buctootim Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I reckon Two Pints might get punchy soon. When he stops apologising My daughter left her solvent nail polish remover open topped stood on the radiator. Heady stuff. I might fight later, or fly, or dribble. Not sure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I reckon Two Pints might get punchy soon. When he stops apologising If I didn't know you better I would think you were flirting with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2016 He's still going so we've got some of his speeches on one side, maybe I'll go with his hate speech in most of Mein kampf? Or the torture of twins? Or maybe just being the leader of the nation that committed the worst atrocities of modern times? Of course that is all trumped by some speeches where he said he was a Christian. this is fantastic. And there you have it "he said he was a Christian." Who are we to disagree? Oh, and by the way, even by your own very low standards, trying to say that I support the extremists was particularly shabby. You must be very proud. But at least you have shown yourself up to be what you really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 He's still going so we've got some of his speeches on one side, maybe I'll go with his hate speech in most of Mein kampf? Or the torture of twins? Or maybe just being the leader of the nation that committed the worst atrocities of modern times? Of course that is all trumped by some speeches where he said he was a Christian. this is fantastic. So if you commit atrocities you can't believe yourself to be a Christian? Foolish boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) So if you commit atrocities you can't believe yourself to be a Christian? Foolish boy. Who said anything about him believing he was a Christian? There's plenty of evidence to suggest he didn't believe that but even if he did, that clearly isn't what we were talking about. Of course you can believe yourself to be a Christian and commit atrocities but that doesn't make it true. Edited 28 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) And there you have it "he said he was a Christian." Who are we to disagree? Oh, and by the way, even by your own very low standards, trying to say that I support the extremists was particularly shabby. You must be very proud. But at least you have shown yourself up to be what you really are. Probably because his deeds and actions are pretty much the polar opposite of the teaching of Jesus Christ. I'm not in the mood for a theological discussion now (mlg best not pop up now) but regardless of anyone's views of Christianity, virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about that religion would agree that Hitler's actions were not those of a follower of Jesus. And yes before you start again, I'm aware that the old testament has loopy passages in but that still doesn't make Hitler a Christian. I wonder if we ran a poll of Christians asking if Hitler was an adherent to Christian teachings what percentage would agree with you? In soggy world you can just be something because you say you are. I'm going to be a Sikh tomorrow and then a Buddhist the next. Who are you to say I'm not? Maybe I'll be a concert pianist next Friday. You can't say I'm not so I am. Edited 28 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 So if you commit atrocities you can't believe yourself to be a Christian? Foolish boy. Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian shows themselves to be very very thick. Regardless of support from a few forum mugs. You go though Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian shows themselves to be very very thick. Regardless of support from a few forum mugs. You go though Johnny To be honest I prefer your concise version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 So SOG is falling over himself to emphasise how much of a Christian Hitler is, but seems to get awfully upset when anyone dares to suggest that Islamic terrorists are even remotely Islamic at all. Perplexing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Probably because his deeds and actions are pretty much the polar opposite of the teaching of Jesus Christ. I'm not in the mood for a theological discussion now (mlg best not pop up now) but regardless of anyone's views of Christianity, virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about that religion would agree that Hitler's actions were not those of a follower of Jesus. And yes before you start again, I'm aware that the old testament has loopy passages in but that still doesn't make Hitler a Christian. I wonder if we ran a poll of Christians asking if Hitler was an adherent to Christian teachings what percentage would agree with you? In soggy world you can just be something because you say you are. I'm going to be a Sikh tomorrow and then a Buddhist the next. Who are you to say I'm not? Maybe I'll be a concert pianist next Friday. You can't say I'm not so I am. In the same way that the deeds and actions of the terrorists are pretty much the polar opposite of the teachings of Muhammad? Virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about Islam would agree that the terrorists actions were not those of a follower of Muhammed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 So SOG is falling over himself to emphasise how much of a Christian Hitler is, but seems to get awfully upset when anyone dares to suggest that Islamic terrorists are even remotely Islamic at all. Perplexing stuff. I think what he is saying/implying is that all Christians are Nazis. I don't think you can say billions are all the same though and is a sweeping generalisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 In the same way that the deeds and actions of the terrorists are pretty much the polar opposite of the teachings of Muhammad? Virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about Islam would agree that the terrorists actions were not those of a follower of Muhammed? Do you think they don't think they are anything to do with Islam and Mohammed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 In the same way that the deeds and actions of the terrorists are pretty much the polar opposite of the teachings of Muhammad? Virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about Islam would agree that the terrorists actions were not those of a follower of Muhammed? I was waiting for that and in some ways I agree. However I would caveat that response with the comment that a much higher percentage of the Islamic community would sympathise with Islamic extremists than the Christian community would with the actions of the Nazis. To my mind that makes it much more of a grey area. We also have to remember that there is tons of stuff where Hitler says what he believed was not compatible with Christianity. The same cannot be said of Islamic extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Do you think they don't think they are anything to do with Islam and Mohammed? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Anyone who thinks Hitler was a Christian shows themselves to be very very thick. Regardless of support from a few forum mugs. You go though Johnny Bush was a leader who's commited some of the worst atrocities of modern times. Firmly pronounces his Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I was waiting for that and in some ways I agree. However I would caveat that response with the comment that a much higher percentage of the Islamic community would sympathise with Islamic extremists than the Christian community would with the actions of the Nazis. To my mind that makes it much more of a grey area. We also have to remember that there is tons of stuff where Hitler says what he believed was not compatible with Christianity. The same cannot be said of Islamic extremists. And on what basis have you made that calculation given that there were plenty of nazi sympathisers and supporters throughout Europe, including in the UK during the nazi rule of Germany and other countries? I would say it's very difficult to make such a claim with the information available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Bush was a leader who's commited some of the worst atrocities of modern times. Firmly pronounces his Christianity. Yeah big bad Bush is far worse than jihadis shooting up concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Bush was a leader who's commited some of the worst atrocities of modern times. Firmly pronounces his Christianity. Yes but you're not allowed to compare atrocities by Heads of State on here as that has some other label that's not terrorism... Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2016 So SOG is falling over himself to emphasise how much of a Christian Hitler is, but seems to get awfully upset when anyone dares to suggest that Islamic terrorists are even remotely Islamic at all. Perplexing stuff. Hardly falling over myself but seeing as your buddy Hypo seems to have a problem with it I was helping him out. As for the terrorist thing, it isn't really perplexing at all. I have already said very clearly that I have no time for terrorists whatever their race, creed etc. Not sure how you can confuse that but then Hypo seems to have a problem with it so perhaps you both have the same set of issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Yeah big bad Bush is far worse than jihadis shooting up concerts. Why shoot up a concert when you can shoot up a country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Yeah big bad Bush is far worse than jihadis shooting up concerts. Yes correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) Bush was a leader who's commited some of the worst atrocities of modern times. Firmly pronounces his Christianity. And you would find a lot of sympathy for the view that he is not a Christian- certainly some of his actions would call that into question. I definitely don't think Bush and Hitler were the same though - at the very least as far as I'm aware, Bush's views are in no way as overtly counter to Christian teaching as Hitlers. You make a fair point though and there are definite shades of grey as far as Bush is concerned. Not sure what that has to do with Hitler unequivocally not being a Christian though. Edited 28 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I think what he is saying/implying is that all Christians are Nazis. I don't think you can say billions are all the same though and is a sweeping generalisation. Now you know that I am not saying that at all, you silly old mollusc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 And on what basis have you made that calculation given that there were plenty of nazi sympathisers and supporters throughout Europe, including in the UK during the nazi rule of Germany and other countries? I would say it's very difficult to make such a claim with the information available. There won't be any statistics on this matter so it's a matter of opinion where we will inevitably disagree. It is worth bearing in mind though that many of the Nazi atrocities were unknown at the time and I expect that had they been, Nazi sympathisers would have been much lower. That's certainly the case now at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2016 And you would find a lot of sympathy for the view that he is not a Christian- certainly some of his actions would call that into question. I definitely don't think Bush and Hitler were the same though - at the very least as far as I'm aware, Bush's views are in no way as overtly counter to Christian teaching as Hitlers. You make a fair point though and there are definite shades of grey as far as Bush is concerned. No I don't think that Hitler and Bush were the same either. There is a small matter of the attempted eradication of the Jews for a start. What a bizarre thing to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Hardly falling over myself but seeing as your buddy Hypo seems to have a problem with it I was helping him out. As for the terrorist thing, it isn't really perplexing at all. I have already said very clearly that I have no time for terrorists whatever their race, creed etc. Not sure how you can confuse that but then Hypo seems to have a problem with it so perhaps you both have the same set of issues? Hitler was not a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 (edited) No I don't think that Hitler and Bush were the same either. There is a small matter of the attempted eradication of the Jews for a start. What a bizarre thing to say! Eh? I said they weren't the same. I'm confused are you agreeing with me here? I wasn't even talking to you. Edited 28 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Who ****ing cares whether Adolf was a Christian or not. Nazi's didn't shout " God is great " as they turned on the gas or murdered countless others . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 I retract what I said earlier. Why didn't you tell me you had the photographic proof Tim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Who ****ing cares whether Adolf was a Christian or not. Nazi's didn't shout " God is great " as they turned on the gas or murdered countless others . Tbf I'm not sure it's what someone shouts that determines what religion they are from. I could shout "Coldplay are incredible" before kicking my neighbour to death but it doesn't mean I like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Tbf I'm not sure it's what someone shouts that determines what religion they are from. I could shout "Coldplay are incredible" before kicking my neighbour to death but it doesn't mean I like them. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 Yeah big bad Bush is far worse than jihadis shooting up concerts. Without Bush, ( and Bliar ), would we have as many jihadis ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 28 March, 2016 Share Posted 28 March, 2016 So SOG is falling over himself to emphasise how much of a Christian Hitler is, but seems to get awfully upset when anyone dares to suggest that Islamic terrorists are even remotely Islamic at all. Perplexing stuff. Welcome to modern Britain, welcome to modern Europe. We will squabble amongst ourselves, whilst, as has happened today, a muslim terrorist has walked free from Belgium police. It's a total farce and ultimately we will all pay the price for it. We need to stand against radical islam and put serious pressure on moderates to get their act together as they are taking us for fools. Don't trust any of them. They're a danger to themselves, and they're a danger to us all. Welcome to modern Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Just to confuse the "was Hitler a Christian?" issue further. Below you will see the so called "Loyalty" oath of Himmler's SS, which dates back to 1935: "What is your oath ?" - "I vow to you, Adolf Hitler, as Führer and chancellor of the German Reich loyalty and bravery. I vow to you and to the leaders that you set for me, absolute allegiance until death. So help me God !" "So you believe in a God ?" - "Yes, I believe in a Lord God." "What do you think about a man who does not believe in a God ?" - "I think he is arrogant, megalomaniacal and stupid; he is not eligible for us So there you go then, if every German who volunteered to became a member of the elite SS movement swore a oath that does specifically mention God by name (and one you will note that also firmly rejects the atheism that lays at the heart of much Nazi ideology) then does that mean that this organ of the Nazi party can somehow be considered to be a Christian order? Well my answer to that question would be a resounding 'no' because we judge induviduals and organisations on what they do rather than on what they say. Very obviously the appalling actions of the SS during (and before) WWII are surely utterly incompatible with the teachings of Christ - as most will understand them anyway. However, much the same could be said of the Spanish Inquisition I suppose, so you might say that I am arguing that the Catholic Church is not really a religious organisation either! The deeper point here is that inconsistency rules and that there is often a huge gulf that exists in that space that lays between the teachings of the great religions and the deeds of many of those who attach themselves to those faiths. It seems to me that history seldom provides us with easily understood black or white answers to almost any question you aim at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Belief in God in isolation does not make someone a Christian though. It's what confused soggy over the whole Katie Hopkins debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Belief in God in isolation does not make someone a Christian though. It's what confused soggy over the whole Katie Hopkins debacle. Still going on about Katie Hopkins. Why is that more important to you than the Islamaphobes? As I said before, you have some strange priorities. And if belief in God doesn't make you a Christian then I am not sure what does. Just for the record, Jesus Christ was supposed to be the Son of God. So if you believe in God I guess it follows that you believe in Christ and are a, yes, you've got it. A Christian. Unless you don't believe in God and don't believe in Christ which makes you Jewish. What seems to be confusing you that you seem to think that people who are "Christian" cannot carry out non Christian acts. You must really struggle with the kiddy fiddling that goes on with many clerics, or doesn't that exist, along with Islamaphobes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Welcome to modern Britain, welcome to modern Europe. We will squabble amongst ourselves, whilst, as has happened today, a muslim terrorist has walked free from Belgium police. It's a total farce and ultimately we will all pay the price for it. We need to stand against radical islam and put serious pressure on moderates to get their act together as they are taking us for fools. Don't trust any of them. They're a danger to themselves, and they're a danger to us all. Welcome to modern Britain. I am not sure that a few people bickering on a football internet forum will make the slightest bit of difference to anything. Still, I expect Hypo will be along in a minute to put you right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Eh? I said they weren't the same. I'm confused are you agreeing with me here? I wasn't even talking to you. Yes I know you said they were not the same. I am not sure why anyone would need to say that as the clearly are very different but I have forgotten, this is the alternative World of Hypo we are dealing with. As for not even talking to me, when did the fact that I haven't been talking to you stop you making your crass comments. Just for the record, I was taking the p*ss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Still going on about Katie Hopkins. Why is that more important to you than the Islamaphobes? As I said before, you have some strange priorities. And if belief in God doesn't make you a Christian then I am not sure what does. Just for the record, Jesus Christ was supposed to be the Son of God. So if you believe in God I guess it follows that you believe in Christ and are a, yes, you've got it. A Christian. Unless you don't believe in God and don't believe in Christ which makes you Jewish. What seems to be confusing you that you seem to think that people who are "Christian" cannot carry out non Christian acts. You must really struggle with the kiddy fiddling that goes on with many clerics, or doesn't that exist, along with Islamaphobes? I don't think you understand Christianity at all. Belief in God and also Jesus in isolation does not make you a Christian. Are you aware that Jesus pops up in other religions too including Islam? Are the Muslims who believe in him Christian too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Who ****ing cares whether Adolf was a Christian or not. Nazi's didn't shout " God is great " as they turned on the gas or murdered countless others . Hypo clearly does. These things are important to him. Like Katie Hopkins. It is far more important to pull someone up for making a comment about her perceived religion than it is to pull up people for phobic comments don't you know. Oh, that and accusing clearly moderate posters as being apologist for terrorists. Its all about priorities you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Yes I know you said they were not the same. I am not sure why anyone would need to say that as the clearly are very different but I have forgotten, this is the alternative World of Hypo we are dealing with. As for not even talking to me, when did the fact that I haven't been talking to you stop you making your crass comments. Just for the record, I was taking the p*ss. Many would argue that there are some distinct similarities which is what I assumed the person I was replying to was alluding to (I know subtlety is not your strong point.) Arguably both used an aggressive political ideology which resulted in the deaths of innocent people. Clearly not on the same scale though which is why I said they weren't the same. Not sure why I had to hand hold you through that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 I don't think you understand Christianity at all. Belief in God and also Jesus in isolation does not make you a Christian. Are you aware that Jesus pops up in other religions too including Islam? Are the Muslims who believe in him Christian too? I give up. What an odd thing to say! You know perfectly well what I am talking about and if you don't you are even more obtuse than I thought you were. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Hypo clearly does. These things are important to him. Like Katie Hopkins. It is far more important to pull someone up for making a comment about her perceived religion than it is to pull up people for phobic comments don't you know. Oh, that and accusing clearly moderate posters as being apologist for terrorists. Its all about priorities you see. They both matter in the context of the thread. The former matters because it discredits your later posts by highlighting how little you know about religion. Of course the latter matters but our definitions of Islamaphobia and racism are clearly wildly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 A little known corollary of Godwin's law is known as the fallacist's fallacy. This states that just because an argument contains a fallacy it must therefore inevitably come to the incorrect conclusion. Both the law and the fallacy are in overdrive on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 (edited) I give up. What an odd thing to say! You know perfectly well what I am talking about and if you don't you are even more obtuse than I thought you were. Have a nice day. That's a no then you have no idea about Christianity. Just to sum up for you, belief in God and Jesus is not a guarantee that someone is a Christian. Believing in God and then committing acts that are the polar opposite to what most consider to be the teachings of Jesus does not make you a Christian. Hitler may have expressed a belief in God and mentioned God on his belt buckle but that doesn't make him a Christian. Katie Hopkins may have called herself Jesus and wanted to watch her child's nativity but it doesn't make her a Christian. Pretty simple really and not that difficult to understand. Tough for you though! Edited 29 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Here is a little something for those on here who think it is more important to debate whether Katie Hopkins is a Christian or not rather than deal with the bile she spouts (would that make them a Katie Hopkins apologists?). I could have chosen from several unpleasant tweets but I think this one sums her up perfectly - "Any mosques lit up in the colours of the Belgium flag? No - thought not. Just celebrations in prayer houses country-wide#ReligionOfMurder" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 (edited) Here is a little something for those on here who think it is more important to debate whether Katie Hopkins is a Christian or not rather than deal with the bile she spouts (would that make them a Katie Hopkins apologists?). I could have chosen from several unpleasant tweets but I think this one sums her up perfectly - "Any mosques lit up in the colours of the Belgium flag? No - thought not. Just celebrations in prayer houses country-wide#ReligionOfMurder" What a stupid and ignorant tweet. Doesn't make your statements about her being a Christian any less idiotic. If anything it reinforces the stupidity of that comment. Edited 29 March, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 Here is a little something for those on here who think it is more important to debate whether Katie Hopkins is a Christian or not rather than deal with the bile she spouts (would that make them a Katie Hopkins apologists?). I could have chosen from several unpleasant tweets but I think this one sums her up perfectly - "Any mosques lit up in the colours of the Belgium flag? No - thought not. Just celebrations in prayer houses country-wide#ReligionOfMurder" Clearly that Tweet could have been written by the Archbishop of Canterbury himself. I think you should spend time doing some research into religions and faith in general as you do come across as a half wit. Said in love of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 29 March, 2016 Share Posted 29 March, 2016 (edited) That's a no then you have no idea about Christianity. Just to sum up for you, belief in God and Jesus is not a guarantee that someone is a Christian. Believing in God and then committing acts that are the polar opposite to what most consider to be the teachings of Jesus does not make you a Christian. Hitler may have expressed a belief in God and mentioned God on his belt buckle but that doesn't make him a Christian. Katie Hopkins may have called herself Jesus and wanted to watch her child's nativity but it doesn't make her a Christian. Pretty simple really and not that difficult to understand. Tough for you though! I'm sure I'm going to regret this but here goes anyway... Using your logic, these nut jobs killing innocent people aren't proper Muslims as the Koran/Islam doesn't tolerate the killing of innocent people. From what I've read most of the arseholes who have carried out these horrendous attacks also led lives of petty crime and used to drink alcohol... Edited 29 March, 2016 by shirleysfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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