Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[CB Fry]

Best wishes to everyone going to Euro 2016.

[whelk]

Anyone going to get outraged if Salah Abdeslam (bloke behind Paris attacks) is currently being tortured to extract information?

[whelk]

ISIS say there are more of these attacks coming.

 

thing is, they were pretty open how they were going to get into europe when the doors were wide open. Yet we did nothing

all well and good for pictures of the flags and lighting up buildings with the colours of Belgium. How about, the powers in europe actually did something to look after its people

 

how long before a dirty bomb or chemical attack in say, downtown Amsterdam, or Hamburg?

Can't remember Belgium tearing up the middle east in the last 20 years. Why them?

 

You seem to have a very simplistic view that tighter immigration will eliminate attacks?

[Batman]

You seem to have a very simplistic view that tighter immigration will eliminate attacks?

 

it is the biggest easy win to help this bizarre situation we are in

when a part of Belgium (BELGIUM FFS) can become the islamic nutter hotbed in Europe, something is seriously wrong.

 

People can stroll around unchallenged in parts of Belgium, waltz into another country, murder hundreds and waltz back, remain UNCHALLENGED for 6 months (then go again)....then something is fundamentally wrong!

 

As said, it will not be long before the bar is raised and a chemical attack (or something of that ilk) will happen in a part of western europe.

whilst the continent does almost nothing

 

 

had yesterday happened again in France or even over here, plenty would be out to suggest it would be all our own doing for our actions in the middle east. What is the reason for this? it shows that blaming ourselves is pointless, these people will murder anyone in the west.

Edited 23 March, 2016 by Batman

[CB Fry]

You seem to have a very simplistic view that tighter immigration will eliminate attacks?

 

The sooner we build a ninety foot wall around Leeds the better. It's the only way to keep these people - let's call these illegal alien foreign scum, (or, more simply, "people born in the UK") - out of our capital city.

 

Probably need some kind of Australian-style points system for people from Bradford and Luton before they are allowed on public transport.

[whelk]

it is the biggest easy win to help this bizarre situation we are in

when a part of Belgium (BELGIUM FFS) can become the islamic nutter hotbed in Europe, something is seriously wrong.

 

People can stroll around unchallenged in parts of Belgium, waltz into another country, murder hundreds and waltz back, remain UNCHALLENGED for 6 months (then go again)....then something is fundamentally wrong!

 

As said, it will not be long before the bar is raised and a chemical attack (or something of that ilk) will happen in a part of western europe.

whilst the continent does almost nothing

 

 

had yesterday happened again in France or even over here, plenty would be out to suggest it would be all our own doing for our actions in the middle east. What is the reason for this? it shows that blaming ourselves is pointless, these people will murder anyone in the west.

 

Agree very worrying the reports of that Brussels suburb. And competence of Belgium intelligence services

 

I don't think 'whilst the continent does almost nothing' has much substance though.

 

Are you expecting MI5/6 briefings to be in the public domain?

We just getting lucky with drone strikes on ISIS leaders?

[CB Fry]

it is the biggest easy win to help this bizarre situation we are in

when a part of Belgium (BELGIUM FFS) can become the islamic nutter hotbed in Europe, something is seriously wrong.

 

People can stroll around unchallenged in parts of Belgium, waltz into another country, murder hundreds and waltz back, remain UNCHALLENGED for 6 months (then go again)....then something is fundamentally wrong!

 

As said, it will not be long before the bar is raised and a chemical attack (or something of that ilk) will happen in a part of western europe.

whilst the continent does almost nothing

 

 

had yesterday happened again in France or even over here, plenty would be out to suggest it would be all our own doing for our actions in the middle east. What is the reason for this? it shows that blaming ourselves is pointless, these people will murder anyone in the west.

 

I think the general consensus yesterday from the experts I was listening to is that the Belgian police are effing useless.

[Batman]

I think the general consensus yesterday from the experts I was listening to is that the Belgian police are effing useless.

 

thankfully, we are pretty good over here at stopping these nutters.

[Saint Billy]

thankfully, we are pretty good over here at stopping these nutters.

 

You say that but I only ever see armed police at airports or the big London train/tube stations and even then there are just a couple of them wandering about. I was at the O2 a couple of weeks ago that was full of thousands and not one copper to be seen.

 

It only takes our intelligence to make one slip.

[whelk]

You say that but I only ever see armed police at airports or the big London train/tube stations and even then there are just a couple of them wandering about. I was at the O2 a couple of weeks ago that was full of thousands and not one copper to be seen.

 

It only takes our intelligence to make one slip.

 

The intelligence is pre-emtive. You think we can have armed police at any potential target ready to intervene? Let's face it they could take out a craft fair in the Cotswolds.

[Saint Billy]

The intelligence is pre-emtive. You think we can have armed police at any potential target ready to intervene? Let's face it they could take out a craft fair in the Cotswolds.

 

Stop trying to belittle what I said, were not on the football forum now.

 

At any big target where thousands are gathered.....yes definitely. Remember the Paris attacks!.

[benjii]

Stop trying to belittle what I said, were not on the football forum now.

 

At any big target where thousands are gathered.....yes definitely. Remember the Paris attacks!.

 

So armed police at every gig in London? It wasn't exactly a massive gig anyway in Paris. And if they then wanted to target a gig, just go to Manchester instead. Or is it every gig in the UK?

 

Fact is, whilst these attacks are devastating for the families of the victims they are, in the grand scheme of things, minor ripples. They certainly aren't significant enough to demand a shift in our own societal norms.

 

Frankly, I wish IS was given less airtime. The "clash of civilizations", "they want to bring down the west" narrative is such palpable garbage it does my head in whenever it's alluded to by politicians or commentators who should know better.

 

These people want control of sections of the middle east. These attacks are perpetrated by thick thugs who are attracted to violence. They are part of the cycle of action and response which can drive recruitment. They absolutely cannot win a war with the west and they know that. I can think of numerous ways they could easily cause far greater damage but they don't because these attacks are basically a gang of dimwits following a rather formulaic script because it has some idiotic pre-existing religious seal of approval. The only way they can achieve some sort of victory is if we react hysterically. I heard that some Italian UEFA delegate has been saying Euro 2016 could be played behind closed doors. What an utter moron. Thick ****.

 

Just crack on.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I have predicted on here before that the era when our police can routinely go about their work unarmed is drawing to a close. I stand by that.

 

But to illustrate the scale of the problem, there are apparently 366 passenger train stations in and around the London area. Our capital city also boasts some 6,800 buses operating over 700 routes and let's not even bother to count the number of supermarkets and cinemas etc. If we were to set up security check points at the entrance to every airport, then it may well be that those queuing outside might become the target rather than passengers on the inside. So a problem moved rather than solved then.

 

If we somehow were to turn our capital city into a veritable fortress, then what is to stop terrorists from simply shifting their aim to the regions where security can never be so tight? We have little choice but to do the best that we can of course, but security is perhaps a illusion we sell to ourselves in order to make our day seem less scary than it really is.

[sadoldgit]

ISIS say there are more of these attacks coming.

 

thing is, they were pretty open how they were going to get into europe when the doors were wide open. Yet we did nothing

all well and good for pictures of the flags and lighting up buildings with the colours of Belgium. How about, the powers in europe actually did something to look after its people

 

how long before a dirty bomb or chemical attack in say, downtown Amsterdam, or Hamburg?

Can't remember Belgium tearing up the middle east in the last 20 years. Why them?

 

Of course there will be more attacks. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there isn't one here by the end of the year.

I still don't see how closing the borders is going to stop further terrorist attacks. What about closing down the Internet too?

As for upping the terror anti, who knows, but again, if you think that closing borders makes us any safer, I think you are wrong.

Why Belgium? Maybe because Brussels is the HQ of the EU?

[Saint Billy]

So armed police at every gig in London? It wasn't exactly a massive gig anyway in Paris. And if they then wanted to target a gig, just go to Manchester instead. Or is it every gig in the UK?

 

Fact is, whilst these attacks are devastating for the families of the victims they are, in the grand scheme of things, minor ripples. They certainly aren't significant enough to demand a shift in our own societal norms.

 

Frankly, I wish IS was given less airtime. The "clash of civilizations", "they want to bring down the west" narrative is such palpable garbage it does my head in whenever it's alluded to by politicians or commentators who should know better.

 

These people want control of sections of the middle east. These attacks are perpetrated by thick thugs who are attracted to violence. They are part of the cycle of action and response which can drive recruitment. They absolutely cannot win a war with the west and they know that. I can think of numerous ways they could easily cause far greater damage but they don't because these attacks are basically a gang of dimwits following a rather formulaic script because it has some idiotic pre-existing religious seal of approval. The only way they can achieve some sort of victory is if we react hysterically. I heard that some Italian UEFA delegate has been saying Euro 2016 could be played behind closed doors. What an utter moron. Thick ****.

 

Just crack on.

 

Well personally I expect the goverment to announce a larger Police presence despjte what you think especially when there is intelligence suggesting attacks could happen in the UK soon.

 

I for one feel just a little more at ease when I see armed police about although I do realise they are limited by numbers.

[Johnny Bognor]

According to a number of papers, it seems like Corbyn's friends think the solution is to sit down and have a cup of tea with them...

 

It worked on the EDL protesting outside a mosque, apparently. You know the EDL, the far right wingers that cut peoples heads off, blow themselves up, murder innocent civilians indiscriminently.

If cups of tea worked with the EDL, then maybe they have a point. Oh, wait a minute....

Edited 23 March, 2016 by Johnny Bognor

[Batman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VXUBDqmqN8

this will only add fuel to the fire

[aintforever]

So armed police at every gig in London? It wasn't exactly a massive gig anyway in Paris. And if they then wanted to target a gig, just go to Manchester instead. Or is it every gig in the UK?

 

Fact is, whilst these attacks are devastating for the families of the victims they are, in the grand scheme of things, minor ripples. They certainly aren't significant enough to demand a shift in our own societal norms.

 

Frankly, I wish IS was given less airtime. The "clash of civilizations", "they want to bring down the west" narrative is such palpable garbage it does my head in whenever it's alluded to by politicians or commentators who should know better.

 

These people want control of sections of the middle east. These attacks are perpetrated by thick thugs who are attracted to violence. They are part of the cycle of action and response which can drive recruitment. They absolutely cannot win a war with the west and they know that. I can think of numerous ways they could easily cause far greater damage but they don't because these attacks are basically a gang of dimwits following a rather formulaic script because it has some idiotic pre-existing religious seal of approval. The only way they can achieve some sort of victory is if we react hysterically. I heard that some Italian UEFA delegate has been saying Euro 2016 could be played behind closed doors. What an utter moron. Thick ****.

 

Just crack on.

 

More armed police makes sense to me, no matter how unlikely the threat.

 

In the event of a Paris style attack just one armed copper could make a massive difference to the amount of casualties.

 

I would be surprised if there wasn't a major attack in the UK sometime in the near future. If hundreds get gunned down at a major event and there were no armed cops present it would be a dereliction of duty.

Edited 23 March, 2016 by aintforever

[hutch]

I personally feel much happier that we just recruited 2,000 extra data analysis spooks for GCHQ rather than 2,000 more armed coppers. But that's probably just me.

[holepuncture]

Best wishes to everyone going to Euro 2016.

 

The problem is, these vermin have infiltrated our society. They're basically blended into the mix of 2billion muslims worldwide. These guys have been 'most wanted' men for months and yet they seemingly carried on regardless. Their own communities are sympathisers who won't report them to the authorities, which seems endemic within islam.

 

What saddens me is just how 'normal' the terrorists look in the images from yesterday. To think there are thousands more of this lot marching into Europe unchecked is bone chilling.

 

I guess the only way to safeguard your family is to completely avoid anyone of north african and middle eastern appearance, or perhaps we all just convert to islam and get it over and done with!

[aintforever]

I personally feel much happier that we just recruited 2,000 extra data analysis spooks for GCHQ rather than 2,000 more armed coppers. But that's probably just me.

 

I'd rather both.

[Saint Billy]

I'd rather both.

 

Ditto

[whelk]

You need to man up or just avoid going to a gig. If crowds without armed old bill around are going to spook you you'd best stay at home.

[whelk]

I personally feel much happier that we just recruited 2,000 extra data analysis spooks for GCHQ rather than 2,000 more armed coppers. But that's probably just me.

 

Yes far better spent on surveillance. But hey most don't want to pay taxes and inevitably cuts to the police force. Sure there were plenty of armed police in Brussels airport as well

[whelk]

The problem is, these vermin have infiltrated our society. They're basically blended into the mix of 2billion muslims worldwide. These guys have been 'most wanted' men for months and yet they seemingly carried on regardless. Their own communities are sympathisers who won't report them to the authorities, which seems endemic within islam.

 

What saddens me is just how 'normal' the terrorists look in the images from yesterday. To think there are thousands more of this lot marching into Europe unchecked is bone chilling.

 

I guess the only way to safeguard your family is to completely avoid anyone of north african and middle eastern appearance, or perhaps we all just convert to islam and get it over and done with!

 

sorry are they marching in or waltzing in? I'm confused.

 

Other terrorist groups could spring up planting bombs in Molenbeek and Mosques.

[Dig Dig]

The problem is, these vermin have infiltrated our society. They're basically blended into the mix of 2billion muslims worldwide. These guys have been 'most wanted' men for months and yet they seemingly carried on regardless. Their own communities are sympathisers who won't report them to the authorities, which seems endemic within islam.

 

What saddens me is just how 'normal' the terrorists look in the images from yesterday. To think there are thousands more of this lot marching into Europe unchecked is bone chilling.

 

I guess the only way to safeguard your family is to completely avoid anyone of north african and middle eastern appearance, or perhaps we all just convert to islam and get it over and done with!

 

Don't forget the blacks as well. They could be straight out of Boko Haram.

[moonraker]

More armed police makes sense to me, no matter how unlikely the threat.

 

In the event of a Paris style attack just one armed copper could make a massive difference to the amount of casualties.

 

I would be surprised if there wasn't a major attack in the UK sometime in the near future. If hundreds get gunned down at a major event and there were no armed cops present it would be a dereliction of duty.

 

Not sure, French and Belgium police are armed, are you saying the death tolls would have been higher? My concern is that selecting and training armed police is very specialised, if we lower the standard, which surly must to train all 130000 + officers, we must accept a greater risk that more innocent civilians will be killed by the police, would these be collateral damage. The critical element in fighting crime of any sort, terrorism included, is intelligence.

[buctootim]

Don't forget the blacks as well. They could be straight out of Boko Haram.

 

and the whites - could be IRA or ETA.

[moonraker]

The problem is, these vermin have infiltrated our society. They're basically blended into the mix of 2billion muslims worldwide. These guys have been 'most wanted' men for months and yet they seemingly carried on regardless. Their own communities are sympathisers who won't report them to the authorities, which seems endemic within islam.

 

What saddens me is just how 'normal' the terrorists look in the images from yesterday. To think there are thousands more of this lot marching into Europe unchecked is bone chilling.

 

I guess the only way to safeguard your family is to completely avoid anyone of north african and middle eastern appearance, or perhaps we all just convert to islam and get it over and done with!

 

So what do we do about the 90% plus of terrorism attributed deaths in Europe that have been perpetrated by non Islamic home grown terrorists.

[Dig Dig]

and the whites - could be IRA or ETA.

 

True. Evidence also suggests that the spread of extremist ideology is rife among families. I'm going to be avoiding my own from now on. Why take chances?

[Lord Duckhunter]

and the whites - could be IRA or ETA.

 

Don't be so ****ing stupid just to justify your right on politics . If you can't see the difference between the IRA and these Muslim terrorist you really are a plum .

[buctootim]

Don't be so ****ing stupid just to justify your right on politics . If you can't see the difference between the IRA and these Muslim terrorist you really are a plum .

 

Duckhunter in missing the point, again, shocker.

 

In baby language. The point was, slowly now, that the IRA have killed far more people in Britain than IS and its a white 'Christian' organisation. Still with us? Just as it makes no sense to try to predict sympathy for the IRA based on religion, so it makes no sense to try to predict sympathy for IS based on being a Muslim.

 

The stupidity belongs to those who cant / wont see the difference between violent Salafism and mainstream Islam. Salafism is a threat to everybody who doesnt agree with them - but mostly to mainstream Islam. Muslims are by far the largest number of victims. The people IS hate the most are mainstream Muslims.

 

Why is Salafism a much bigger deal now than it ever used to be? Because our 'friends' and allies Saudi Arabia, the ones we sell arms to, spend billions promoting it across the world as an integral part of a network of free schools in poor parts of the world where they have none. Why has the Taliban been able to largely take over Afghanistan? because the Americans funded them to expand to fight the Soviets, but in doing so they usurped the tribal leaders and have grabbed control of the opium trade. How does IS function in Syria? because our friends and allies Turkey buy their oil and supply them.

 

I think you'll find the ****s are us and our friends and allies, not mainstream muslims.

Edited 23 March, 2016 by buctootim

[moonraker]

Don't be so ****ing stupid just to justify your right on politics . If you can't see the difference between the IRA and these Muslim terrorist you really are a plum .

One thing that is not different is they both kill innocent people indiscriminately. Please can you expand on the differences and why those difference are relevant, they are all scum.

[eurosaint]

I think the general consensus yesterday from the experts I was listening to is that the Belgian police are effing useless.

 

Having worked there for 15 years (although not an expert) I would absolutely concur with this view !

[Batman]

One of the blokes who carried out the attack was known to the Belgian authorities since june and had already been arrested on terrorism charges

 

incredible!!!

[aintforever]

Not sure, French and Belgium police are armed, are you saying the death tolls would have been higher? My concern is that selecting and training armed police is very specialised, if we lower the standard, which surly must to train all 130000 + officers, we must accept a greater risk that more innocent civilians will be killed by the police, would these be collateral damage. The critical element in fighting crime of any sort, terrorism included, is intelligence.

 

Having more armed police doesn't mean you have to arm all the police, or lower standards.

[Sour Mash]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

[Batman]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

[John B]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

 

Yes Moen Ali won us the T20 World Cup game to day plus Muslim doctors have saved thousands of lives

[moonraker]

Having more armed police doesn't mean you have to arm all the police, or lower standards.

 

Fair enough, so what is the right proportion of armed police to unarmed, and how will you ensure it is only ever an armed officer in the vicinity of a terrorist?

[Saint Billy]

You need to man up or just avoid going to a gig. If crowds without armed old bill around are going to spook you you'd best stay at home.

 

You bait dangler you!.

[whelk]

C4 news. Unbelievable how incompetent the Belgians have been. Beggars belief

[Dig Dig]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

 

I'm sure there were a ton of benefits when European Countries actively recruited migrant workers from the middle east, south asia and north africa to rebuild post war and plug gaps in the labour market.

[TwoPints]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

Maybe compassion to people who have been bombed out of their homes and their lives destroyed is why they come here? Ever thought about compassion? And before you blather on about the fact that the Muslims have no compassion for the West so why should we show them compassion, the terrorists are a small group of nutters and not representative of the entire Muslim population. Particularly of those escaping persecution.

[dan17]

They'd love that, up the body count no end. Its difficult and expensive for a middle east based organisation to launch operations in Europe. Far easier if we bring soldiers to them. Handy roadside bomb locations is manna from heaven. An occupation force helps with recruitment too

 

I appreciate what you are saying about recruitment etc and body counts, but how else do you get rid of these nutters? This problem needs to be treated at the source initially - the training camps, the bomb factories, the research locations etc. All of which we KNOW is located within Syria and Iraq.

Disable the training camps and the people in them, and you potentially stop hundreds of recruits carrying out attacks. This is almost impossible by air alone.

We are at war already. Do we want that war in the streets of Europe? Or do we want it where it is currently being planned and developed?

 

I am not for a minute suggesting that it would be a three week in and out operation. I just fail to see a better option.

 

Obviously, the preference would be for the local nations to sort this out and deploy their boots on the ground but can anyone really see that happening?

[Sour Mash]

Maybe compassion to people who have been bombed out of their homes and their lives destroyed is why they come here? Ever thought about compassion? And before you blather on about the fact that the Muslims have no compassion for the West so why should we show them compassion, the terrorists are a small group of nutters and not representative of the entire Muslim population. Particularly of those escaping persecution.

So no actual answer to my question, fair enough.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Before we get into full "bomb the bastards mode" here I will point out that the two fanatics who murdered poor Lee Rigby were born in the UK, never fought with ISIS and needed to cross no international border in order to commit their appalling crime.

[Verbal]

Has there been one single benefit to Western Europe as a result of mass muslim immigration?

 

As clearly your skin crawls in the presence of black and Asian faces, I'd recommend you don't open this link - a very limited list of prominent Muslims in the UK alone. You can deduce their 'benefit' to the UK from their titles.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims

 

There are plenty of other lists, plenty of other names, plenty of other benefits. Your question is really beneath contempt.

[Sour Mash]

As clearly your skin crawls in the presence of black and Asian faces, I'd recommend you don't open this link - a very limited list of prominent Muslims in the UK alone. You can deduce their 'benefit' to the UK from their titles.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims

 

There are plenty of other lists, plenty of other names, plenty of other benefits. Your question is really beneath contempt.

Still obsessed I see.

[Batman]

Before we get into full "bomb the bastards mode" here I will point out that the two fanatics who murdered poor Lee Rigby were born in the UK, never fought with ISIS and needed to cross no international border in order to commit their appalling crime.

 

Well done