some may well consider that you are a rather strange induvidual. So again, my "solution" to the problem of political violence in society is that the forces of law and order do their utmost to address the issue as effectively as humanly possible and that the public in turn (whether they be religiously inclined or not) keep as calm as possible and do whatever they can to support those who serve to protect us all in this very difficult time. There is a certain irony, that I doubt somehow you are aware of, in that your proposed solution to the problem of extremism is itself extreme. On the other hand, here in the UK we have a popular expression that can be traced back to a famous WWII poster (if you will forgive me yet another 'Godwin') that sums up nicely a sterotypical but nevertheless typically 'British' reaction to adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Oh and regarding the smug who your going to avoid comment. Came up earlier with SOG and his very little real life knowledge of Islam and any contact with Muslims. That won't stop the desire to see racism and islamaphobia in many though when you actually don't know what you are talking about. I don't meet many Muslims in the park Whelk, but it is untrue to say that I have very little real life knowledge of Islam or any contact with Muslims. What I don't have is real life knowledge or any contact with terrorists and extremists which may be because there are not a lot of them in SE England - of the Muslim variety that is. You have probably seen the white racist mobs in Dover which is only down the road though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 I don't meet many Muslims in the park Whelk, but it is untrue to say that I have very little real life knowledge of Islam or any contact with Muslims. What I don't have is real life knowledge or any contact with terrorists and extremists which may be because there are not a lot of them in SE England - of the Muslim variety that is. You have probably seen the white racist mobs in Dover which is only down the road though. Really? I thought you said you had no idea if you had met Muslims because you don't ask people what their religion is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Right on cue. Yes I did say that and I don't meet people and ask them what their religion is. That doesn't mean to say that I have never met any Muslims. When you meet people do you ask what religion they follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 (edited) Right on cue. Yes I did say that and I don't meet people and ask them what their religion is. That doesn't mean to say that I have never met any Muslims. When you meet people do you ask what religion they follow? So what Muslims have you met then? Edited 15 April, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 How dare you question soggy's Islamic credentials. He's been on holiday to Turkey. Straight up, he really has. Proper expert is soggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 How dare you question soggy's Islamic credentials. He's been on holiday to Turkey. Straight up, he really has. Proper expert is soggy. Yeah, it is full of them. Who'd have thought it? I even keep in touch with one on FB but I don't know if he is a practicing Muslim or not so he probably wouldn't qualify for Hypocrite. I even went to a Muslim wedding once. Get me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 So what Muslims have you met then? Oh yes, because I cant have a view on Muslims unless I know several personally. Which also means I cant have a view on Southampton FC and many other things. You really are a strange little chap aren't you? I don't think I have had an exchange like this since I was about 7 or 8 years old. Help me out here...Autism or Asperger's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Yeah, it is full of them. Who'd have thought it? I even keep in touch with one on FB but I don't know if he is a practicing Muslim or not so he probably wouldn't qualify for Hypocrite. I even went to a Muslim wedding once. Get me! Ranks right up there with your expert knowledge of rape, because you had a job at the CPS once. And your deep study of homosexuality, managing to identify that there are six homosexuals living in your village, and you know who they are? You know Turkey isn't a Muslim country don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You know Turkey isn't a Muslim country don't you? What does this mean exactly? 98% of the countrt is Muslim. That's a larger percentage than Pakistan, which is 96.4% Muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 What does this mean exactly? 98% of the countrt is Muslim. That's a larger percentage than Pakistan, which is 96.4% Muslim. You already know the answer to that of course. But I'll indulge you anyway. It's the legal and administrative structure of civil society, the relationship between church and state, and ultimately whether church or state is the ultimate authority. A simple example would be whether the working week is Sunday to Thursday or Monday to Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 (edited) Oh yes, because I cant have a view on Muslims unless I know several personally. Which also means I cant have a view on Southampton FC and many other things. You really are a strange little chap aren't you? I don't think I have had an exchange like this since I was about 7 or 8 years old. Help me out here...Autism or Asperger's? Of course you can have a view, but it will be much less informed than someone who actually knows people who are Muslims. The fact you are trying to get a rise out of me by pretending I have autism or aspergers says an awful lot about you (though if I did have either of those things it wouldn't be anything to be upset about). You're not as superior and liberal with an impeccable moral conscience as you like to think and throwing around disorders like that is pathetic. Unlike you I work with people who have these disorders and I see the struggle that their carers go through every day. Edited 15 April, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You already know the answer to that of course. But I'll indulge you anyway. It's the legal and administrative structure of civil society, the relationship between church and state, and ultimately whether church or state is the ultimate authority. A simple example would be whether the working week is Sunday to Thursday or Monday to Friday. Nope. You're confused. You said Turkey wasn't a Muslim country. It clearly is, more so than Pakistan by measure of population. What you mean is that it isn't an Islamic republic. It's an important distinction. When Jinnah founded Pakistan he rejected pressure from more militant voices (like the port Iqbal) to declare Pakistan an Islamic republic. He wanted a home for Muslims, within a state with separation of powers. He died before seeing that he lost the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Nope. You're confused. You said Turkey wasn't a Muslim country. It clearly is, more so than Pakistan by measure of population. What you mean is that it isn't an Islamic republic. It's an important distinction. When Jinnah founded Pakistan he rejected pressure from more militant voices (like the port Iqbal) to declare Pakistan an Islamic republic. He wanted a home for Muslims, within a state with separation of powers. He died before seeing that he lost the argument. You're right. But I'm not confused, I'm just writing on football fan forum not drafting legal submissions. I know the difference better than most, I live with it every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Oh yes, because I cant have a view on Muslims unless I know several personally. Which also means I cant have a view on Southampton FC and many other things. You really are a strange little chap aren't you? I don't think I have had an exchange like this since I was about 7 or 8 years old. Help me out here...Autism or Asperger's? You're like many people on here. Live somewhere without any, or just very view muslims, wouldn't want where you live to be taken over by Islamic culture, but are critical of anyone that complains about having their own areas affected. Furthermore, there have been plenty of muslim extremists and terrorists from the south-east of England, whether you know them or not isn't very relevant to the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 (edited) I've seen the programme now and it was very interesting. Regardless of the rest of it, I know for a fact that views about Jews in the media and homosexuals are quite prevalent among Muslims and yes soggy that's because I actually know Muslims. I think the fundamentalist rulings in sharia courts in Britain are disgusting (as discussed by I think a Lebanese woman on the programme.) she spells out clearly that women are not treated equally at those courts, it's a disgrace to be honest. Thank goodness it isn't all Muslims but it needs to be tackled nonetheless. Edited 15 April, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Can I also add how pleasing it was to see the Muslim sellers at the end who mix with all faiths and ethnicities. I know there are many like that and I think the programme had some good ideas about how to foster that sort of attitude in the future. It did make clear though that these regressive attitudes still persist within the British Muslim community (unlike soggy, if you know any Muslims then you can talk to them and they will confirm this) and that there is not much desire to mix with non muslims. This is what needs to change and I think the idea of a quota system for schools is an idea worth exploring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 And just as I write this I see five more have been arrested I Birmingham. How long until we can have a serious discussion about this problem? Too many with their fingers in their ears calling other people racist and desperate not to recognise the issue. We need to be more robust in promoting our fundamental values and removing practices that run counter to those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 And just as I write this I see five more have been arrested I Birmingham. How long until we can have a serious discussion about this problem? Too many with their fingers in their ears calling other people racist and desperate not to recognise the issue. We need to be more robust in promoting our fundamental values and removing practices that run counter to those. yes but, 10 Christians will be arrested somewhere today in the UK so, where is the bigger problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661331/Five-arrested-terrorism-probe I guess SOG doesn't know them, so it doesn't really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661331/Five-arrested-terrorism-probe I guess SOG doesn't know them, so it doesn't really matter. 'Today's offering' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 'Today's offering' That's the saddest bit of it, not even a big surprise or big story, just another regular day in Europe 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 'Today's offering' This will affect us for a generation more at least, tragically. They are moving freely across Syria/Turkey into Eurpoe, they're living in many cities in Europe, and as in Paris and Belgium, their 'community' of muslims (who profess to be moderates and clueless to what is going on), are more than happy to live amongst them, not inform the authorities. muslims in Europe not only sympathise with these scum, they endorse them. Extremists peddle their violence, hate and intolerance in mosques and islamic schools up and down our country, it takes undercover journalists or major government investigations to uncover the shameful practises which have been going on unreported for years, due to the mass sympathising amongst their ranks for this barbaric, medieval culture. They're a danger to us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 They're a danger to us all. And we can't beat them without the goodwill and support of the Muslim community (which is already at an encouragingly high level in the UK IMO judging by the increasing frequency of intelligence-led action). Driving a wedge between the west's muslims and non-muslims is very high on IS wish list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Ranks right up there with your expert knowledge of rape, because you had a job at the CPS once. And your deep study of homosexuality, managing to identify that there are six homosexuals living in your village, and you know who they are? You know Turkey isn't a Muslim country don't you? Bloody hell, and I thought we had a strange one with Hypo? Okay I will indulge you. I don't profess to be an expert on rape but I did work as a manager in the CPS for 8 years and for many of those years managed a group of paralegal officers who worked with the Rape and Serious Sexual Assault team, so yes, I know quite a bit about the prosecution of rape. I have never professed to study homosexuality nor do I profess to be an expert on the subject. There are gay people who live in the village and I socialise with some of them. You do know that Turkey is a Muslim country don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/661331/Five-arrested-terrorism-probe I guess SOG doesn't know them, so it doesn't really matter. What a stupid thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 What a stupid thing to say. Just highlighting the impact from the culture you're keen to see spreading across our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You're like many people on here. Live somewhere without any, or just very view muslims, wouldn't want where you live to be taken over by Islamic culture, but are critical of anyone that complains about having their own areas affected. Furthermore, there have been plenty of muslim extremists and terrorists from the south-east of England, whether you know them or not isn't very relevant to the problem. You make some huge assumptions here mate. I live where I live not through anything to do with anybody or their religious beliefs. If someone wanted to build a mosque in the village and they got planning permission I wouldnt be bothered. I am critical of people who tar all Muslims with the same brush. Yes there is a problem with terrorists and it doesn't matter where they live or whether I know them or not. That still doesn't make the majority of peaceful Muslims a threat. Unless you have been targeted for a hate campaign by militant Muslims perhaps? You seem to have a big issue with them so what exactly is going on in your manor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Just highlighting the impact from the culture you're keen to see spreading across our country. Carry on with your Islamophobia. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Carry on with your Islamophobia. Good luck with it. Carry on with your support of the culture that brings these problems to our shores. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Carry on with your support of the culture that brings these problems to our shores. Good luck with it. So no direct problems caused by Muslims then? They are here whether you like it or not mate. In fact there are over 1 billion of them all over the planet. What are you going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You make some huge assumptions here mate. I live where I live not through anything to do with anybody or their religious beliefs. If someone wanted to build a mosque in the village and they got planning permission I wouldnt be bothered. I am critical of people who tar all Muslims with the same brush. Yes there is a problem with terrorists and it doesn't matter where they live or whether I know them or not. That still doesn't make the majority of peaceful Muslims a threat. Unless you have been targeted for a hate campaign by militant Muslims perhaps? You seem to have a big issue with them so what exactly is going on in your manor? You wouldn't be bothered if a mosque was built at the end of your road? Or your local school became an Islamic school? Women only left the house wearing headscarves as an absolute minimum? Local shops are Islamic bookshops, Halal Butchers? Pubs closing? Not to mention anti-Semitism, women and gay rights, rape gangs and terrorism. See, you don't want to live in such an area, but you expect other people to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 So no direct problems caused by Muslims then? They are here whether you like it or not mate. In fact there are over 1 billion of them all over the planet. What are you going to do? Plenty of problems caused by muslims, look at today's news alone. But glad you agree with me, the damage is already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 'Today's offering' Slow off the mark there Batman! Good news though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You wouldn't be bothered if a mosque was built at the end of your road? Or your local school became an Islamic school? Women only left the house wearing headscarves as an absolute minimum? Local shops are Islamic bookshops, Halal Butchers? Pubs closing? Not to mention anti-Semitism, women and gay rights, rape gangs and terrorism. See, you don't want to live in such an area, but you expect other people to. You really do spout some rubbish mate. Tell me, has this happened to you or anyone you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Plenty of problems caused by muslims, look at today's news alone. But glad you agree with me, the damage is already done. You have been caused these problems personally? No, trust me, you and I will never agree that peaceful Muslims are a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You really do spout some rubbish mate. Tell me, has this happened to you or anyone you know? Yep, huge bits of London, Birmingham and Luton. But why does it have to directly affect me? Why are you, as usual, choosing not to answer the questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Slow off the mark there Batman! Good news though. You see that as "good news". Mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You have been caused these problems personally? No, trust me, you and I will never agree that peaceful Muslims are a problem. Why do I need to be caused these problems personally? But I've lived in London with significant takeovers from Islamic culture. I was 50 yards from the Tavistock Square explosion on 7/7. All stuff you're not too bothered about and think that people should be happy with, while sitting quietly miles away from it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You see that as "good news". Mental. Isnt it good news that some potential terrorists have been arrested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Why do I need to be caused these problems personally? But I've lived in London with significant takeovers from Islamic culture. I was 50 yards from the Tavistock Square explosion on 7/7. All stuff you're not too bothered about and think that people should be happy with, while sitting quietly miles away from it all. You don't have to. I was just curious how someone comes to have so much hatred for so many people that they don't know and don't do them any harm. I might be miles away from it but we don't know where the next attack may come. If it comes here it wont change my opinion. I also used to work in London at the height of the IRA attacks and guess what, I don't hate the Northern Irish either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 April, 2016 Share Posted 15 April, 2016 You really do spout some rubbish mate. Tell me, has this happened to you or anyone you know?[/quote thought by now you would be best ignoring him,he lives in his own paranoia ,its not like hes a open minded bigot ,he only sees things in one dimensional terms.. his posts are good for a laugh and some of the stuff he posts you just got to shake your head that someone can be the gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 April, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2016 Yep, huge bits of London, Birmingham and Luton. But why does it have to directly affect me? Why are you, as usual, choosing not to answer the questions? So you have no direct experience of any of the things you accuse me of having no direct experience of yet you choose to hate a whole religion and I chose not to. What questions am I not answering? I have already said I am not bothered if a mosque was built here. We already have a church which is empty most of the time so it would be nice to have a place of worship that was used. I don't have a problem if Muslims moved in next door. The pub is the heart of the community here and the chances of it being closed are pretty slim. Are they closing your pubs down then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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