Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[whelk]

No ... no, you haven't. The question was who are 'they'? You have failed to answer that but given that your comments were in respect of Islam and it is fair to say that a religion can't 'blow up people on a huge scale' then presumably you refer to the followers of Islam, who by definition are Muslims.

 

To answer your question ... maybe broaden your mind and realise that there are extremists/fundamentalists in all religions. Try reading this as an example:

 

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/comparing-republican-christian-values-to-islamic-fundamentalism/

 

and a quick google of christian terrorism will also answer your question. Try it with the other religions too and see what you get.

 

Don't forget to mention Hitler. Oh and about time you mentioned Brevik again isn't.

 

Watch out for all the radicalisation going on at the Methodist church and them briefing them to take out innocents.

 

Oh and for the broaden your mind comment you patronising ****. Well done you intellectual

Edited 26 March, 2016 by whelk

[whelk]

No ... no, you haven't. The question was who are 'they'? You have failed to answer that but given that your comments were in respect of Islam and it is fair to say that a religion can't 'blow up people on a huge scale' then presumably you refer to the followers of Islam, who by definition are Muslims.

 

To answer your question ... maybe broaden your mind and realise that there are extremists/fundamentalists in all religions. Try reading this as an example:

 

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/comparing-republican-christian-values-to-islamic-fundamentalism/

 

and a quick google of christian terrorism will also answer your question. Try it with the other religions too and see what you get.

 

Btw who wrote that article? A sixth form student.

 

'Stories neither side can prove are real' A deep understanding of theology I see.

[badgerx16]

So you think there is more of a problem with Islamic terrorism than other religions?

 

The key issue with Islamic terrorists, or at least the current crop of salafist inspired fanatics, is their beleif that martyrdom sends them to heaven. They welcome violent death and have no reason whatsoever to consider negotiation, moderation, or any level of compassion towards their victims. ( I don't think we would ever hear of ISIS phoning in a coded bomb warning ). Terrorists from other persuasions have demonstrable, if sometimes deluded, aims and objectives, and generally expect to live to see their ideals materialise.

[TwoPints]

Don't forget to mention Hitler. Oh and about time you mentioned Brevik again isn't.

 

Watch out for all the radicalisation going on at the Methodist church and them briefing them to take out innocents.

 

Oh and for the broaden your mind comment you patronising ****. Well done you intellectual

 

****ing hell. What rock did you crawl out from under and thanks for your contribution - very worthwhile and incisive. You must be very proud of yourself (just to justify the patronising *** comment).

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So you think there is more of a problem with Islamic terrorism than other religions?

 

It all depends upon your perspective in life.

 

If you happen to find yourself lucky enough to be living in Brussels, Paris or London at this time then I suppose you would almost certainly see the (obviously very real) threat of extreme ISIS inspired terrorism as your primary security concern. On the other hand if you are a Muslim living in the remains of Srebrenica then you could be forgiven for looking upon your "Christian" neighbours with a equal sense of dread.

 

Ultimately your (and others) attempt on here to blame religion for the behaviour of fanatics is about as convincing as those criminals who blame their childhood for their subsequent criminality and put that forward in a attempt to avoid any personal responsibility for their actions. All religious texts are open to interpritation of course, but surely no reasonable person would conclude that Jesus Christ was somehow responsible for the Srebrenica atrocity. Neither do the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed justify what we saw in Brussels for that matter - the central message of the Christian faith is in fact one of forgiveness and compassion while (I understand) the Qur'an specifically forbids the murder of women and children.

 

So you could well argue that those who commit these terrible crimes are as much the perverters of religion as it adherants - more sacriligious than religious. It seems to me that on a deeper level the real "driver" behind terrorism has rather more to do with the percieved injustices of the modern world, and the huge gulf that exists between those regions that have prospered and those that have not, rather than scripture.

[whelk]

****ing hell. What rock did you crawl out from under and thanks for your contribution - very worthwhile and incisive. You must be very proud of yourself (just to justify the patronising *** comment).

 

You've come to this thread with all the stuff that has already been discussed but what grates is the superior morale high ground. Nothing personal just tire of this it isn't just a Muslims stuff and the feeble argument. I don't need my mind broadened. SOG will fully support you though.

[Sour Mash]

It all depends upon your perspective in life.

 

If you happen to find yourself lucky enough to be living in Brussels, Paris or London at this time then I suppose you would almost certainly see the (obviously very real) threat of extreme ISIS inspired terrorism as your primary security concern. On the other hand if you are a Muslim living in the remains of Srebrenica then you could be forgiven for looking upon your "Christian" neighbours with a equal sense of dread.

 

Ultimately your (and others) attempt on here to blame religion for the behaviour of fanatics is about as convincing as those criminals who blame their childhood for their subsequent criminality and put that forward in a attempt to avoid any personal responsibility for their actions. All religious texts are open to interpritation of course, but surely no reasonable person would conclude that Jesus Christ was somehow responsible for the Srebrenica atrocity. Neither do the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed justify what we saw in Brussels for that matter - the central message of the Christian faith is in fact one of forgiveness and compassion while (I understand) the Qur'an specifically forbids the murder of women and children.

 

So you could well argue that those who commit these terrible crimes are as much the perverters of religion as it adherants - more sacriligious than religious. It seems to me that on a deeper level the real "driver" behind terrorism has rather more to do with the percieved injustices of the modern world, and the huge gulf that exists between those regions that have prospered and those that have not, rather than scripture.

So why does Islam have far more of a problem than any other religion or way of life?

 

What is the "deeper driver" behind Boko Haram murdering and terrorising other Africans, what "perceived injustices of the modern world, and the huge gulf that exists between those regions that have prospered and those that have not" are they reacting to?

 

Why don't we see the same problem from those from other poor "have not" countries/societies?

[TwoPints]

You've come to this thread with all the stuff that has already been discussed but what grates is the superior morale high ground. Nothing personal just tire of this it isn't just a Muslims stuff and the feeble argument. I don't need my mind broadened. SOG will fully support you though.

I'm not sure I told you to broaden your mind did I? My comment was to SM. Not sure why you took offence to it.

 

I'm sorry if you took offence to my having expressed the same views as others might have done previously, maybe they needed reiterating?

 

Also not sure I've taken any superior moral high ground. Just saying it as I see it. If you happen to see those views as superior to others then fill your boots but they're not my words.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So why does Islam have far more of a problem than any other religion or way of life?

 

What is the "deeper driver" behind Boko Haram murdering and terrorising other Africans, what "perceived injustices of the modern world, and the huge gulf that exists between those regions that have prospered and those that have not" are they reacting to?

 

Why don't we see the same problem from those from other poor "have not" countries/societies?

 

If you are capable of even elementary maths then you should know that the 'balance sheet' of terror shows that many more European Muslims have been murdered by so called Christians than vice versa. For example, the Srebanica massacre alone (8,000 defenceless Muslim men and boys murdered) was many times more bloody than the Paris and Brussels atrocities combined. So your first sentence here is inaccurate.

 

As for your opinion that poverty and injustice in the world apparently does not generate all kinds of violence and criminality everywhere ... well I can only put this down to sheer ignorance on your part. Which is about 'Par for the course' when it comes to your various contributions to this thread.

[Sour Mash]

If you are capable of even elementary maths then you should know that the 'balance sheet' of terror shows that many more European Muslims have been murdered by so called Christians than vice versa. For example, the Srebanica massacre alone (8,000 defenceless Muslim men and boys murdered) was many times more bloody than the Paris and Brussels atrocities combined. So your first sentence here is inaccurate.

 

As for your opinion that poverty and injustice in the world apparently does not generate all kinds of violence and criminality everywhere ... well I can only put this down to sheer ignorance on your part. Which is about 'Par for the course' when it comes to your various contributions to this thread.

If you are capable of even elementary maths that you should know the 'balance sheet' of terror shows muslim terrorism kills far more people than any religion.

 

I didn't say that "poverty and injustice in the world apparently does not generate all kinds of violence and criminality everywhere", but stick to making stuff up and not answering my questions, makes things easier for you I know.

[TwoPints]

If you are capable of even elementary maths that you should know the 'balance sheet' of terror shows muslim terrorism kills far more people than any religion.

 

I didn't say that "poverty and injustice in the world apparently does not generate all kinds of violence and criminality everywhere", but stick to making stuff up and not answering my questions, makes things easier for you I know.

Here we go again. Post #2293. Hark at the fella who doesn't answer anyone's questions complaining that no one answers his questions.

[Sour Mash]

Here we go again. Post #2293. Hark at the fella who doesn't answer anyone's questions complaining that no one answers his questions.

I've answered all your questions, you've answered none.

 

Doesn't bother me to be honest, as you seem to struggle understanding basic points and discussions.

 

Still, keep maintaining that Buddhist and Islamic terrorism are the same problem

[TwoPints]

I've answered all your questions, you've answered none.

 

Doesn't bother me to be honest, as you seem to struggle understanding basic points and discussions.

 

Still, keep maintaining that Buddhist and Islamic terrorism are the same problem

Do you live in some sort of make believe world where you imagine you answer everyone's questions and they don't answer yours? Must be a bit weird.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If you are capable of even elementary maths that you should know the 'balance sheet' of terror shows muslim terrorism kills far more people than any religion.

 

I didn't say that "poverty and injustice in the world apparently does not generate all kinds of violence and criminality everywhere", but stick to making stuff up and not answering my questions, makes things easier for you I know.

 

I've just shown you the facts of the matter. More asinine denials from you - which again make no sense in this context - change nothing. If you really want to question that inequality and injustice does indeed cause much violence and crime throughout the world then you can provide your alternate explanation for the appalling situation blighted nations such as Mexico (for example) find themselves in.

 

I have to tell you now that previous experience with reading your posts on here does not inspire me with much hope of a astute, or even comprehensible, reply.

Edited 26 March, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[Sour Mash]

I've just shown you the facts of the matter. More asinine denials from you - which again make no sense in this context - change nothing. If you really want to question that inequality and injustice does indeed cause much violence and crime throughout the world then you can provide your alternate explanation for the appalling situation blighted nations such as Mexico (for example) find themselves in.

 

I have to tell you know that previous experience with reading your posts on here does not inspire me with much hope of a astute, or even comprehensible, reply.

And I've shown you the facts regarding the quantity of Islamic terrorism.

 

So Mexican terrorism is the same problem as Islamic terrorism?

 

Were they Mexicans flying those planes on 9/11?

[TwoPints]

I've just shown you the facts of the matter. More asinine denials from you - which again make no sense in this context - change nothing. If you really want to question that inequality and injustice does indeed cause much violence and crime throughout the world then you can provide your alternate explanation for the appalling situation blighted nations such as Mexico (for example) find themselves in.

 

I have to tell you now that previous experience with reading your posts on here does not inspire me with much hope of a astute, or even comprehensible, reply.

Unfortunately your reservations were proved right.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Yep - that is about what I was expecting.

 

But you have stumbled upon a deeply profound truth because it is undeniably true that Mexicans did not fly airliners into US targets on 9/11.

 

[Sour Mash]

Yep - that is about what I was expecting.

 

But you have stumbled upon a deeply profound truth because it is undeniably true that Mexicans did not fly airliners into US targets on 9/11.

 

And exactly what I was expecting. You can't answer a single one of the questions

 

So tell us more about this threat from Mexican terrorists?

 

And the motivation behind Boko Haram blowing up fellow Africans, motivated as "have nots" versus "haves"?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Every little question your feeble intellect has managed to summon up on here has been answered more than adaquatly. In response your stock tactic seems to be to claim that these answered questions (a child could deel with them in truth) have not been addressed and imagine that you are therefore victorious in some sense. In fact EVERYONE on here can see through this.

 

But if you feel that the appalling violence of the Mexican drug cartels is radically different from other types of terrorism we see in the world then explain why that is so. Personally I doubt that you could find Mexico with a map tattooed to your head let alone understand the issue.

[CB Fry]

It all depends upon your perspective in life.

 

If you happen to find yourself lucky enough to be living in Brussels, Paris or London at this time then I suppose you would almost certainly see the (obviously very real) threat of extreme ISIS inspired terrorism as your primary security concern. On the other hand if you are a Muslim living in the remains of Srebrenica then you could be forgiven for looking upon your "Christian" neighbours with a equal sense of dread.

 

Ultimately your (and others) attempt on here to blame religion for the behaviour of fanatics is about as convincing as those criminals who blame their childhood for their subsequent criminality and put that forward in a attempt to avoid any personal responsibility for their actions. All religious texts are open to interpritation of course, but surely no reasonable person would conclude that Jesus Christ was somehow responsible for the Srebrenica atrocity. Neither do the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed justify what we saw in Brussels for that matter - the central message of the Christian faith is in fact one of forgiveness and compassion while (I understand) the Qur'an specifically forbids the murder of women and children.

 

So you could well argue that those who commit these terrible crimes are as much the perverters of religion as it adherants - more sacriligious than religious. It seems to me that on a deeper level the real "driver" behind terrorism has rather more to do with the percieved injustices of the modern world, and the huge gulf that exists between those regions that have prospered and those that have not, rather than scripture.

 

 

How on earth is the horrific genocide at Srebanica remotely comparable to people walking into Concert Halls, Metro Stations and Airports machine gunning/nail bombing people. Even using it in this context is pretty effing contemptible on your part.

 

It's a common theme on this thread of course, the desperate trawling of history for "Christian Terrorism" but fail to see how it is anything other that utterly facile and pointless whataboutery signifying absolutely nothing.

 

I'm sure some bright spark on here will be back to that world famous "religious" war World War Two any post now. Apparently some British Soldiers in Ypres had Bibles, you know. Just like them lads from Leeds on 7/7. Indistinguishable. Just the same. All them religions, eh? What are they like?

Edited 26 March, 2016 by CB Fry

[Sour Mash]

Every little question your feeble intellect has managed to summon up on here has been answered more than adaquatly. In response your stock tactic seems to be to claim that these answered questions (a child could deel with them in truth) have not been addressed and imagine that you are therefore victorious in some sense. In fact EVERYONE on here can see through this.

 

But if you feel that the appalling violence of the Mexican drug cartels is radically different from other types of terrorism we see in the world then explain why that is so. Personally I doubt that you could find Mexico with a map tattooed to your head let alone understand the issue.

So no answers but a post full of angry insults. Speaks volumes I guess, but don't let it get you so worked up. If you can't answer, just say so.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

How on earth is the horrific genocide at Srebanica remotely comparable to people walking into Concert Halls, Metro Stations and Airports machine gunning/nail bombing people...

 

You feel that Serbian attempts to brutally terrorise Bosnian Muslims into submission and therefore assist in their attempt to "ethnically cleanse" the region don't count as a form of terror like behaviour ?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So no answers but a post full of angry insults. Speaks volumes I guess, but don't let it get you so worked up. If you can't answer, just say so.

 

It's not a insult if it's true and what of your profound questions would like me to reply to again?

[Sour Mash]

It's not a insult if it's true and what of your profound questions would like me to reply to again?

Any of them, just whatever you think you can manage.

[CB Fry]

You feel that Serbian attempts to brutally terrorise Bosnian Muslims into submission and therefore assist in their attempt to "ethnically cleanse" the region don't count as a form of terror like behaviour ?

 

What has happened in Brussels, London and Paris and all those other places was not a fu cking genocide. To me that is pretty obvious. Not to you though.

 

Comparing it to Srebrenica is contemptible.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

What has happened in Brussels, London and Paris and all those other places was not a fu cking genocide. To me that is pretty obvious. Not to you though.

 

Comparing it to Srebrenica is contemptible.

 

No, comparing one act of terror with another is reasonable in context. But if you disagree for some reason then please expand on your reasons why so that we might debate the matter further.

[TwoPints]

What has happened in Brussels, London and Paris and all those other places was not a fu cking genocide. To me that is pretty obvious. Not to you though.

 

Comparing it to Srebrenica is contemptible.

I believe one of the aims of ISIS is indeed genocide, of all 'non-believers'. Their modus operandi might be different but their goal is not.

[CB Fry]

No, comparing one act of terror with another is reasonable in context. But if you disagree for some reason then please expand on your reasons why so that we might debate the matter further.

 

You can compare them if you like, but they're not comparable. Srebrenica was state-controlled and directed genocide, the event in the title of this thread and the subsequent connected events is not that, in any way whatsoever.

 

If there is evidence, reporting, official statements or videos from IS that the events in the title of this thread and the subsequent related events are directly connected to those events in the balkans during mid nineties then please do put them up here.

 

Otherwise you are just participating in ham-fisted and utterly contemptible meaningless comparisons. Just gratuitous ticking off a "Hey look, this is, like, Christian terrorism" on your Christian Terrorism bingo card.

 

Several thousand Muslims did not die so you could smug it up on a football forum. Beneath contempt.

[Batman]

A bit odd in debating the impact on western and peaceful Islamic culture in the west by bringing in stuff that happened 20-odd years ago.

Or other completely, unconnected random terrorist acts around the world

 

There is an evil element of islam that has made its way from the Middle East to Western Europe. No doubt helped by the EUs liberalism, but that is another story.

 

But not debating what to do about this evil form of Islam is dangerous to us all here in Western Europe. Including peaceful Muslims who live here

 

What that has to do with Bosnia 20 odd years ago or something kicking off in down town Mexico City, I don't know

[CB Fry]

I believe one of the aims of ISIS is indeed genocide, of all 'non-believers'. Their modus operandi might be different but their goal is not.

 

What happened in Brussels was not genocide. Or Paris. Or London.

[Sour Mash]

What that has to do with Bosnia 20 odd years ago or something kicking off in down town Mexico City, I don't know

Deflection/avoidance I think.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

You can compare them if you like, but they're not comparable. Srebrenica was state-controlled and directed genocide, the event in the title of this thread and the subsequent connected events is not that, in any way whatsoever.

 

If there is evidence, reporting, official statements or videos from IS that the events in the title of this thread and the subsequent related events are directly connected to those events in the balkans during mid nineties then please do put them up here.

 

Otherwise you are just participating in ham-fisted and utterly contemptible meaningless comparisons. Just gratuitous ticking off a "Hey look, this is, like, Christian terrorism" on your Christian Terrorism bingo card.

 

Several thousand Muslims did not die so you could smug it up on a football forum. Beneath contempt.

 

Your new found - and entirly bogus - sense of moral probity reeks of hypocrisy given your record on here. Methinks the real reason mention of the Srebanica massacre upsets you so is that twenty odd pages ago you decided (unwisely) to issue a challenge daring people to list examples of so called "Christian" massacre events that you clearly doubted had ever occured. The number of examples that were provided soon showed you up as the fool that you are.

 

Indeed, that old wound just won't heal will it Fry ... I should try putting some ointment on it if I were you.

Edited 26 March, 2016 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[whelk]

Same as Maidstone, same as the Balkans. Baffles me as to why liberal lefties seems at pains to not seem to criticise something so at odds with their thinking yet seem to want to put any western crime (or genocide) as a Christian thing.

They love having a go at Christianity or Judaism but somehow want to protect Islam.

[hypochondriac]

Christ I see there has been little change on here. People desperately scrabbling around trying to compare a massacre that happened over 20 years ago with the Paris attacks. Why is it so difficult for certain posters to admit that there is clearly a radical element within Islam that is a problem that doesn't currently exist in the same way among other world religions. Here and now. In 2016.its really not a particularly difficult thing to grasp but it's caused ever such a lot of problems seemingly.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

A bit odd in debating the impact on western and peaceful Islamic culture in the west by bringing in stuff that happened 20-odd years ago.

Or other completely, unconnected random terrorist acts around the world

 

There is an evil element of islam that has made its way from the Middle East to Western Europe. No doubt helped by the EUs liberalism, but that is another story.

 

But not debating what to do about this evil form of Islam is dangerous to us all here in Western Europe. Including peaceful Muslims who live here

 

What that has to do with Bosnia 20 odd years ago or something kicking off in down town Mexico City, I don't know

 

Well various representations have been made on here of late that some forum members where becoming rather bored with the same points being discussed 'ad naseam'. In a valiant effort to oblige them, I am attempting to put the concept of terror into a wider and more comprehensive context and question whether it is purley a religious phenomena as some seem to assume.

[TwoPints]

What happened in Brussels was not genocide. Or Paris. Or London.

 

The reason it doesn't seem so is merely because ISIS don't have the resources in Europe to do so. If they had, then that would clearly be their aim.

 

It's been their aim in the middle east for some time where many thousands of Muslims have been killed because they're Shia rather than Sunni Muslims:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/u-s-weighs-genocide-label-1298023405674550.html

 

Many many more Muslims have been killed by ISIS that non-Muslims hence the reason we see people desperate to escape their grasp. The sooner ISIS is destroyed the sooner these horrific actions will cease.

[hypochondriac]

The reason it doesn't seem so is merely because ISIS don't have the resources in Europe to do so. If they had, then that would clearly be their aim.

 

It's been their aim in the middle east for some time where many thousands of Muslims have been killed because they're Shia rather than Sunni Muslims:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/u-s-weighs-genocide-label-1298023405674550.html

 

Many many more Muslims have been killed by ISIS that non-Muslims hence the reason we see people desperate to escape their grasp. The sooner ISIS is destroyed the sooner these horrific actions will cease.

 

Just because they would like to commit genocide in Europe does not mean that they have. Other than that it's another stating the obvious post. Everyone already knows this.

Edited 26 March, 2016 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

Same as Maidstone, same as the Balkans. Baffles me as to why liberal lefties seems at pains to not seem to criticise something so at odds with their thinking yet seem to want to put any western crime (or genocide) as a Christian thing.

They love having a go at Christianity or Judaism but somehow want to protect Islam.

 

Yet in the next breadth are slamming people for on here at every opportunity for the slightest suggestion of homophobia, racism and sexism, which are all openly encouraged in the Koran. It really is odd that they will stop at nothing to protect a religion which supports the things they claim to be against themselves.

[TwoPints]

Same as Maidstone, same as the Balkans. Baffles me as to why liberal lefties seems at pains to not seem to criticise something so at odds with their thinking yet seem to want to put any western crime (or genocide) as a Christian thing.

They love having a go at Christianity or Judaism but somehow want to protect Islam.

Exactly where has that been said Whelk? I read some of your earlier posts on this thread and they made sense but your latest posts seem like the ramblings of a confused man.

 

I'm happy to criticise those that need criticising but there are many people on here who seemingly blame Muslims ad nauseum for anything and the references to other atrocities are attempts to show that it's not just extremist Muslims that are capable of such things, extremists of all religions are capable of horrific deeds. I'm not sure why you and Hypo have trouble understanding that.

 

No one's 'having a go' at Christianity or Judaism but merely making the point to those that struggle to understand, that there are extremists is all religions to give some perspective.

[hypochondriac]

Exactly where has that been said Whelk? I read some of your earlier posts on this thread and they made sense but your latest posts seem like the ramblings of a confused man.

 

I'm happy to criticise those that need criticising but there are many people on here who seemingly blame Muslims ad nauseum for anything and the references to other atrocities are attempts to show that it's not just extremist Muslims that are capable of such things, extremists of all religions are capable of horrific deeds. I'm not sure why you and Hypo have trouble understanding that.

 

No one's 'having a go' at Christianity or Judaism but merely making the point to those that struggle to understand, that there are extremists is all religions to give some perspective.

 

Where has anyone- especially myself and whelk- shown the slightest difficulty in understanding that people from all religions are capable of horrific deeds? You've invented that difficulty in your own head. Please point out a post where either I or Whelk have shown a difficulty in understanding that extremists from all religions are capable of horrific deeds. When you can't do that you could have the decency to apologise but that's probably expecting too much.

[Sour Mash]

but merely making the point to those that struggle to understand, that there are extremists is all religions to give some perspective.

No-one has said there aren't extremists in all religions and communities. You're making stuff up yet again.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Yet in the next breadth are slamming people for on here at every opportunity for the slightest suggestion of homophobia, racism and sexism, which are all openly encouraged in the Koran. It really is odd that they will stop at nothing to protect a religion which supports the things they claim to be against themselves.

 

But you will agree that any religious text that was written many centuries ago is highly likely to include viewpoints that were prevalent at that time but are now deemed to be outdated, if not damn right offensive, in this day and age. There are passages in the old testament too that many modern Christians would find unacceptable.

[hypochondriac]

But you will agree that any religious text that was written many centuries ago is highly likely to include viewpoints that were prevalent at that time but are now deemed to be outdated, if not damn right offensive, in this day and age. There are passages in the old testament too that many modern Christians would find unacceptable.

 

Absolutely agreed. There are objectionable passages within most old religious texts. Not sure why that is relevant though.

[TwoPints]

Yet in the next breadth are slamming people for on here at every opportunity for the slightest suggestion of homophobia, racism and sexism, which are all openly encouraged in the Koran. It really is odd that they will stop at nothing to protect a religion which supports the things they claim to be against themselves.

I don't protect anyone which supports homophobia, racism or sexism but to suggest that the Koran is alone in that is naive in the extreme. The Bible has plenty of examples of homophobia and sexism and the barriers around this are still being argued within churches now.

 

Quite what that has to do with the subject matter of the thread though, I don't know.

[whelk]

But you will agree that any religious text that was written many centuries ago is highly likely to include viewpoints that were prevalent at that time but are now deemed to be outdated, if not damn right offensive, in this day and age. There are passages in the old testament too that many modern Christians would find unacceptable.

 

Haven't seen too many gay people being thrown out of buildings in the west lately.

 

Or much of burning people in cages and filming it.

 

They are a barbaric religious death cult that have got far more traction, influence and impact than ever experienced. Yet all you seem want to say is what about this from the past.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Absolutely agreed. There are objectionable passages within most old religious texts. Not sure why that is relevant though.

 

Well the point was raised as a specific critism of Islam. I'm pleased to see that we both agree the issue is indeed a wider one than that.

[TwoPints]

Where has anyone- especially myself and whelk- shown the slightest difficulty in understanding that people from all religions are capable of horrific deeds? You've invented that difficulty in your own head. Please point out a post where either I or Whelk have shown a difficulty in understanding that extremists from all religions are capable of horrific deeds. When you can't do that you could have the decency to apologise but that's probably expecting too much.

How about this one?

Haven't seen too many gay people being thrown out of buildings in the west lately.

 

Or much of burning people in cages and filming it.

 

They are a barbaric religious death cult that have got far more traction, influence and impact than ever experienced. Yet all you seem want to say is what about this from the past.

I await your apology.

[hypochondriac]

Haven't seen too many gay people being thrown out of buildings in the west lately.

 

Or much of burning people in cages and filming it.

 

They are a barbaric religious death cult that have got far more traction, influence and impact than ever experienced. Yet all you seem want to say is what about this from the past.

 

Tbf I believe he was referring specifically to the religious text rather than the wider religion. But I take your point.

[whelk]

How about this one?

 

I await your apology.

 

Your point?

[TwoPints]

Your point?

Read the thread