TwoPints Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 people trotting out Anders Brevik as if it is comparable to ISIS attacks on the west. It does your argument no favours and shows you don't really grasp the severity of the issues. Doesn't seem sensible debate here as right wingers up against weak apologists. I don't see anyone apologising for anything on here. Not sure where you got that from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 'Paying the price' - you really think these fckers need motives? No I don't, but Batman seems to have a problem with the attack being carried out in Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 No I don't, but Batman seems to have a problem with the attack being carried out in Belgium. Of course I have a problem with attacks being carried out in belgium. (or anywhere) don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 No I don't, but Batman seems to have a problem with the attack being carried out in Belgium. His point is that they don't need to have a justification as much as the pinkos want to excuse by saying its our fault for causing etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I don't see anyone apologising for anything on here. Not sure where you got that from. I haven't read it all in detail but seems same arguments as after Paris with people saying nothing to do with Islam, just same as mentally ill white shooters in west. nazis were Christian and other facile points. Ultimately Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilisation. I don't hold same extreme views as others but it is a problem for the west and those who want to deny this are naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I haven't read it all in detail but seems same arguments as after Paris with people saying nothing to do with Islam Haven't seen anyone saying that. just same as mentally ill white shooters in west. nazis were Christian and other facile points. No one's said that either. Just asking why Batman seemingly wants to stop Muslims coming here after the terrorist attacks committed by Islamist extremists but seems to take a different view when the terrorists happens to be white Christian European. Ultimately Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilisation. No its not. That's your view but it's not fact. The fact that some extremists twist it to fit their own means doesn't mean that all believers of the religion share that same extreme view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I haven't read it all in detail but seems same arguments as after Paris with people saying nothing to do with Islam, just same as mentally ill white shooters in west. nazis were Christian and other facile points. Ultimately Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilisation. I don't hold same extreme views as others but it is a problem for the west and those who want to deny this are naive. How is Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilization It maybe there are aggressive people making it look like it is not unlike the Nationalist and Union Thugs in Northern Ireland. But I must admit is is very hard to control people who are hell bent on blowing themselves up so they can be a martyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 How is Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilization It maybe there are aggressive people making it look like it is not unlike the Nationalist and Union Thugs in Northern Ireland. But I must admit is is very hard to control people who are hell bent on blowing themselves up so they can be a martyr So you see no difference between Middle East cultures and Western Europe? Nice to see them all embracing democracy and tolerance just like us. This is my point as someone mention it people are at pains to say it isn't as if anyone saying it is some uneducated EDL member. Same culture behind Rotherham etc not being investigated cos hey that would be the thoughts of an ignorant racist because all cultures view western teen girls the same of course. So don't make judgments you nasty people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Haven't seen anyone saying that. No one's said that either. Just asking why Batman seemingly wants to stop Muslims coming here after the terrorist attacks committed by Islamist extremists but seems to take a different view when the terrorists happens to be white Christian European. No its not. That's your view but it's not fact. The fact that some extremists twist it to fit their own means doesn't mean that all believers of the religion share that same extreme view. No one is saying that. However look at those that denounce - I know people will say many do but read what the scholars say and there is truth in that. Look at Molenbeek - do you think if everyone was appalled and wanting it stopped that they could have harbour for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 How is Islam is an aggressive religion at odds with Western civilization They blow people up on a huge scale. Women can't leave their homes without covering their heads. Banning basic every day food and drink items. The biggest religious building in one of UK's biggest cities is run and controlled by this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 His point is that they don't need to have a justification as much as the pinkos want to excuse by saying its our fault for causing etc Pinkos? So you don't think that the West's intervention in the Middle East (thanks to the oil) has anything to do with what is happening at the moment? And if Islam is such a violent religion why are the 1 billion or so Muslims taking to the streets with pitchforks to bring us Infidels to our knees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 They blow people up on a huge scale. Women can't leave their homes without covering their heads. Banning basic every day food and drink items. The biggest religious building in one of UK's biggest cities is run and controlled by this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123 I have seen some generalisations in my time but this takes the biscuit. "They." ??? All 1 billion of them??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 They blow people up on a huge scale. Women can't leave their homes without covering their heads. Banning basic every day food and drink items. The biggest religious building in one of UK's biggest cities is run and controlled by this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 They blow people up on a huge scale. ....... Banning basic every day food and drink items. Who are "they"? If we are talking IS then they have killed tens of thousands more middle eastern Muslims than westerners. And what are these food and drink items that they ban ? Are they any different from the ones Orthodox Jews shun ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Who are "they"? If we are talking IS then they have killed tens of thousands more middle eastern Muslims than westerners. And what are these food and drink items that they ban ? Are they any different from the ones Orthodox Jews shun ? You're just making his point for him confirming that they do indeed blow up tens of thousands of people. And tell me you know the difference between shunning something and making possession of it illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 You're just making his point for him confirming that they do indeed blow up tens of thousands of people. And tell me you know the difference between shunning something and making possession of it illegal. Its not a complex point - there is no they. Unless you are happy being in a 'they' group with Karadzic, Anders Breivnik and Adam Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Its not a complex point - there is no they. Unless you are happy being in a 'they' group with Karadzic, Anders Breivnik and Adam Johnson? You should tell badger, he thinks there is. And your considered opinion on the food and drink point he made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) You should tell badger, he thinks there is. And your considered opinion on the food and drink point he made? Its all about different sects within the same religion. You have some extreme Muslims, Jews, Hindus, even Christians and Buddhists and you have the liberal live and let live types too. You can have a boozy eat what you like life in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Kazahstan, Turkey, Morocco, Oman, Jordan, Lebanon etc etc. I find it odd that we ally with the most repressive regime and the biggest exporter of hate, Saudi Arabia. Edited 25 March, 2016 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Its all about different sects within the same religion. You have some extreme Muslims, Jews, Hindus, even Christians and Buddhists and you have the liberal live and let live types too. You can have a boozy eat what you like life in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Kazahstan, Turkey, Morocco, Oman, Jordan, Lebanon etc etc. I find it odd that we ally with the most repressive regime and the biggest exporter of hate, Saudi Arabia. I agree with you, and my point was whatever you might think about Sour Mashes politics, his post highlighting huge cultural conflicts between Muslim states and secular liberal Western society is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) You're just making his point for him confirming that they do indeed blow up tens of thousands of people. And tell me you know the difference between shunning something and making possession of it illegal. But when the 'tens of thousands' are Muslim, what is Sour's reaction ? It seems at face value that there are double standards in force, as it seems all Muslims are the same in his eyes. Also, are these foodstuffs 'banned' by Islam, or just by the fanatical, despotic, IS ? Edited 25 March, 2016 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Another one just thwarted in Belgium two in a day Just another day/week in western Europe. hardly news these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Pinkos? So you don't think that the West's intervention in the Middle East (thanks to the oil) has anything to do with what is happening at the moment? And if Islam is such a violent religion why are the 1 billion or so Muslims taking to the streets with pitchforks to bring us Infidels to our knees? I had enough of this last time I'm afraid and got nowhere as all you come back with everytime is not all muslims are terrorists. Been said before but you like to polarise any opposing viewpoint and take the high ground against an opposing opinion in your own head. Yeah everyone is saying there are 1 billion terrorists. You go and correct them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Also, are these foodstuffs 'banned' by Islam, or just by the fanatical, despotic, IS ? To be fair, if you don't know that then why are you posting about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I had enough of this last time I'm afraid and got nowhere as all you come back with everytime is not all muslims are terrorists. Been said before but you like to polarise any opposing viewpoint and take the high ground against an opposing opinion in your own head. Yeah everyone is saying there are 1 billion terrorists. You go and correct them. This is partly why I'm taking a break from this sort of ill informed nonsense. It's like banging your head against a very large wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) I agree with you, and my point was whatever you might think about Sour Mashes politics, his post highlighting huge cultural conflicts between Muslim states and secular liberal Western society is correct. Thats not my reading of his posts. He wants to tarnish all Muslims because a tiny percentage became terrorists after lapping up an extreme version of Islam, often whilst in prison for very unIslamic crimes like theft and drugs ironically. There have been all kinds of mistakes in past immigration policy - taking too many people from the same conservative rural regions, not requiring language skills or assimilation, giving sanctuary to preachers convicted of terrorism overseas. They have created the conditions whereby perhaps one in 1,500 of this generation have gone off to join IS. 1,499 out of 1,500 haven't and have become dentists, doctors, accountants, shop workers and do the same things as everybody else. What we need is to tweak practice so we eliminate the 1 in 1,500, not the BNP approach which would victimise the innocent and ironically breed the kind of alienation we are trying to stop. Edited 25 March, 2016 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Interesting article about Molenbeek and the discontent amongst Muslims http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35890960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I find it odd that we ally with the most repressive regime and the biggest exporter of hate, Saudi Arabia. Ah, but they're "good" Muslims who also happen to buy lots of arms from the UK, never mind that they publicly behead women, crack down hard on the slightest criticism of the ruling family and export the Wahabi brand of intolerant Islam. Interestingly, the ITV/PBS documentary "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" which was shown earlier in the week has been pulled from the ITV website but you can see it on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZK_Jx8VQd0 It's worth a watch to see a true picture of the type of regime Cameron sucks up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Interesting article about Molenbeek and the discontent amongst Muslims http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35890960 this is what mass, uncontrolled immigration brings you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 the ITV/PBS documentary "Saudi Arabia Uncovered" which was shown earlier in the week has been pulled from the ITV website but you can see it on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZK_Jx8VQd0 It's worth a watch to see a true picture of the type of regime Cameron sucks up to. I'll check it out, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) this is what mass, uncontrolled immigration brings you Whoosh. It shows you that joining IS is to do with having poor achievement, a criminal background, an anti social personality and a history of unIslamic behaviour. Getting paid to drive around in pickup trucks, rape, kill and be top dog - is more exciting and attractive for some people than being bottom of the pile in prison or working minimum wage jobs with no prospects. Dressing it up in Islamic clothing as God's work is just to silence any annoying voices from the conscience. Edited 25 March, 2016 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 this is what mass, uncontrolled immigration brings you We have had immigration for hundreds of years it is only in the last twenty or so years we have seen the rise of ISIS and other similar groups I am not condoning violence in any way but there must be some reason why it is happening lets face it our country up the 1960s was responsible for some pretty awful violence in its colonies and the centenary of the 1916 rising bears this out. We are still doing it to some extent bombing Syria and Iraq but we seem to live in a pretty poorly led era where our leaders are not up to the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 this is what mass, uncontrolled immigration brings you I cant recall crossing any border that didn't have controls. Where exactly are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) This is partly why I'm taking a break from this sort of ill informed nonsense. It's like banging your head against a very large wall. I see. So you haven't bottled the confrontation with Islamphobic posters then? Hmmm. What part of not all Muslims are terrorists is ill informed Hypo??? Edited 25 March, 2016 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I had enough of this last time I'm afraid and got nowhere as all you come back with everytime is not all muslims are terrorists. Been said before but you like to polarise any opposing viewpoint and take the high ground against an opposing opinion in your own head. Yeah everyone is saying there are 1 billion terrorists. You go and correct them. I (and others) have made the point many many times because it seems that some posters seem to think that we have a problem with all Muslims. Have you not been following the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Of course I have a problem with attacks being carried out in belgium. (or anywhere) don't you? Yes I do. But you seem to think that somehow Belgium shouldn't be including because, and correct me if I am wrong, they haven't been involved in doing nasty things in the Middle East. You asked twice what the Belgiums have done to deserve the bombings did you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 March, 2016 Author Share Posted 25 March, 2016 I have seen some generalisations in my time but this takes the biscuit. "They." ??? All 1 billion of them??? For Whelk and Hypo specifically. My response was to the post that said that "They blow people up on a huge scale" etc. There was no part of the post that said he was talking about terrorists. Are you okay with that statement as it stands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 For Whelk and Hypo specifically. My response was to the post that said that "They blow people up on a huge scale" etc. There was no part of the post that said he was talking about terrorists. Are you okay with that statement as it stands? I am bored now I'm afraid. Thanks for the groundbreaking revelations as always. Out if interest do you see any issues. Or have any concerns whatsoever with the Islamic way of life and the culture of the Middle East? Oh and save your breath enlightening as to there being different cultures within the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 To be fair, if you don't know that then why are you posting about it? Because I want Sour to educate and inform me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Because I want Sour to educate and inform me. It's good that a man should have a ambition, but I fear you may have set your sights rather high here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 (edited) I have seen some generalisations in my time but this takes the biscuit. "They." ??? All 1 billion of them??? I (and others) have made the point many many times because it seems that some posters seem to think that we have a problem with all Muslims. Have you not been following the thread? For Whelk and Hypo specifically. My response was to the post that said that "They blow people up on a huge scale" etc. There was no part of the post that said he was talking about terrorists. Are you okay with that statement as it stands? Even you can't be thick enough to think that anyone on this thread thinks or even suggests that all Muslims are terrorists. I know you love it, because it gives you the fish-in-a--barrel easy win for you to grandstand against an entirely fictional standpoint but for Allah's sake give it a flamin' rest. So this is it. Here's your recognition. Have a fu cking medal. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Well done. Jolly well done. What insight. What a brave position to take against all of no one that thinks that on here. So brave. You're so much more gooderer and superior to everyone else it's untrue. I've let the PM know and he's sending a car round in the morning. Your groundbreaking insight is wasted on this football forum when there are far knottier geopolitical challenges for you take on. Get out there and change minds. Edited 25 March, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 For Whelk and Hypo specifically. My response was to the post that said that "They blow people up on a huge scale" etc. There was no part of the post that said he was talking about terrorists. Are you okay with that statement as it stands? Do you really think that when someone says "they" they actually mean every single Muslim? Does every post on here have to contain the caveat that not every Muslim is a terrorist at every opportunity? I think we've been over this point enough times on this very thread that it doesn't have to be repeated ad nauseum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Do you really think that when someone says "they" they actually mean every single Muslim? Does every post on here have to contain the caveat that not every Muslim is a terrorist at every opportunity? I think we've been over this point enough times on this very thread that it doesn't have to be repeated ad nauseum. You clearly haven't read all posts on here hypo as that's clearly wants been implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 You clearly haven't read all posts on here hypo as that's clearly wants been implied. Making stuff up as usual I see. You just can't help yourself I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 The peaceful religion strikes again. Let's hear the excuses for this one, of you go. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3509367/Muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-death-hours-posted-happy-Easter-message.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 You clearly haven't read all posts on here hypo as that's clearly wants been implied. Where is that implied? One or two posters may have stated that at one point but just for the avoidance of any doubt anyone who actually says that and believes it is a total idiot. I shouldn't have to point out something so obvious but I'm doing a soggy and pointing it out anyway so I can feel superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 The peaceful religion strikes again. Let's hear the excuses for this one, of you go. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3509367/Muslim-shopkeeper-stabbed-death-hours-posted-happy-Easter-message.html No one is going to defend what sounds like a disgusting and inexcusable crime. It maybe a good idea to wait until someone is actually convicted and the motivation is known before suggesting it has any sort of relevance whatsoever to this thread though. That would also make you look like less of a thick ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 No one is going to defend what sounds like a disgusting and inexcusable crime. It maybe a good idea to wait until someone is actually convicted and the motivation is known before suggesting it has any sort of relevance whatsoever to this thread though. That would also make you look like less of a thick ****. "That would also make you look like less of a thick ****" said the person who's immediately resorting to abuse and swearing such is their desperation to defend their position. You couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 "That would also make you look like less of a thick ****" said the person who's immediately resorting to abuse and swearing such is their desperation to defend their position. You couldn't make it up. What position? Sorry about the swearing, I know you're a delicate thing. I'm not defending anyone. I think all religious nutters are utter fools and violent ones are scum. It's just that what you just wrote is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 25 March, 2016 Share Posted 25 March, 2016 Making stuff up as usual I see. You just can't help yourself I guess. See post #2293. Nothing else to say really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 26 March, 2016 Share Posted 26 March, 2016 (edited) Good use of police time? Charges dropped but still. Being a complete dckhead isn't a crime http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brussels-attacks-croydon-man-matthew-doyle-charged-tweet-confronting-muslim-woman-brussels-attacks-a6951711.html Edited 26 March, 2016 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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