Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[buctootim]

Quote of the day!

 

The news channels love it. The more tragedy, death, flowers, tears, bowed-heads, moments of silence, candles,

looped-clips of explosions, gunfire and terrified people the better.

 

Ha, thanks! I lost faith in it though and toned it down

[sadoldgit]

Quote of the day!

 

The news channels love it. The more tragedy, death, flowers, tears, bowed-heads, moments of silence, candles,

looped-clips of explosions, gunfire and terrified people the better.

 

Would you prefer that they ignored to cover a major World news event?

[sadoldgit]

Did the scenes from Brussels this week remind you of a night out in Maidstone?

 

You really are a ***t. Feel free and go and find where I said a scene of a terrorist atrocity is like a night out in Maidstone.

[eurosaint]

Herewith the view of a Muslim journalist and author which I consider backs up my assertion that Muslim families can do more to repel radicalism !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3507086/Why-no-one-admit-way-western-Muslims-raise-children-fomenting-terror.html

(I am aware that this was published in the Daily Mail which will predictably be treated with scorn by the usual suspects but her credentials stand up to scrutiny)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasmin_Alibhai-Brown

[sadoldgit]

There are approx. 1 billion Muslims spread around the world. How many grow up to become terrorists do you think? Clearly there is a problem among some regarding radicalisation that needs to be addressed.

[eurosaint]

There are approx. 1 billion Muslims spread around the world. How many grow up to become terrorists do you think? Clearly there is a problem among some regarding radicalisation that needs to be addressed.

 

Obviously a very small minority but having travelled extensively in Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia over the years I was always surprised (in conversation) by the unequivocal support for anything to do with Islam, no matter how extreme the circumstances and condemnation for atrocities was almost unheard of !

Yes, radicalisation is the problem but in my opinion the only solution lies in the hands of the Muslim people, not with westerners !

[Chalkboy]

Would you prefer that they ignored to cover a major World news event?

 

 

I would prefer they reported responsibly, realise that they are doing exactly what the terrorists want them to do, and refrained from soaking us all in emotion, fear and over-dramatisation. Did you read the link I posted earlier?

 

Here it is again http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium

 

Here's an excerpt

 

"So on Tuesday the TV news channels behaved like Isis recruiting sergeants. Their blanket hyperbole showed not the slightest restraint (nor for that matter did that of most newspapers). The BBC flew Huw Edwards to Brussels. It flashed horror across the airwaves continually for 24 hours, incanting the words “panic”, “threat”, “menace” and “terror”. Vox pops wallowed in blood and guts. One reporter rode a London tube escalator to show possible future targets, to scare the wits out of commuters. It was a terrorist’s wildest dream."

[derry]

Estimated 5000 ISIS fighters infiltrated into the EU, 360ish returned to the UK. Too late to close the stable door. It's only a matter of time until the next soft target is attacked. The great majority of muslims are peaceful and no threat. On the other hand the radical jihadists and preachers etc are a clear and present threat. In the last war aliens were interned until the end of hostilities. If the present situation escalates internment may be an action that is tried by desperate governments.

 

Iraq, blame Blair and Bush for tearing the lid off, carrying out illegal war and regime change. Libya, blame Cameron and Sarkozy getting rid of Gaddafi. Syria, Cameron again this time with the useless Qbama trying for regime change and to bomb Assad's forces. That didn't work because the Russians got it right. Hussein, Gaddafi and Assad are /were dictators who oppressed the population but kept a lid on the terrorists.

 

Until Blair, Bush, Cameron and Sarkozy took a hand there were no circumstances that caused the mass migration we see now. Libya wasn't a route for African migrants and Iraq and Syria were relatively stable. What we have now is a self inflicted situation caused by idiots.

[benjii]

I would prefer they reported responsibly, realise that they are doing exactly what the terrorists want them to do, and refrained from soaking us all in emotion, fear and over-dramatisation. Did you read the link I posted earlier?

 

Here it is again http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium

 

Here's an excerpt

 

"So on Tuesday the TV news channels behaved like Isis recruiting sergeants. Their blanket hyperbole showed not the slightest restraint (nor for that matter did that of most newspapers). The BBC flew Huw Edwards to Brussels. It flashed horror across the airwaves continually for 24 hours, incanting the words “panic”, “threat”, “menace” and “terror”. Vox pops wallowed in blood and guts. One reporter rode a London tube escalator to show possible future targets, to scare the wits out of commuters. It was a terrorist’s wildest dream."

 

Completely agree.

 

Tonight on ITV, "New: Europe Under Attack".

 

Screeching, arm-flailing nonsense.

[Johnny Bognor]

Until Blair, Bush, Cameron and Sarkozy took a hand there were no circumstances that caused the mass migration we see now. Libya wasn't a route for African migrants and Iraq and Syria were relatively stable. What we have now is a self inflicted situation caused by idiots.

 

We used to have empires run by emperors and kingdoms run by kings. We now have countries run by...

[holepuncture]

I believe Verbal gave you a list that you've chosen to ignore apart from another of your pointless glib comments.

 

What I'm struggling to understand is the benefit of having you in Western Europe to be honest.

 

Not a benefit as such, but I doubt Sour is involved in beheadings, paedo rape gangs, domestic terrorism, international terrorism and a viscous hatred of the western world.

 

I know who I'd rather have my back.

 

I fear that by the time people wake up and realise just how big a mess mass muslim immigration has caused and is going to cause, it will be too late.

[buctootim]

We used to have empires run by emperors and kingdoms run by kings. We now have countries run by...

 

Edited 24 March, 2016 by buctootim

[ScepticalStan]

There are oriental Uighur Muslims in China

There are Arab Muslims

There are Muslims from the Indian subcontinent

There are white caucasian Muslims in Bosnia

 

Islam isn't a race. Criticising it is not racist. This isn't up for debate I'm afraid.

 

Oh dear another made up statement presented as fact. Under the United Nations Charter Racism or "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

And whilst the term Religion is not used case law has established that discrimination on religious grounds falls under this charter.

 

Nope. Racist = discrimination on the basis of race. Islam isn't a race any more than supporting Manchester United is a race.

 

You can no more be racist against Muslims than you can be against Manchester United fans.

 

Sorry old boy, but words have meanings, and when the best definition you can dig up to try and disprove that fact doesn't even contradict it in the slightest, then you're fighting a losing battle.

 

I agree with you. It isn't racist but I guess that term is being used as it sounds better than religionist. Whatever, they are still both "hate crimes."

 

What about disliking Islam rather than Muslims?

 

Islam is openly homophobic and the Qu'ran calls for the stoning to death of homosexuals.

 

Can you answer me (hard mode: without whataboutery regarding other religions) whether a gay man ought to be convicted of prejudice or a hate crime for disliking a belief system that argues he should be killed for who he is?

 

Hatred against Muslims is wrong and unjust. Hatred of Islam is completely reasonable. Just as with Germans/Naziism.

[Chalkboy]

 

Jesus wept

Edited 24 March, 2016 by Chalkboy

[badgerx16]

 

Islam is openly homophobic and the Qu'ran calls for the stoning to death of homosexuals.f

 

Can you answer me (hard mode: without whataboutery regarding other religions) whether a gay man ought to be convicted of prejudice or a hate crime for disliking a belief system that argues he should be killed for who he is?

 

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But is it 'whataboutery' to point out that the Old Testament also cites stoning to death for homosexual acts ?

[buctootim]

Hatred of Islam is completely reasonable. Just as with Germans/Naziism.

 

Religious texts are the product of the time ans culture in which they were written. Islam is not worse than the bible

 

 

 

1. God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something?

 

2. You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

 

3. Perversity and human trafficking condoned: "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

 

4. Sex slavery condoned: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."

Exodus 21: 7-8

 

5. Divorce akin to debauchery: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)

 

6. Cannibalism: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)

 

7. If your genitals have been damaged, stay out of church: "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)

 

8. Incest and getting drunk with dad is no problem if the world is running thin on suitable DNA donors: And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

 

9. Looking at a woman with desire is akin to adultery: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28)

 

10. But incestuous rape is cool: And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [iI Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [iI Kings 13:14]

 

11. Pray in private, and if you do so in church, do so quietly: Matt 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."

 

12. If you offend God he will kill you: "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also." (Genesis 38:7-10)

 

13. God smites women, children and often animals with equal gusto, he seems to equal evil and wrong doing by association, rather than by being guilty of the personal, individual act: "Behold with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods: And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day." (II Chronicles 21:14-15)

[buctootim]

But is it 'whataboutery' to point out that the Old Testament also cites stoning to death for homosexual acts ?

 

Don't forget the slavery, incest, rape, mass murder and guilt by association.

[buctootim]

Jesus wept

 

Im not sure if the $10 was for the hour or the whole night.

[sadoldgit]

Nope. Racist = discrimination on the basis of race. Islam isn't a race any more than supporting Manchester United is a race.

 

You can no more be racist against Muslims than you can be against Manchester United fans.

 

Sorry old boy, but words have meanings, and when the best definition you can dig up to try and disprove that fact doesn't even contradict it in the slightest, then you're fighting a losing battle.

 

 

 

What about disliking Islam rather than Muslims?

 

Islam is openly homophobic and the Qu'ran calls for the stoning to death of homosexuals.

 

Can you answer me (hard mode: without whataboutery regarding other religions) whether a gay man ought to be convicted of prejudice or a hate crime for disliking a belief system that argues he should be killed for who he is?

 

Hatred against Muslims is wrong and unjust. Hatred of Islam is completely reasonable. Just as with Germans/Naziism.

 

I would answer you but a previous poster has done it much better than I could. I am not sure how you separate Muslims from Islam. Can you separate Christians from Christianity?

What about if we separate Muslims from terrorists?

[Sour Mash]

The more muslims in Europe, the more terrorists we have here.

 

That's a fact.

[sadoldgit]

The more men we have in the UK the more potential rapists that live here. That's a fact too. You simply cant go on hanging the acts of a minority on a whole religious creed.

[sadoldgit]

I have been trying to find an appropriate word for those who display religious discrimination. The best so far is religionism but that would then lead to religionist which is a bit rubbish and is also all encompassing. Another more appropriate name might be Islamaphobic as it is specific to a particular religion.

[Jonnyboy]

WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE MUSLIMS AND BLACK PEOPLE IN GLASGOW TODAY???

 

This is the worst day ever. I am currently hiding in an alleyway in Glasgow with no trousers and it’s all because of Muslims and black people.

 

It started at about 11 this morning, I'm just walking down the street on some Important White Guy Business (going to have coffee with a friend or whatever), when this random Muslim woman in one of those headscarf things comes up to me on George Square and asks me a garbled question. I didn't understand it at first so I had to ask her to repeat it, and she says, "What do you have to say about Dunblane?"

 

I thought she was trying to GET TO Dunblane, so I asked if she wanted me to look up directions on my phone, and she said, "No, IDIOT. What do you have to say about the Dunblane shootings?"

 

I was confused to say the least: "Dunblane? Uh... I have nothing to say about Dunblane." It was really weird, because she actually seemed pretty angry about something. Then she said, "Why not? Don't you think it was wrong?"

 

And I said, "Of course it was wrong, but that was 20 years ago, and, um, I wasn't really involved with it in any way. I was 14-years-old in 1996, I didn't even live in Scotland then!"

 

Crazy Muslim Lady then starts following me down the street screaming random place names at me:

 

"OKLAHOMA! UTOYA! OMAGH! PORT ARTHUR! COLUMBINE!” - and then other, completely random things - "'ABORTION CLINIC SHOOTINGS! THE LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY! APARTHEID! WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! THE SREBRENICA MASSACRE! PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS!" - and I'm thinking, "What the heck is this? Is this a code? Is she having some kind of breakdown?"

 

I was actually getting a bit scared by this point (I’m a lover not a fighter, if you know what I mean), so I jumped on the first bus I saw, just to get away from her. I went to the back of the bus and saw her shouting and swearing at me as we drove away.

 

At the very next stop, some young Asian lads get on the bus, and they came and sat right in front of me. They seemed to be laughing at something, and then one of them just turned around, looked me right in the eye and asked me why 'my people' keep raping young girls.

 

“What do you mean?” I said, “I’m just a middle class white guy. I went to university, I’ve worked in the media - we’re good people! I’ve never raped anyone, and neither do ‘people like me’ rape people!”

 

(Couldn't believe I actually had to say that, it's so obvious!)

 

And the teenager replied, “****ing pedo. I know what your lot are like. Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith. Child abusers, the lot of you.”

 

“OK, whatever,” I said, thinking they’re just trying to wind me up. I moved to the front of the bus because I didn’t want any trouble, and then this old Sikh guy sitting there looks at me like I’ve broken wind, and he says, “They’re right you know, your holy book condones rape, even if you don’t.”

 

Now first of all, I don’t have a holy book. Sure, I’ve been christened and I celebrate Christmas, but I’m not what you’d call a Bible basher or anything. Nevertheless, I do know FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT that the Holy Bible would never condone rape (unlike some other holy books I could mention).

 

“If you mean the Bible, that’s nonsense. The Bible is a book full of wisdom and light,” I said, trying to be well-mannered even though I was getting angrier by the second with all these uninformed opinions coming at me. Old Sikh Guy looked sceptical, so I told him the only Bible quote I know off by heart - “Ever heard of ‘All things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small, the Lord God made them all’? That's the message of the Bible.”

 

But that didn’t shut him up, not even a little bit!

 

“What about Oholibah in Ezekiel? ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you… I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewellery. I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt.’ That’s your God arranging the rape and mutilation of a prostitute.”

 

I was pretty ****ed off at this point. I didn’t even reply to his bull****, I just jumped off at the next stop - and that’s when things went from Slightly Weird to full on Twilight Zone.

 

Standing at the next stop were a bunch of black teenagers, about thirteen or fourteen-years-old, completely butt-naked except for some kind of white patterns painted on their skin! They looked bloody freezing, so I asked what they were doing, standing at a bus stop with nothing on, on a freezing Glaswegian day.

 

“We’re Xhosas,” replied the tallest boy, “We’re on our way to a coming-of-age-ceremony. We go into the wilderness for a few days, and when we come back we will be men.”

 

“But why are you NAKED?!”

 

“It’s our tradition,” said the tall boy.

 

“Why are YOU wearing trousers?” said a smaller boy with World Cup ears and a cheeky smirk.

 

I laughed, “Isn’t it pretty obvious? Everyone wears trousers. I’m wearing them for modesty. I don’t want to walk around just revealing every part of my body to every random person I meet.”

 

The boys thought this was pretty funny:

 

“Sounds oppressive to me,” the tall boy said.

 

“Yes,” said a chubby lad with a big shiver. “Sounds like you’ve been brainwashed by your society.”

 

“Nonsense,” I said, “Trousers are objectively right. Why isn’t she covering her breasts?” I said, pointing at the only girl in the group, whose boobs were out and covered in goose bumps.

 

“Why should she? Why should a woman cover her breasts, but men don’t have to cover up? Don’t you think that’s pretty sexist?”

 

“It’s a woman’s choice to cover her breasts,” I said.

 

“So I won’t get arrested for walking through Glasgow like this?” said the Xhosa girl, rolling her eyes.

 

“Well… You might,” I replied. “I mean… You are exposing yourself. It’s pretty disgusting seeing a young girl dressed like that to be honest.”

 

“You know what I think is disgusting?” said the tall boy, “Your society making you ashamed of your Ham in the Hood!”

 

That’s when the mood suddenly changed, and World Cup Boy shouted, “Get his trousers!”

 

“Let’s liberate him!” said the chubby one.

 

“How can I trust him when I can’t see his penis?!” said the girl.

 

And they started trying to pull my trousers down! FOR REAL! I put up the best fight I could, but like I said, I’m a lover not a fighter, and with six or seven of them on me, I didn’t really stand a chance. They got the trousers off pretty quickly, and then my Thundercat boxers, and then they all just ran off down the road with the cheeky boy whooping and swinging my trousers around his head like a lasso! And then the tall boy had the cheek to shout back at me, “It’s for your own good! Don’t let anyone tell you what to wear!”

 

So here I am. I’ve managed to crawl into an alleyway and cover myself in bits of newspaper, but I really need someone to bring me some trousers so I can get home. Please, if you’re in Glasgow today with extra trousers, come and find me - SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!

 

Oh, that reminds me - when you see me in my naked state, please bear in mind that it is a very, very, very cold day.

[badgerx16]

[buctootim]

WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE MUSLIMS AND BLACK PEOPLE IN GLASGOW TODAY???

 

This is the worst day ever. I am currently hiding in an alleyway in Glasgow with no trousers and it’s all because of Muslims and black people.

 

It started at about 11 this morning, I'm just walking down the street on some Important White Guy Business (going to have coffee with a friend or whatever), when this random Muslim woman in one of those headscarf things comes up to me on George Square and asks me a garbled question. I didn't understand it at first so I had to ask her to repeat it, and she says, "What do you have to say about Dunblane?"

 

I thought she was trying to GET TO Dunblane, so I asked if she wanted me to look up directions on my phone, and she said, "No, IDIOT. What do you have to say about the Dunblane shootings?"

 

I was confused to say the least: "Dunblane? Uh... I have nothing to say about Dunblane." It was really weird, because she actually seemed pretty angry about something. Then she said, "Why not? Don't you think it was wrong?"

 

And I said, "Of course it was wrong, but that was 20 years ago, and, um, I wasn't really involved with it in any way. I was 14-years-old in 1996, I didn't even live in Scotland then!"

 

Crazy Muslim Lady then starts following me down the street screaming random place names at me:

 

"OKLAHOMA! UTOYA! OMAGH! PORT ARTHUR! COLUMBINE!” - and then other, completely random things - "'ABORTION CLINIC SHOOTINGS! THE LORD'S RESISTANCE ARMY! APARTHEID! WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH! THE SREBRENICA MASSACRE! PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS!" - and I'm thinking, "What the heck is this? Is this a code? Is she having some kind of breakdown?"

 

I was actually getting a bit scared by this point (I’m a lover not a fighter, if you know what I mean), so I jumped on the first bus I saw, just to get away from her. I went to the back of the bus and saw her shouting and swearing at me as we drove away.

 

At the very next stop, some young Asian lads get on the bus, and they came and sat right in front of me. They seemed to be laughing at something, and then one of them just turned around, looked me right in the eye and asked me why 'my people' keep raping young girls.

 

“What do you mean?” I said, “I’m just a middle class white guy. I went to university, I’ve worked in the media - we’re good people! I’ve never raped anyone, and neither do ‘people like me’ rape people!”

 

(Couldn't believe I actually had to say that, it's so obvious!)

 

And the teenager replied, “****ing pedo. I know what your lot are like. Rolf Harris, Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith. Child abusers, the lot of you.”

 

“OK, whatever,” I said, thinking they’re just trying to wind me up. I moved to the front of the bus because I didn’t want any trouble, and then this old Sikh guy sitting there looks at me like I’ve broken wind, and he says, “They’re right you know, your holy book condones rape, even if you don’t.”

 

Now first of all, I don’t have a holy book. Sure, I’ve been christened and I celebrate Christmas, but I’m not what you’d call a Bible basher or anything. Nevertheless, I do know FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT that the Holy Bible would never condone rape (unlike some other holy books I could mention).

 

“If you mean the Bible, that’s nonsense. The Bible is a book full of wisdom and light,” I said, trying to be well-mannered even though I was getting angrier by the second with all these uninformed opinions coming at me. Old Sikh Guy looked sceptical, so I told him the only Bible quote I know off by heart - “Ever heard of ‘All things bright and beautiful, all creatures great and small, the Lord God made them all’? That's the message of the Bible.”

 

But that didn’t shut him up, not even a little bit!

 

“What about Oholibah in Ezekiel? ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you… I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewellery. I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt.’ That’s your God arranging the rape and mutilation of a prostitute.”

 

I was pretty ****ed off at this point. I didn’t even reply to his bull****, I just jumped off at the next stop - and that’s when things went from Slightly Weird to full on Twilight Zone.

 

Standing at the next stop were a bunch of black teenagers, about thirteen or fourteen-years-old, completely butt-naked except for some kind of white patterns painted on their skin! They looked bloody freezing, so I asked what they were doing, standing at a bus stop with nothing on, on a freezing Glaswegian day.

 

“We’re Xhosas,” replied the tallest boy, “We’re on our way to a coming-of-age-ceremony. We go into the wilderness for a few days, and when we come back we will be men.”

 

“But why are you NAKED?!”

 

“It’s our tradition,” said the tall boy.

 

“Why are YOU wearing trousers?” said a smaller boy with World Cup ears and a cheeky smirk.

 

I laughed, “Isn’t it pretty obvious? Everyone wears trousers. I’m wearing them for modesty. I don’t want to walk around just revealing every part of my body to every random person I meet.”

 

The boys thought this was pretty funny:

 

“Sounds oppressive to me,” the tall boy said.

 

“Yes,” said a chubby lad with a big shiver. “Sounds like you’ve been brainwashed by your society.”

 

“Nonsense,” I said, “Trousers are objectively right. Why isn’t she covering her breasts?” I said, pointing at the only girl in the group, whose boobs were out and covered in goose bumps.

 

“Why should she? Why should a woman cover her breasts, but men don’t have to cover up? Don’t you think that’s pretty sexist?”

 

“It’s a woman’s choice to cover her breasts,” I said.

 

“So I won’t get arrested for walking through Glasgow like this?” said the Xhosa girl, rolling her eyes.

 

“Well… You might,” I replied. “I mean… You are exposing yourself. It’s pretty disgusting seeing a young girl dressed like that to be honest.”

 

“You know what I think is disgusting?” said the tall boy, “Your society making you ashamed of your Ham in the Hood!”

 

That’s when the mood suddenly changed, and World Cup Boy shouted, “Get his trousers!”

 

“Let’s liberate him!” said the chubby one.

 

“How can I trust him when I can’t see his penis?!” said the girl.

 

And they started trying to pull my trousers down! FOR REAL! I put up the best fight I could, but like I said, I’m a lover not a fighter, and with six or seven of them on me, I didn’t really stand a chance. They got the trousers off pretty quickly, and then my Thundercat boxers, and then they all just ran off down the road with the cheeky boy whooping and swinging my trousers around his head like a lasso! And then the tall boy had the cheek to shout back at me, “It’s for your own good! Don’t let anyone tell you what to wear!”

 

So here I am. I’ve managed to crawl into an alleyway and cover myself in bits of newspaper, but I really need someone to bring me some trousers so I can get home. Please, if you’re in Glasgow today with extra trousers, come and find me - SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!

 

Oh, that reminds me - when you see me in my naked state, please bear in mind that it is a very, very, very cold day.

 

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[Saint Billy]

Hacker collective Anonymous has vowed to ‘severely punish’ Islamic State in retaliation for this week’s terrorist attacks in Brussels.

 

Not sure if this will hurt IS too much but seeing that the web is used to easily communicate information etc maybe its a start.

[TwoPints]

I coulud not care less what colour, race or religion someone is. As long as they live by the west's standards and values and we should not tolerate society where those values revert back to the year 1850.

 

 

Which is why you post newspaper articles about a Sudanese paedophile as though it's their culture that drives it but conveniently ignore an article in the same paper of a British paedophile as it doesn't suit your agenda.

[Batman]

Which is why you post newspaper articles about a Sudanese paedophile as though it's their culture that drives it but conveniently ignore an article in the same paper of a British paedophile as it doesn't suit your agenda.

 

Well done.

[whelk]

Trump: Just announced that as many as 5000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Europe. Also, many in U.S. I TOLD YOU SO! I alone can fix this problem!

[TwoPints]

"Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb leader, was convicted ofgenocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, by a United Nations tribunal on Thursday for leading a campaign of terror against civilians that included the slaughter of 8,000 Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995"

 

If we have to stop all Muslims entering Europe as a tiny minority of them are terrorists given today's news above, at what point do we stop Christians leading nations in Europe as one of them slaughtered 8000 innocent people right on our doorstep.

[Verbal]

I have been trying to find an appropriate word for those who display religious discrimination. The best so far is religionism but that would then lead to religionist which is a bit rubbish and is also all encompassing. Another more appropriate name might be Islamaphobic as it is specific to a particular religion.

 

‘Racists’ is just fine.

 

It’s some kind of irony that we’re having this discussion on the day a white European has been sentenced to forty years in jail for ordering the genocidal murder of Muslims.

 

Here’s another way to look at our very own Saintsweb pet racists.

 

When ISIS attacks western cities, its explicit intent is not to conquer the West but to create divisions between Muslims and others in those cities. ISIS does this because it actually wants alienated and cornered Muslim communities in those cities, because, by ISIS' logic, they become a recruitment source.

 

One half of the bargain is delivered by ISIS themselves, in ever more outrageous attacks on civilians. The other side of the bargain is delivered by the saps who start yelling about ISIS attacks being the result of ‘Muslim immigration’ - blaming a 'mass' of people for the actions of a very few.

 

So as small and irrelevant as they are as racists, our pets are yet (a little) more the witless, manipulated agents of ISIS, doing the terrorists’ bidding for them, dancing to ISIS’ tune.

 

They must be so proud.

[TwoPints]

Well done.

Thank you. Glad I could help you come to terms with who you really are.

[holepuncture]

Well if the only rapists and terrorist were Muslims you might be on to something. More Europeans have been killed by non Muslim Terrorists. As to the rape charge a certain non-Muslim Australian immigrant, a well loved (by some) celebrity, children’s homes staff and countless other non Muslim perpetrators would suggest that religion is not a key factor, the one thing the vast majority have in common is they are all men. I might deduce that you are a closet extreme feminist plotting the downfall of the male gender. But then I wake up and realise that you just an intolerant racist, incapable of processing information and evidence to arrive at a rational understanding of anything remotely complex. One day it will be very lonely in your cave.

 

You wouldn't want to be in the trenches with this excuse!

[TwoPints]

Not a benefit as such, but I doubt Sour is involved in beheadings, paedo rape gangs, domestic terrorism, international terrorism and a viscous hatred of the western world.

 

I know who I'd rather have my back.

 

I fear that by the time people wake up and realise just how big a mess mass muslim immigration has caused and is going to cause, it will be too late.

 

Hang on, so you want to ban all Muslims coming into Europe because a tiny minority are terrorists? Well on that basis, do we ban all right wing activists on the basis that Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway? If so, there are a few on this forum that would be on the first ferry out of town.

 

So, now who would you rather have at your back? Anders Breivik, Mo Farah or maybe, James Caan. I think in that situation, I'll stick with the Muslims thanks.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So you're not able to show any racist posts, but keep making that up.

 

And no-one has said followers of Islam had a monopoly on terror, so keep making that up.

 

And no-one has said there weren't muslims living in Western Europe hundreds of years ago, but keep making that up.

 

I guess its the standard response by those that can't answer basic questions, just make some up.

 

But there is no need for anyone to "make things up" about the nature of your contributions to this thread because they are a matter of record now and there for all to see. You might also research the subtle difference that exists between a thing being clearly stated and then something that is clearly implied.

 

The very fact that you have opted to question whether Muslims have made any worthwhile contribution to European society is indicative that you don't see the members of this societal group as a collection of many millions of induviduals, each just as capable of good and evil as any other, but rather as some kind of collective mass. In other words a; "they're all the same" type mentality.

 

racism

noun

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

 

Now, to save you the trouble, I know that your (only) defence will be to argue that as Muslims are not a 'race' - as the term is commonly understood - so your rampant Islamophobia cannot be definded as true racism then? The problem there is that if Muslims are not a race, than which group is? Some people might immediately point to Black people, and say, “that is definitely a race, look at their skin color.” But, to be exact, Black people are not a race either. Neither, for that matter, are White people. Okay, now you might wonder about Jewish people? Certainly they are a race, right? Science proves they, like White and Blacks, are not a race either.

 

Racism is not really about about the dubious concept of 'race' but culture. People are "othered" and discriminated against not simply because of the colour of their skin but because of the assumed beliefs and practices associated with some “imagined culture.” Whether you are capable of comprehending the point here or not, the evidence does show I think that you fit into this "culteral racist" pattern very snugly.

[Sour Mash]

And still people want more of this imported to the UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123.

[TwoPints]

And still people want more of this imported to the UK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35893123.

Or how about this one: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/01/far-right-support-anders-breivik

 

One day you may get it. If we were to use your thinking, in this example all Brits would think the same as these people. But, we know that's not the case, in the same way we know that all Muslims don't share the same views as the Imam in your article.

 

I'm sure you do understand it, it's just that you choose to vilify Muslims because they're different to you.

[Batman]

another imminent terrorist tragedy averted in France

 

just a normal week in western Europe

[Sour Mash]

Or how about this one: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/01/far-right-support-anders-breivik

 

One day you may get it. If we were to use your thinking, in this example all Brits would think the same as these people. But, we know that's not the case, in the same way we know that all Muslims don't share the same views as the Imam in your article.

 

I'm sure you do understand it, it's just that you choose to vilify Muslims because they're different to you.

 

Your post doesn't make sense, but I assume you just don't understand the subject as usual.

[Sour Mash]

another imminent terrorist tragedy averted in France

 

just a normal week in western Europe

 

There will be something every few weeks unfortunately, some they'll catch in time, some they won't.

[Batman]

There will be something every few weeks unfortunately, some they'll catch in time, some they won't.

 

exactly. Just a normal day. Belgium are probably paying the price for their crusades in the middle east in the last 15-20 years!!!

I have my collection of #solidarity quotes.....ready with a german/french/italian flags memorial pictures. Probably just get into the routine of recycling the same ones

[Batman]

"Radovan Karadzic, the former Bosnian Serb leader, was convicted ofgenocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, by a United Nations tribunal on Thursday for leading a campaign of terror against civilians that included the slaughter of 8,000 Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica in 1995"

 

If we have to stop all Muslims entering Europe as a tiny minority of them are terrorists given today's news above, at what point do we stop Christians leading nations in Europe as one of them slaughtered 8000 innocent people right on our doorstep.

 

what happened in Bosnia is an example of the lilly livered era we entered in (and remain in). How the world/Europe stood by and did almost nothing back then was a disgrace.

[TwoPints]

Your post doesn't make sense, but I assume you just don't understand the subject as usual.

The South Mash stock answer to a post you can't argue with ...

 

"oh, you don't understand" or "you made it up". Great debating skills as usual.

 

You'd remind me of the Monty Python 5 minute argument sketch if your views weren't so repulsive.

[TwoPints]

what happened in Bosnia is an example of the lilly livered era we entered in (and remain in). How the world/Europe stood by and did almost nothing back then was a disgrace.

Agreed but as you're seemingly blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few why aren't you taking the same view with Christians here?

[Sour Mash]

The South Mash stock answer to a post you can't argue with ...

 

"oh, you don't understand" or "you made it up". Great debating skills as usual.

 

You'd remind me of the Monty Python 5 minute argument sketch if your views weren't so repulsive.

Hard to argue with a post that doesn't make sense.

 

But I'll leave you to continue enjoying the Islamic takeover of western European cities that you're so keen to see, and the regular terrorism it brings with it.

[Sour Mash]

Agreed but as you're seemingly blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few why aren't you taking the same view with Christians here?

 

No one has blamed all Muslims. Are you really that simple?

[sadoldgit]

another imminent terrorist tragedy averted in France

 

just a normal week in western Europe

 

Another pointless post from Batman backing up his view that we should close our borders. Just a normal day on The Saints Web.

[sadoldgit]

exactly. Just a normal day. Belgium are probably paying the price for their crusades in the middle east in the last 15-20 years!!!

I have my collection of #solidarity quotes.....ready with a german/french/italian flags memorial pictures. Probably just get into the routine of recycling the same ones

 

Or maybe they are paying the price for being the capital of the EU?

[whelk]

people trotting out Anders Brevik as if it is comparable to ISIS attacks on the west. It does your argument no favours and shows you don't really grasp the severity of the issues.

 

Doesn't seem sensible debate here as right wingers up against weak apologists.

[whelk]

Or maybe they are paying the price for being the capital of the EU?

 

'Paying the price' - you really think these fckers need motives?