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[Batman]

Or:

 

Hundreds of Muslims marched through central London at the weekend to call forpeace*and unity.

 

Yet the organisers of the annual procession said not one single mainstream media outlet covered it because it was not "juicy" enough.

 

Men, women and children were pictured and filmed waving brightly coloured banners during the UK Arbaeen Procession on Sunday.

 

It is is organised every year by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK and according to their website is the ‘largest annually organised Islamic event in Europe’

 

the largest annually organised islamic event in europe. attended by a few hundred in the name of peace and unity. says it all really. And that is the largest in europe

more people probably left the UK to fight for ISIS than those who went...or not far off

[hypochondriac]

some of that is 5 years old? come on

some of that is part of single voices on social media.

 

where are they in numbers stopping the traffic on the streets of the capital? Or any other major city in the UK? Plenty of voices, numbers and aggro when the EDL and what ever other scum are out....5 year old articles do not cut it I am afraid

 

I'm combating the lie that there has been no backlash against extremists. There is certainly an argument that more could be done but CLEARLY there are Muslims out there condemning this sort of thing.

[shirleysfc]

the largest annually organised islamic event in europe. attended by a few hundred in the name of peace and unity. says it all really. And that is the largest in europe

more people probably left the UK to fight for ISIS than those who went...or not far off

 

How many anti IS protests have you been on?

[Batman]

I'm combating the lie that there has been no backlash against extremists. There is certainly an argument that more could be done but CLEARLY there are Muslims out there condemning this sort of thing.

 

of course there are some out there. that is always the case

but no where near enough is being heard from the whole community. Even the events/occasions we can find are that of a handful of voices collectively from the last 5 years. AT best, you get a few people showing their disgust on social media (and huge respect to them) or a few hundred turn up to an annual event.

 

hardly a backlash from that part of British society with very recent events still on the radar

[Batman]

How many anti IS protests have you been on?

 

I am not allowed to go to any. thanks for asking anyway

[shirleysfc]

I am not allowed to go to any. thanks for asking anyway

 

Ok. Out of those that are allowed, how many people do you know that have been on protests?

[Batman]

Ok. Out of those that are allowed, how many people do you know that have been on protests?

 

10.

[sadoldgit]

No links then?

Thanks anyway

 

As I said, instead of looking for your daily anti Muslim story just look for the backlash stories yourself. There are plenty there and it wont take you long I promise. I know that in your world you don't want them to exist, but they actually do. Lots of them. Open you eyes and your mind for a change mate. There is a whole new world out there waiting for you! Perhaps you could start by ready anything but the Daily Mail?

[shirleysfc]

10.

 

Dover?

[sadoldgit]

Dover?

 

LOL

[sadoldgit]

I am not allowed to go to any. thanks for asking anyway

 

Did your Mum and Dad say you had to stay in and finish your homework?

 

[Batman]

As I said, instead of looking for your daily anti Muslim story just look for the backlash stories yourself. There are plenty there and it wont take you long I promise. I know that in your world you don't want them to exist, but they actually do. Lots of them. Open you eyes and your mind for a change mate. There is a whole new world out there waiting for you! Perhaps you could start by ready anything but the Daily Mail?

 

go on, show us. I cant find anything of substance

cheers

[sadoldgit]

Well you really cant ne trying very hard. It took me about 10 seconds to find this.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5917267/british-muslim-youths-voice-outrage-of-isis.html

There is plenty of other stuff if you could be bothered to look, but as we know, you don't care very much for "foreigners."

[sadoldgit]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hundreds-muslims-marching-against-terrorism-6977099

 

Not just ignored by the media, but ignored by Batman too.

[sadoldgit]

http://www.m-a-t.org/

 

I could go on Batman but I have better things to do than to spend all day proving a bigot wrong.

[Batman]

All those were posted by hypo.

 

Hardly a backlash by a section of society and dwarfed by number leaving that part of society fighting for Isis

 

And stop with your idiotic racist jibes.

Edited 5 April, 2016 by Batman

[sadoldgit]

All those were posted by hypo.

 

Hardly a backlash by a section of society and dwarfed by number leaving that part of society fighting for Isis

 

And stop with your idiotic racist jibes.

 

In which case we both found them very easily then didn't we. I'll stop my racist jibes when you stop behaving like one. The number of those going to fight for ISIS is minute compared to the number of Muslims who chose to live in peace. Or don't you get that?

[Batman]

In which case we both found them very easily then didn't we. I'll stop my racist jibes when you stop behaving like one. The number of those going to fight for ISIS is minute compared to the number of Muslims who chose to live in peace. Or don't you get that?

 

From now on, I will insist you are a dirty old paedophile. Not much to go on but that does not matter, right? Just judging you from nothing off the internet

 

Yew tree found you yet?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Told you before where's the fatwas.

 

Finding an article on the internet constitutes a backlash in your eyes then? I would actually struggle to think where I haven't seen a backlash about anything ever.

 

Again you are invited to proffer an opinion as to what kind of counter-reaction against terrorism you would find acceptable. Until you specify what you are seeking then it is rather hard to know what I'm supposed to be looking for!

[Sour Mash]

In which case we both found them very easily then didn't we. I'll stop my racist jibes when you stop behaving like one. The number of those going to fight for ISIS is minute compared to the number of Muslims who chose to live in peace. Or don't you get that?

The cry of "racist" is the usual attempt, by the small minded who want to close off any debate and discussion and are struggling to answer straight forward questions.

[moonraker]

To clarify the magnitude of a counter reaction to an event that is unquestionably an attack on society the following Counter Reaction Scale is to be used. It must be noted that assigning a level of reaction force can be subjective and therefore the interpretation of the level of force understood by the majority should be accepted – forthwith the Scale shall to be known as the Societal Overview of Unilateral Reactions Scale

Reaction Force 1: Polite Counter Response - > 20000 people

Reaction Force 2: Polite Counter Response - > 50,000 people

Reaction Force 3: Mockery

Reaction Force 4: Disapproval

Reaction Force 5: Ridicule

Reaction Force 6: Contempt

Reaction Force 7: Condemnation

Reaction Force 8: Mild Criticism

Reaction Force 9: Severe Criticism

Reaction Force 10: Retaliation

Reaction Force 11: Counterattack

Reaction Force 12: Backlash

Counter reactions of less than 10,000 people cannot be measured except where the counter reaction is by a smaller group of people or single person in a leading position of power and influence;

In these cases the Mathematical Analysis Selection Hypothesis may be used. NB The Backlash level of Reaction Force must be used with extreme care due to risk of a counter backlash.

[sadoldgit]

From now on, I will insist you are a dirty old paedophile. Not much to go on but that does not matter, right? Just judging you from nothing off the internet

 

Yew tree found you yet?

 

No matter what kind of diversionary tactics you use mate, you are very clearly Islamophobic.

[Batman]

No matter what kind of diversionary tactics you use mate, you are very clearly Islamophobic.

 

Obviously

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The cry of "racist" is the usual attempt, by the small minded who want to close off any debate and discussion and are struggling to answer straight forward questions.

 

No, in your case the term 'racist' is a matter-of-fact descripton of you based on your contributions to this thread.

 

racist: noun

The belief that members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to another race or races:

 

So when you choose to characterise British Muslims as being a group that does not contribute positivity to our society - in your opinion - then that would be a textbook example of racist behaviour - i.e. according to you Muslims as a group act in a specific manner that you clearly regard as inferior to other groups in society. QED.

 

Others might wonder why those in authority on here have tolerated your overt racism for so long when such behaviour is specifically prohibited in this forum's published 'terms & conditions' ....

[Sour Mash]

No, in your case the term 'racist' is a matter-of-fact descripton of you based on your contributions to this thread.

 

racist: noun

The belief that members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to another race or races:

 

So when you choose to characterise British Muslims as being a group that does not contribute positivity to our society - in your opinion - then that would be a textbook example of racist behaviour - i.e. according to you Muslims as a group act in a specific manner that you clearly regard as inferior to other groups in society. QED.

 

Others might wonder why those in authority on here have tolerated your overt racism for so long when such behaviour is specifically prohibited in this forum's published 'terms & conditions.

 

See, you're a good example, struggles to debate, so throws around insults to try and close off any discussion, classic case really.

 

Feel free to pick out a post of mine that is clear racism anytime you choose.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

See, you're a good example, struggles to debate, so throws around insults to try and close off any discussion, classic case really.

 

Feel free to pick out a post of mine that is clear racism anytime you choose.

 

But you don't debate you rant and then resort to what is now a tiresome "not me guv" defence whenever challenged. As for your mighty debating skills, methinks a moderately bright ten year old could out argue you seven times a week and twice on Sundays.

Edited 5 April, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[Sour Mash]

But you don't debate you rant and then resort to what is now a tiresome "not me guv" defence whenever challenged. As for your mighty debating skills, methinks a moderately bright ten year old could out argue you seven times a week and twice on Sundays.

 

Oh and by the way, you do realise that Islam isn't a race don't you?

 

No wonder you struggle with all this.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Oh and by the way, you do realise that Islam isn't a race don't you?

 

No wonder you struggle with all this.

 

Is that the best you can come up with?

 

I don't suppose that members of what is now known as the 'traveler community' are a race strictly speaking, but that will not save Joe Marler. The point is YOU are treating Muslims as if they were a race therefore you are a racist.

[Sour Mash]

Is that the best you can come up with?

 

I don't suppose that members of what is now known as the 'traveler community' are a race strictly speaking, but that will not save Joe Marler. The point is YOU are treating Muslims as if they were a race therefore you are a racist.

You crack me up

 

If I treat Manchester United fans as a race am I racist?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Okay then, define the term 'race' and provide examples.

[Sour Mash]

Okay then, define the term 'race' and provide examples.

 

Just look up your copy of the Oxford English dictionary, unlike you, I don't need to make up my own definitions, I agree with theirs.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Just look up your copy of the Oxford English dictionary, unlike you, I don't need to make up my own definitions, I agree with theirs.

 

You were asked to provide examples of a racial group as you define the term.

[Sour Mash]

You were asked to provide examples of a racial group as you define the term.

Caucasian, Black, Native American, Manchester United fans.

[Sour Mash]

You were asked to provide examples of a racial group as you define the term.

Can you confirm which race the people in this story are?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

There is only one race you loon - the Human Race.

 

As far back as 1950 UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) issued a statement asserting that all humans belong to the same species and that 'race' is not a biological reality but rather a myth. It makes no more sense to define someone on their skin colour or facial features that it does to claim that people with brown or blone hair belong to different 'races'. This is the conclusion of an international panel of leading anthropologists, geneticists, sociologists, and psychologists.

 

If the idea of race is not really valid then does that also mean that there is no such thing as racism then? Not really, racism is alive and well alas - as this very thread shows - but what we really mean by the term today is that people like you (for example) hold views that are 'culturally racist' in nature. We could I suppose have a long and fruitless debate about the difference between culture and ethnicity, but this type of semantically tedious stuff is of little appeal and let's face it you are not really up to it are you?

 

So methinks I know a racist when I see one - and I see at least one on here.

Edited 5 April, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[Sour Mash]

There is only one race you loon - the Human Race.

Make your mind up, you just said Islam is a separate race? Which one is it? Why do you find all this confusing? My genuine advice would be to spend some time with a dictionary, and do some general reading, makes life easier if you don't make up your owns definitions for basic words and terms.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Make your mind up, you just said Islam is a separate race? Which one is it? Why do you find all this confusing? My genuine advice would be to spend some time with a dictionary, and do some general reading, makes life easier if you don't make up your owns definitions for basic words and terms.

 

Are you suffering from a short term memory retention problem?

 

You told me that that you were not a racist because Muslims were not a race. So if Muslims are not a race then this begs the obvious question which group do you think is? In reality you are obviously a cultural racist - I intend to abbreviate that term to just "racist" in order to save time.

[Sour Mash]

Are you suffering from a short term memory retention problem?

 

You told me that that you were not a racist because Muslims were not a race. So if Muslims are not a race then this begs the obvious question which group do you think is? In reality you are obviously a cultural racist - I intend to abbreviate that term to just "racist" in order to save time.

Yes, I told you Islam aren't a race, because they're not.

 

You've got confused, thought they were using your own made up definitions, were proven wrong as usual, so have resorted to making up another term. Quite a good way of working really, just make up your own terms and definitions, you can never be wrong then, should help you out a fair bit.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Yes, I told you Islam aren't a race, because they're not.

 

You've got confused, thought they were using your own made up definitions, were proven wrong as usual, so have resorted to making up another term. Quite a good way of working really, just make up your own terms and definitions, you can never be wrong then, should help you out a fair bit.

 

You are seriously attempting to claim that I invented the term "culteral racist" on here today?

[Sour Mash]

You are seriously attempting to claim that I invented the term "culteral racist" on here today?

Oh I know of the term, just find it amusing as you stumble from one term to another trying to make up your own definitions as you go along. So you now agree that none of my posts are racist, with me having to explain basic terms to you.

 

How are any of my posts "cultural racism"?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Oh I know of the term, just find it amusing as you stumble from one term to another trying to make up your own definitions as you go along. So you now agree that none of my posts are racist, with me having to explain basic terms to you ...

 

Oh yeah?

 

Methinks you suddenly know the term "cultral racism" only because you have just Googled it in the last few minutes and discovered that it has its own Wikipedia page! It's no good issuing a series of blatantly racist posts on here and then imagining that you can somehow get away with this behaviour as all you need to do is just deny everything and people will just accept that. Denials need to be remotely plausible and connected to reality in order to be taken seriously.

 

Imagine if you will that Jeremy Clarkson came on TV tonight and claimed that he really didn't like fast cars at all. He could say that from now to eternity but no one would believe him because that is clearly not true. It would be going too far to claim that I could respect you if you just admitted your racism openly. But at least that would be a honest statement and that is surely better than just more tedious lies.

 

A racist AND a liar is really not a very pretty picture of you is it?

Edited 5 April, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[Sour Mash]

Oh yeah?

 

Methinks you suddenly know the term "cultral racism" only because you have just Googled it in the last few minutes and discovered that it has its own Wikipedia page! It's no good issuing a series of blatantly racist posts on here and then imagining that you can somehow get away with this behaviour as all you need to do is just deny everything and people will just accept that. Denials need to be remotely plausible and connected to reality in order to be taken seriously.

 

Imagine if you will that Jeremy Clarkson came on TV tonight and claimed that he really didn't like fast cars at all. He could say that from now to eternity but no one would believe him because that is clearly not true. It would be going too far to claim that I could respect you if you just admitted your racism openly. But at least that would be a honest statement and that is surely better than just more tedious lies.

 

A rasist AND a liar is really not a very pretty picture of you is it?

So no examples. Just in the same way you couldn't find any examples of racist posts. Not very good at this are you?

 

And having to have basic terms and definitions explained to you, I didn't need google or Wikipedia for that, sounds like you could use as much help as you can find though.

 

And it all boils back down to my original point - the likes of you trying to shut down those pointing out the negative impact of Islam on Western Europe, so desperate you are to quieten such criticism, you cry "racism", make up definitions, post insults, anything to hide the issue that is being discussed. Why you're so desperate to cover these issues up, only you know I guess, don't understand or really care about the issue perhaps.

[Sour Mash]

Can you confirm which race the people in this story are?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html

Still no answer to this unsurprisingly.

[TwoPints]

Can you confirm which race the people in this story are?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519519/Muslim-Patrol-jailed-harassing-couple-holding-hands-men-drinking-bid-enforce-Sharia-law-East-London.html

Ooh, we'll done.. You found an article where a few Muslims broke the

law and have been prosecuted as a result. I note in the article that the QC stated;

 

"'My understanding is that Islam is a peaceful religion and this conduct was unfortunately anything but.'

 

The QC understands that Islam is a peaceful religion and that the perpetrators of the crimes were not so I wonder why you can't see that too? It's also noted that all three had a history of crime and/or drug taking before they converted to Islam.

 

Maybe you could find a story about non-muslims that have been charged with much more serious offences than these today but that wouldn't fit with your agenda would it.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So no examples ...

 

Why on Earth would I need to labouriously traw my way back through a thread of this length looking for post numbers when you, me and every tom d1ck and harrot on here well know that you surely did clearly imply that Muslims make no worthwhile contribution to our society?

 

Or are you attempting to deny that too?

[Sour Mash]

Why on Earth would I need to labouriously traw my way back through a thread of this length looking for post numbers when you, me and every tom d1ck and harrot on here well know that you surely did clearly imply that Muslims make no worthwhile contribution to our society?

 

Or are you attempting to deny that too?

So still no answers to any of the questions or provision of any examples.

 

Still no explanation as to why you're so desperate to close down any criticism of Islam's impact on the west. Odd, but maybe it just doesn't bother you.

[Sour Mash]

Ooh, we'll done.. You found an article where a few Muslims broke the

law and have been prosecuted as a result. I note in the article that the QC stated;

 

"'My understanding is that Islam is a peaceful religion and this conduct was unfortunately anything but.'

 

The QC understands that Islam is a peaceful religion and that the perpetrators of the crimes were not so I wonder why you can't see that too? It's also noted that all three had a history of crime and/or drug taking before they converted to Islam.

 

Maybe you could find a story about non-muslims that have been charged with much more serious offences than these today but that wouldn't fit with your agenda would it.

Not my point. Chapel End Charlie says it is racist to be critical of such behaviour - I'm just asking which race are those who criticise racist against?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So still no answers to any of the questions or provision of any examples.

 

Still no explanation as to why you're so desperate to close down any criticism of Islam's impact on the west. Odd, but maybe it just doesn't bother you.

 

The great Paul Simon once wrote the lyric "don't deny the obvious child" - advice you might heed. But I am taking your lack of any denial as to the existance of the racist post in question as a form of grudging admission - so we are at least making some limited progress then. As for me supposidly being reluctant to debate any subject you like, I can only assure you that I stand ready to continue this conversation far into the 'wee small hours' if you like - it turns out that even insomnia has its advantages.

 

Your habit of claiming that your little questions are never answered - when they are- is now beyond parady by the way.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Not my point. Chapel End Charlie says it is racist to be critical of such behaviour - I'm just asking which race are those who criticise racist against?

 

One of the problems of conversing with you is that you appear to have the memory capacity of a elderly goldfish. Please try to remember that I have alreadty told you that I believe there is only one race.

[TwoPints]

Not my point. Chapel End Charlie says it is racist to be critical of such behaviour - I'm just asking which race are those who criticise racist against?

Ummm, yes it was your point. It was your post that posted the link.

 

Whatever you want to call it, whether it's islamaphobia, xenophobia or just plain racism, in my opinion, and clearly the opinion of others, some of your posts have crossed the line. You know it, I know it and clearly others do too. Trying to hide behind a narrow definition of racism does you no favours.

 

I note you've dodged another question by the way, this time from Chapel End. It's a shame as your response might have helped to clarify your position on Muslims in the UK. You could quite easily say that you think Muslims have had a beneficial impact on the UK, you were after all provided with a very long list of Muslims that have contributed greatly to the UK before you subtly changed your question, but you don't seem able to bring yourself to do that. Why is that do you think?