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[Batman]

After telling who ever wants to come, to get in the water (for a free taxi) and get your arses across into Europe.

 

Millions have..

 

Now, Merkel wants the law to change that if you do come over and sentenced to 3+ years in prison for any crime. You will be immediately deported

 

Way too late for that you stupid woman

[hypochondriac]

But you told us that...

 

 

 

which is, at best, mischievous. it's been stated here many, many times that nobody, but nobody, has ever said that genuine refugees from the civil war in Syria should not be taken into Europe for safety.

 

This debate is about the events in Cologne at New Year. The facts (real ones) are that out of 31 people arrested so far, 18 are recent "border-busting" assylum seekers. Of the 31 arrested, 27 are Arabs, but only 4 of those are Syrian. So this is nothing to do with closing the doors of Europe to those pouring out of Syria. It is to do with having proper border controls to make sure that bunches of potential thugs from anywhere between Bangladesh and Morocco are sent packing unless they have a genuine reason to enter Europe.

 

In my opinion, FWIW, these groups of men from all over the Arab world are far more responsible for the deaths of innocent women and children in the Mediterranean than we are, because they constantly overload and abuse those facilities that exist from the EU, UN and various charities that exist to deal with genuine refugees.

 

The reality is that for every Syrian refugee that has entered Europe, half a dozen other potential thugs have sneaked in beside them. Events now demonstrate that they may turn out to be rapists or terrorists. It was wrong to do it, and it would be wrong to allow it to continue.

 

 

 

I remember listening to an interview on BBC World Service radio a few months ago. They were doing follow-up with refugees that they had interviewed previously. It was a young Syrian man who was heading for Germany. In the follow up, he had arrived safely in Germany and been registered. He told the interviewer that they told him that he could stay in a hostel with other young Syrian men that were in the same position as him, to help him to acclimatise to his new life. When he got there they put him in a 4-bed dormitory. He was surprised to find that he was the only Syrian among them.

 

 

 

In my opinion Britain is doing a reasonable job of bringing properly vetted genuine Syrian refugees to Britain, for an initial 5 year period, and otherwise keeping the rest out at Calais. I think we should probably bring more genuine refugees.

 

Really good post and I imagine the vast amount of sane people would have views similar to this. Britain's actions have shown a mixture of compassion and common sense thought as you say I think we could manage a few more genuine refugees.

[sadoldgit]

The What-aboutery by soggy is a beautiful thing to witness.

 

No matter what it is. He will keep going.

 

As do you, Caped Crusader.

[sadoldgit]

Glad we agree on something.

 

But we don't agree. I used Maidstone as an example as it is something I know about first hand. Not only have I seen it but I have dealt with the crime reports on a daily basis. You can exchange Maidstone for any number of town centres at the weekend sadly. No doubt you have seen the numerous programmes on Binge Drinking Britain? What happened in Cologne is unacceptable be it migrants or who ever carried out the sexual assaults and robberies. It is even more worrying if reports are true and the attacks were orchestrated and more worrying still that there appears to be an attempt to cover up what happened by the authorities. But as I said earlier, this isn't just a problem to do with migrants or "drunken muslim men" as was first reported. Violence against women is being carried out on our own doorstep regularly and by men of all races and creeds. Many sexual assaults are carried out after drunken nights out. Many do not involve alcohol. As far as I know there was 1 rape reported after the Cologne incident. The Rape Crisis Centre reports that on average there at 11 rapes carried out per hour in England and Wales. That is about 1 rape every 5 minutes on average. The Cologne incident is a worry but the problem is not just a group of drunken, possibly Muslim, migrants. There is a much wider issue here about how some men feel they can behave towards women, drunk or not.

[hypochondriac]

But we don't agree. I used Maidstone as an example as it is something I know about first hand. Not only have I seen it but I have dealt with the crime reports on a daily basis. You can exchange Maidstone for any number of town centres at the weekend sadly. No doubt you have seen the numerous programmes on Binge Drinking Britain? What happened in Cologne is unacceptable be it migrants or who ever carried out the sexual assaults and robberies. It is even more worrying if reports are true and the attacks were orchestrated and more worrying still that there appears to be an attempt to cover up what happened by the authorities. But as I said earlier, this isn't just a problem to do with migrants or "drunken muslim men" as was first reported. Violence against women is being carried out on our own doorstep regularly and by men of all races and creeds. Many sexual assaults are carried out after drunken nights out. Many do not involve alcohol. As far as I know there was 1 rape reported after the Cologne incident. The Rape Crisis Centre reports that on average there at 11 rapes carried out per hour in England and Wales. That is about 1 rape every 5 minutes on average. The Cologne incident is a worry but the problem is not just a group of drunken, possibly Muslim, migrants. There is a much wider issue here about how some men feel they can behave towards women, drunk or not.

 

So in reality you ARE trying to compare town centres in Britain with what happened it cologne. How is it the same?

[whelk]

But we don't agree. I used Maidstone as an example as it is something I know about first hand. Not only have I seen it but I have dealt with the crime reports on a daily basis. You can exchange Maidstone for any number of town centres at the weekend sadly. No doubt you have seen the numerous programmes on Binge Drinking Britain? What happened in Cologne is unacceptable be it migrants or who ever carried out the sexual assaults and robberies. It is even more worrying if reports are true and the attacks were orchestrated and more worrying still that there appears to be an attempt to cover up what happened by the authorities. But as I said earlier, this isn't just a problem to do with migrants or "drunken muslim men" as was first reported. Violence against women is being carried out on our own doorstep regularly and by men of all races and creeds. Many sexual assaults are carried out after drunken nights out. Many do not involve alcohol. As far as I know there was 1 rape reported after the Cologne incident. The Rape Crisis Centre reports that on average there at 11 rapes carried out per hour in England and Wales. That is about 1 rape every 5 minutes on average. The Cologne incident is a worry but the problem is not just a group of drunken, possibly Muslim, migrants. There is a much wider issue here about how some men feel they can behave towards women, drunk or not.

 

I haven't gone back through this thread since yesterday but are you now saying don't worry about Cologne as rapes happen everywhere? Would fit with your usual argument MO

[CB Fry]

Why is SOG blathering on about rape in Berkshire on a thread about the Paris massacre?

[Sour Mash]

But we don't agree. I used Maidstone as an example as it is something I know about first hand. Not only have I seen it but I have dealt with the crime reports on a daily basis. You can exchange Maidstone for any number of town centres at the weekend sadly. No doubt you have seen the numerous programmes on Binge Drinking Britain? What happened in Cologne is unacceptable be it migrants or who ever carried out the sexual assaults and robberies. It is even more worrying if reports are true and the attacks were orchestrated and more worrying still that there appears to be an attempt to cover up what happened by the authorities. But as I said earlier, this isn't just a problem to do with migrants or "drunken muslim men" as was first reported. Violence against women is being carried out on our own doorstep regularly and by men of all races and creeds. Many sexual assaults are carried out after drunken nights out. Many do not involve alcohol. As far as I know there was 1 rape reported after the Cologne incident. The Rape Crisis Centre reports that on average there at 11 rapes carried out per hour in England and Wales. That is about 1 rape every 5 minutes on average. The Cologne incident is a worry but the problem is not just a group of drunken, possibly Muslim, migrants. There is a much wider issue here about how some men feel they can behave towards women, drunk or not.

 

For one final time, are you saying similar events to Cologne happen in average English towns on a Saturday night?

[Batman]

For one final time, are you saying similar events to Cologne happen in average English towns on a Saturday night?

 

there is a clear massive cultural problem in letting god knows how many Arab men into western Europe. We are seeing that right now. It was predicted and shouted down many times. Why does he need to try and almost 'OK' their actions?

[whelk]

Why is SOG blathering on about rape in Berkshire on a thread about the Paris massacre?

 

Vintage SOG as usual. Although being pedantic he is talking about Kent

[CB Fry]

Vintage SOG as usual. Although being pedantic he is talking about Kent

It's been a long, long time but it may look like I have finally got something wrong on this forum.

[Sour Mash]

there is a clear massive cultural problem in letting god knows how many Arab men into western Europe. We are seeing that right now. It was predicted and shouted down many times. Why does he need to try and almost 'OK' their actions?

 

How many of the refugees coming into Europe has Benedict Cumberbach, Bob Geldolf or Nicola Sturgeon put up in their lovely spacious homes yet?

[Batman]

Why is it that very little is said when Islamic clerics are touring our universities, preaching their medieval crap

 

Yet, last year.... Someone said something contentious about transgenders and the luvvis went into meltdown about it. Her main Greer is banned from speaking at universities.!!! But speak a bit of Islamic hate and the red carpet is rolled out for you

 

One well known Muslim (weirdo) is lecturing students on all things Islam and informing them that they should not mix with females, they should be encouraged to have many partners as they want and gives the students details on how to physically discipline your wife safely with a small bit of wood. Also it is perfectly acceptable to hit her if she does not please you, like when she goes out and does not tell you where she is going.

 

 

 

Fadel soliman is his name.

 

 

Saturday 9 Jan's first example.

 

a few links

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391194/Speaker-tells-students-s-fine-hit-wife-doesn-t-string-extremists-touring-British-universities-unchallenged.html

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391501/Crown-judge-rule-sharia-cases-court-set-hardline-cleric-led-demonstration-against-Charlie-Hebdo.html

[hutch]

How many of the refugees coming into Europe has Benedict Cumberbach, Bob Geldolf or Nicola Sturgeon put up in their lovely spacious homes yet?

 

Another little gem from the BBC?

 

This one was about 6 months ago, again on World Service radio. It was a live telephone interview with a woman from Iceland that had opened her home for Syrian refugees. When asked what her neighbours felt she had to admit that she hadn't actually done it yet but she was considering it. A bit of a silence, but instead of cutting the interview short the gallant presenter persevered. She asked what was the weather like for refugees coming from the heat of Syria to Iceland. Again Mrs. Big-Heart couldn't answer, as she wasn't actually in Iceland. She was in London. But what was she doing in London I hear you ask. She works there of course. As a lawyer. Specialising in handling immigration appeals for assylum seekers.

 

The organisation is an embarrassment. It's past saving and should be shut down.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Another little gem from the BBC?

 

This one was about 6 months ago, again on World Service radio. It was a live telephone interview with a woman from Iceland that had opened her home for Syrian refugees. When asked what her neighbours felt she had to admit that she hadn't actually done it yet but she was considering it. A bit of a silence, but instead of cutting the interview short the gallant presenter persevered. She asked what was the weather like for refugees coming from the heat of Syria to Iceland. Again Mrs. Big-Heart couldn't answer, as she wasn't actually in Iceland. She was in London. But what was she doing in London I hear you ask. She works there of course. As a lawyer. Specialising in handling immigration appeals for assylum seekers.

 

The organisation is an embarrassment. It's past saving and should be shut down.

 

Indeed - I see that the notorious lefty and innately biased BBC is STILL refusing to even mention the ''Cologne incident'' in a sinister attempt to hush it all up presumably: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35271171

 

It all part of a huge conspiracy you see ...

[whelk]

Another little gem from the BBC?

 

This one was about 6 months ago, again on World Service radio. It was a live telephone interview with a woman from Iceland that had opened her home for Syrian refugees. When asked what her neighbours felt she had to admit that she hadn't actually done it yet but she was considering it. A bit of a silence, but instead of cutting the interview short the gallant presenter persevered. She asked what was the weather like for refugees coming from the heat of Syria to Iceland. Again Mrs. Big-Heart couldn't answer, as she wasn't actually in Iceland. She was in London. But what was she doing in London I hear you ask. She works there of course. As a lawyer. Specialising in handling immigration appeals for assylum seekers.

 

The organisation is an embarrassment. It's past saving and should be shut down.

 

Daily Mail reader by any chance?

[sadoldgit]

Vintage SOG as usual. Although being pedantic he is talking about Kent

 

When this news first started to break a big deal was being made about the offences being carried out by Muslims/Migrants as if that was the overriding factor. I was simply pointing out that men get drunk and cause offenses all over the place and it is not the sole preserve of Muslims or migrants. A sex offender is a sex offender be he from Syria or Southampton. It is no greater offence if the offender is a Muslim or a migrant or both. It is dreadful that a rape and several sexual assaults were carried out the other night in Cologne but these things (sexual molestation, robbery) go on here on a regular basis albeit on a smaller scale, often perpetrated by young, drunk men, without the media batting an eyelid. Yes, the scale of the attacks made the Cologne attacks newsworthy but if you multiply the offences that are committed at weekends across this country by drunken men on women you would end up with more offenders than you had in Cologne. And before the usual suspects start trying to pretend that I am apologist for offending Muslims or migrants, any found guilty of committing unlawful offences should be prosecuted as should any body else.

[sadoldgit]

I haven't gone back through this thread since yesterday but are you now saying don't worry about Cologne as rapes happen everywhere? Would fit with your usual argument MO

 

At no point did I say don't worry about Cologne as rapes happen everywhere.

[sadoldgit]

there is a clear massive cultural problem in letting god knows how many Arab men into western Europe. We are seeing that right now. It was predicted and shouted down many times. Why does he need to try and almost 'OK' their actions?

 

"There is a clear massive cultural problem in letting god knows how many Arab men into Western Europe." Why is that? Are they all potential rapists/robbers? Could you clarify please as you are beginning to sound like Donal Trump again.

[sadoldgit]

a few links

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391194/Speaker-tells-students-s-fine-hit-wife-doesn-t-string-extremists-touring-British-universities-unchallenged.html

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391501/Crown-judge-rule-sharia-cases-court-set-hardline-cleric-led-demonstration-against-Charlie-Hebdo.html

 

Are the Daily Mail the only ones who know about this stuff?

[hutch]

Daily Mail reader by any chance?

 

Why would that have any bearing on what the BBC broadcasts?

[sadoldgit]

For one final time, are you saying similar events to Cologne happen in average English towns on a Saturday night?

 

If you look at the crime reports after the weekend you will find a great many arrests for sexual molestation, assault, robbery etc caused by drunken young men. Not once did I say that it happens in an English town on the scale of the attacks in Cologne, but if you look at the arrests across the country it adds up to a major problem. There have been a number of programmes about the problems that alcohol and binge drinking cause in this country. Not all sexual offences are caused by young men drinking alcohol of course and it seems like the offenses in Cologne were carried out by group of young drunk men. But when you look at the figures presented by Rape Crisis - approx. 85,000 women and 12000 men are raped in England and Wales every year, isn't this a greater issue than one night in Cologne? Yes, the attacks that took place are disturbing but in terms of the bigger picture the context changes somewhat. Rape/sexual assault is a constant major issue but it seems to me lately that if you can attach the word migrant or muslim before the alleged offender suddenly it becomes more newsworthy.

[sadoldgit]

Meant to mention this earlier. C B Fry made a valid comment earlier about why was I blathering on about rape in England on a thread about the Paris massacre. To try and pull it together - my point is that instead of getting worked up about Muslims/Migrants or whatever labels the media want to stick on people - the fact is that the problem is not muslims or migrants as the vast majority of these people are normal peaceloving folk like (some) of us. The problem lies with a certain number of people who, for whatever reason, do not adhere to the social contract that the peaceful, normal people live their lives by. You don't have to look very far to see political capital being made out of the Cologne attacks or any terrorist attacks. I have been labelled an apologist and that is fine by me. I will apologise all day long for people who are peaceful and who live their lives in a decent law abiding fashion. I have been ridiculed for stating the obvious. Fine but when you read that Mulsims who ran a fish and chip shop in Scotland were attacked after the Paris massacre simply because they are Muslim, perhaps it needs more people to state the obvious. The deeply unpleasant Katie Hopkins was annoyed that more Muslims were coming out and distancing themselves from the atrocities. So Katie, how many does it take to satisfy you because I have seen plenty saying "not in our name." In fact, the same time she was saying this there was a peace march by Muslims in London. Not enough though eh Katie? On this very thread there are some views which are clearly Islamphobic (if there is such a word). A few prolific posters call people from the middle east "medieval." Some of the behaviour clearly is but isn't it going a bit fat to label millions as such because of the behaviour of a minority. For every Jihadi John there are hundreds of thousands of decent people who happen to come under the same religious umbrella. For every Imam preaching racial hatred you will find hundreds preaching tolerance. IS want the West to rail against Islam. Far right wingers want either closed borders or much stricter border controls. Every time there is a Cologne or a Paris it works against the moderates. So yes, I will apologise for the moderates and will continue to point out that there are plenty in our "civilised" culture who behave in "medieval" ways too.

[Guan 2.0]

Thanks for asking. Pretty much what Verbal said above in response to SOG. Horrendous situation - not comparable on any level with a drunken Sat night in England. As Verbal said, very reminiscent of the stories from female Western journalists out of Cairo, which horrified me at the time.

 

Clearly caught German police unaware on the night and handled really badly afterwards. (Arm's length? Good lord). But the backward repressed attitude towards women from Middle Eastern countries is not new news to us, and European Governments need to plan how to tackle issues like this so they can respond more proactively. But it's a problem - no question. An example of how bad it can go.

 

BUT. Not for a nano second would I believe that this is reason why Europe shouldn't assistant in what is one of the biggest humanitarian crisis of our time. To seriously suggest we should be closing the doors of Europe to those pouring out of Syria is inhumane and short sighted, much as the current situation is fraught with problems. It is my belief (rightly or wrongly) we need to be taking more responsibility for these issues. Learning from previous mistakes, and putting concerted effort into all avenues. And I don't believe more dictators is the answer either.

 

I can't speak for anyone else on this thread, but I that borders should not be shut completely unless there is a national crisis in place. Instead, I would prefer conditionally open or controlled borders, as is the norm in this country. I wish we had the infrastructure to lift more from the shelter zones, as one thing i agree with the Government on is helping those individuals who are most at risk and in the greatest peril.

 

However, as someone who is left of centre socially an politically, it was not hard to see problems arising. Preliminary reports by the UN and the EU into the origin and demographics of the 2015 migration showed that a fair proportion of those entering Europe (and others, such as Slavs from inside Europe), were not from Syria, or indeed from active areas of conflict. It also showed a skewed proportion of young men without a higher education.

 

But the message Promoted by Western and Northern Europe leaders was one of weel educated, helpless refugees fleeing conflict, in contradiction to their own evidence, and this was treated as dogma when engaging with the Press and existing population of Europe. The first major schism from the fabricated reality arose when these peaceful refugees started using violence (inwardly and outwardly) to regularly break the rule of law (including the same law they were seeking shelter under), destroying documents, and demanding access to countries with the best benefit package.

 

I have every sympathy with those in Syria living under fear of death, and those who have made it to safety. I have nothing but contempt for those who have used abuse, intimidation and extortion to break into Europe, and now seek to visit every kind of violence upon its citizens, nor those who would mask their crimes.

 

P.S. I am not suggesting you are the one masking any crime!

[Coxford_lou]

But you told us that...

 

which is, at best, mischievous. it's been stated here many, many times that nobody, but nobody, has ever said that genuine refugees from the civil war in Syria should not be taken into Europe for safety.

 

Mischievous? Blimey. First I'm flippant, now I'm mischievous...and only at best. Hate to think what worst might be. You guys are so *****ly. There was no mischief in my post.

 

Whelk asked my opinion and gave it in relatively broad terms. Cologne can't be discussed without looking at the wider context in my opinion. The whole situation is fraught with challenges. 'Closing doors on Europe' is a phrase I've seen around, so I was covering that off. Merkel's response was a consequence of the humanitarian issue (and other German needs). That makes the connection, regardless of who the perpetrators of this crime were, absolutely relevant. There's nothing in your response I would massively disagree with.*Don't be so defensive; I've not accused you or anyone else of anything.

 

To respond to Sour Mash on my comment about Russia + Assad + IS against the Syrian population - no, doesn't make much sense to me either, but those are the reports coming out of the country. Watch a couple of short clips here:

 

 

 

It's civilian journalism, and a lot of unsubstantiated claims, but it's an eye opener and gives important context.

[Coxford_lou]

Ha. The *****ly isn't an offensive word before anyone starts getting hot under the collar. The sentence should read: you guys are so pr*ckly.

[Goatboy]

Ha. The *****ly isn't an offensive word before anyone starts getting hot under the collar. The sentence should read: you guys are so pr*ckly.

 

mental innit lou? unlike on papsweb, I'm not allowed to say **** **** bollicky ****flaps ****face.

[Sour Mash]

If you look at the crime reports after the weekend you will find a great many arrests for sexual molestation, assault, robbery etc caused by drunken young men. Not once did I say that it happens in an English town on the scale of the attacks in Cologne, but if you look at the arrests across the country it adds up to a major problem. There have been a number of programmes about the problems that alcohol and binge drinking cause in this country. Not all sexual offences are caused by young men drinking alcohol of course and it seems like the offenses in Cologne were carried out by group of young drunk men. But when you look at the figures presented by Rape Crisis - approx. 85,000 women and 12000 men are raped in England and Wales every year, isn't this a greater issue than one night in Cologne? Yes, the attacks that took place are disturbing but in terms of the bigger picture the context changes somewhat. Rape/sexual assault is a constant major issue but it seems to me lately that if you can attach the word migrant or muslim before the alleged offender suddenly it becomes more newsworthy.

Just a "Yes" or "No" to my question will do.

[Guan 2.0]

If you look at the crime reports after the weekend you will find a great many arrests for sexual molestation, assault, robbery etc caused by drunken young men. Not once did I say that it happens in an English town on the scale of the attacks in Cologne, but if you look at the arrests across the country it adds up to a major problem. There have been a number of programmes about the problems that alcohol and binge drinking cause in this country. Not all sexual offences are caused by young men drinking alcohol of course and it seems like the offenses in Cologne were carried out by group of young drunk men. But when you look at the figures presented by Rape Crisis - approx. 85,000 women and 12000 men are raped in England and Wales every year, isn't this a greater issue than one night in Cologne? Yes, the attacks that took place are disturbing but in terms of the bigger picture the context changes somewhat. Rape/sexual assault is a constant major issue but it seems to me lately that if you can attach the word migrant or muslim before the alleged offender suddenly it becomes more newsworthy.

 

If you are going to use the numbers provided by Rape crisis, you should also list the criticisms of their methodology they use in coming to their collusions. They don't actually count the numbers of rape victims in the UK, so saying that approx 85,00 and 12000 men are raped is just a best guess. They in fact use the accounts of women who have been raped, and often those who have supported them through therapy and recuperation, and extrapolate the numbers of women raped across the population from there.

 

The problem with this is that they are tainting their results by using a biased (statistically speaking) source, and then presenting it as the everyday experience of all women. Asking a Rape victim if she has ever been raped, and her support network if they know of any woman who has ever been raped, is only ever going to provide one answer, and it presents a distorted view when submitted as a blanket conclusion.

 

Also, counting individual rapes as rape victims. If a woman is raped by a violent male figure (who she feels unable to escape) 30 times in a week, then she has been raped 30 times, that is not 30 victims that need to be extrapolated up across the study. And while the statistics on reported rapes used by Rape Crisis were from 2013, a number of the papers used to provide evidence for attitudes towards rape were published in 2005 and earlier. Given that these studies can take 2-6 years to complete before publishing we are talking about studies that may not have even been conducted this side of the millennium, and therefore would not pass modern scholastic standards on Confirmation bias and illusory correlation. Looking closer, some of the sources used from 2007 onwards are little more than review papers of others much earlier work.

 

These are just some of the reasons that the Rape Crisis numbers are not given more attention by the Public, Media, and Government, and unfortunately, is also used by some to diminish the traumatic process that many rape survivors go through. I also support those who argue that the Government should fund a full study under academic standards, rather than an NGO with little accountability.

 

But the new issue facing Northern and Western Europe today is the willingness of some from Asia and Africa to become part of organised gangs that prey on young European woman, looking to Rape and abuse them, at the same time as robbing them of their valuables and self-worth. And unfortunately it was not inevitable, as the Finnish Police force's proactive approach proved. This could have been averted, and it is strange that when discussing this, the fact that the culture of some of the offenders host nation posits that a women and her testimony are worth 1/2 or 1/4 of a man's (depending if you prefer the Qur'an or Hadith) and that unaccompanied women are seen as incapable of being raped, is never mentioned by policy makers.

[Batman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3392507/Man-attacked-Paris-police-station-classed-possible-terror-suspect-posing-ISIS-flag-living-German-asylum-centre-disappeared-December.html

 

Merkal will go down as the leader who imported Islamic terrorism onto mainland Europe

 

She was being selfish and thinking this liberal approach would wipe their slate clean. Given their obvious hang-ups about their dodgy past.

Edited 10 January, 2016 by Batman

[holepuncture]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3392507/Man-attacked-Paris-police-station-classed-possible-terror-suspect-posing-ISIS-flag-living-German-asylum-centre-disappeared-December.html

 

Sadly this was predicted and inevitable, Isis even told us this is what they would do.

 

In other news, over 500 cases of assault now reported in Cologne.

 

These vermin are a danger to us all.

[Batman]

Sadly this was predicted and inevitable, Isis even told us this is what they would do.

 

In other news, over 500 cases of assault now reported in Cologne.

 

These vermin are a danger to us all.

 

Who would have guessed that these things would quickly happen?

 

Oh yeah you say? God knows how many did, that is who and were shouted down on here, in the media and elsewhere. Cumberbatch, sheen, sturgeon and many others were all too keen to have a pop at Cameron for not just opening our borders up to who ever wanted to come. Where are they now?

 

 

 

This total uncontrolled immigration has to stop in the mainland and actually help those who need it in a proper and controlled way.

 

Can't wait for Germany to dish out passports to all. Should help

Edited 10 January, 2016 by Batman

[sadoldgit]

If you are going to use the numbers provided by Rape crisis, you should also list the criticisms of their methodology they use in coming to their collusions. They don't actually count the numbers of rape victims in the UK, so saying that approx 85,00 and 12000 men are raped is just a best guess. They in fact use the accounts of women who have been raped, and often those who have supported them through therapy and recuperation, and extrapolate the numbers of women raped across the population from there.

 

The problem with this is that they are tainting their results by using a biased (statistically speaking) source, and then presenting it as the everyday experience of all women. Asking a Rape victim if she has ever been raped, and her support network if they know of any woman who has ever been raped, is only ever going to provide one answer, and it presents a distorted view when submitted as a blanket conclusion.

 

Also, counting individual rapes as rape victims. If a woman is raped by a violent male figure (who she feels unable to escape) 30 times in a week, then she has been raped 30 times, that is not 30 victims that need to be extrapolated up across the study. And while the statistics on reported rapes used by Rape Crisis were from 2013, a number of the papers used to provide evidence for attitudes towards rape were published in 2005 and earlier. Given that these studies can take 2-6 years to complete before publishing we are talking about studies that may not have even been conducted this side of the millennium, and therefore would not pass modern scholastic standards on Confirmation bias and illusory correlation. Looking closer, some of the sources used from 2007 onwards are little more than review papers of others much earlier work.

 

These are just some of the reasons that the Rape Crisis numbers are not given more attention by the Public, Media, and Government, and unfortunately, is also used by some to diminish the traumatic process that many rape survivors go through. I also support those who argue that the Government should fund a full study under academic standards, rather than an NGO with little accountability.

 

But the new issue facing Northern and Western Europe today is the willingness of some from Asia and Africa to become part of organised gangs that prey on young European woman, looking to Rape and abuse them, at the same time as robbing them of their valuables and self-worth. And unfortunately it was not inevitable, as the Finnish Police force's proactive approach proved. This could have been averted, and it is strange that when discussing this, the fact that the culture of some of the offenders host nation posits that a women and her testimony are worth 1/2 or 1/4 of a man's (depending if you prefer the Qur'an or Hadith) and that unaccompanied women are seen as incapable of being raped, is never mentioned by policy makers.

 

It is very difficult to get an accurate figure. Having worked with the Rape & Serious Sexual Offences unit for the CPS in Kent they will say that the actual figures are much higher than the recorded figures. I used the figures from Rape Crisis because they will be closer to the truth than the figures for reported sexual crime. From personal experience though discussions with female friends I know that many sexual offences go unreported. A number of reported cases get dropped on a regular basis for a number of reasons Whatever the actual figures, the simple fact is that there is an awful lot of sexual crime still going on all around the world. There are cultural issues, yes, but the bottom line is that where ever you are in the world, there are some men who cannot control themselves, drunk or otherwise.

[shirleysfc]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3392507/Man-attacked-Paris-police-station-classed-possible-terror-suspect-posing-ISIS-flag-living-German-asylum-centre-disappeared-December.html

 

Merkal will go down as the leader who imported Islamic terrorism onto mainland Europe

 

She was being selfish and thinking this liberal approach would wipe their slate clean. Given their obvious hang-ups about their dodgy past.

 

Lol. Are you actually claiming that Merkal's open door policy to refugees is because she feels guilty about WWI and WWII??

[Batman]

Lol. Are you actually claiming that Merkal's open door policy to refugees is because she feels guilty about WWI and WWII??

 

there is a huge feeling in Germany about they still need to make amends for their past

 

the person who told me has lived in Germany for the last 17 years, his wife, kids and in-laws are all German.

fairly sufficent to use that to post some crap on a football message board

[Window Cleaner]

Lol. Are you actually claiming that Merkal's open door policy to refugees is because she feels guilty about WWI and WWII??

 

No idea, I had some vague notion that she thought they'd be getting some more cheap labour and even better some already (and thus cheap) qualified doctors, nurses and engineeers of which I am told they are sorely lacking.

Ma Merkel has screwed up, unfortunately the rest of Europe will pay for it for the next 100 years.

[Johnny Bognor]

Oh dear....

 

So the Swedes have now been caught out covering up mass sex attacks in 2014 and 2015 at Europe's largest youth festival...

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/775235c8-b834-11e5-bf7e-8a339b6f2164.html#axzz3wx0KrhSG

http://www.680news.com/2016/01/11/swedish-police-have-confirmed-that-there-were-widespread-sexual-assaults-at-music-festival-in-stockholm-last-summer-but-denied-a/

 

I don't know about you, but Liberalism to me is about liberty and equality. Such things as 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of the press' are central. Therefore, why are those with a liberal agenda, choosing to lie to us about certain events? Are liberals just as hypocritical as your average lefty???

 

Edited 11 January, 2016 by Johnny Bognor

[Batman]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/633689/Calais-migrant-crisis-refugees-attack-British-school-coach-rocks-violence

 

todays offering

 

Guessing (if not already) Calais will be a 'no go zone' for many going across into Europe

Edited 12 January, 2016 by Batman

[whelk]

Seems a bit of cover up in Sweden as well

 

Ahh just seen posted above but was covered on Newsnight

[Sour Mash]

And just another day in Islam's impact on the West. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35295579.

 

And still we're told we should take more of these people.

[Batman]

todays offering from the Europe

Just such lovely people they have welcomed over there

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397264/Denmark-latest-country-report-surge-women-groped-groups-migrants-locals-say-Syrians-nuts-girl.html

[Verbal]

And just another day in Islam's impact on the West. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35295579.

 

And still we're told we should take more of these people.

 

Extreme-right prejudice and liberal denial are two sides of the same coin: denying the misogynistic culture that underpins these attacks and demonising all refugees are both disgraceful distortions which feed off each other.

[Batman]

Todays offering

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400842/German-leisure-centre-ban-migrants-schoolgirl-sexually-assaulted-public-swimming-pool-Syrian-teenagers.html

[holepuncture]

Todays offering

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400842/German-leisure-centre-ban-migrants-schoolgirl-sexually-assaulted-public-swimming-pool-Syrian-teenagers.html

 

Meanwhile, German police also claim to have solved another sex attack, this time concerning the rape and attempted murder of a 24-year-old woman on Christmas Eve after tracing DNA to a man in a nearby asylum home.

 

The alleged attacker, aged 20 and from Morocco, had been previously arrested for theft in Dusseldorf where a sample had been taken that allowed him to be identified as the rapist who was short while later attacked the young woman outside a cemetery in Gelsenkirchen.

 

The attacker approached her from behind and beat her unconscious before dragging her into the cemetery to rape her.

 

Disgraceful. Moroccan too which is ridiculous.

 

These "daily offerings" will only continue now that the political/media-blackout can of worms has been opened.

 

This is the future we have brought upon ourselves

[Batman]

I bet they think they are religious. It is their interpretation that is very different from others.

 

what a big mess

 

 

Politicians across Europe have made last nights events possible by allowing the mass migration of people whose culture is completely at odds with the West.

 

Meanwhile Merkel and her cosy gang of liberal minded types allow wave after wave to enter mainland Europe.

 

then a couple of deniers

which has absolutely nothing to do with what happened last night, get a bit more clued up please.

 

Not for the fist time you have completely missed the point, I said that the only way this conflict will finally end will result in people sitting around a table.

To make such a cheap point in the aftermath of what happened last night does you no credit.

 

some people were in a bit of denial at the start of this thread. Even suggesting we should sit round the table to talk it out

 

it's only going to get worse in Europe

 

some more info to digest

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400972/German-town-cancels-annual-carnival-fears-Cologne-style-sex-assaults-women.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400724/Switzerland-copies-Denmark-forces-migrants-hand-possessions-help-pay-upkeep-claims-10-wages-earn-ten-years.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400783/Group-Syrian-Afghan-migrant-boys-sexually-assaulted-three-girls-Austrian-school-MONTHS-police-notified.html

Edited 15 January, 2016 by Batman

[aintforever]

The migrants arriving in Europe obviously causes problems but they pale into insignificance compared with the problems the normal decent people in Syria and Iraq face, partly thanks to what our country has done.

 

German women having their arses groped is not good but in Syria thousands have had the face the choice of fleeing their homes or face living under the control of a psychopathic death cult and get bombed by various armies. The least we should do is help them even if it effects our cushty lives a little bit.

[hypochondriac]

The migrants arriving in Europe obviously causes problems but they pale into insignificance compared with the problems the normal decent people in Syria and Iraq face, partly thanks to what our country has done.

 

German women having their arses groped is not good but in Syria thousands have had the face the choice of fleeing their homes or face living under the control of a psychopathic death cult and get bombed by various armies. The least we should do is help them even if it effects our cushty lives a little bit.

 

What sort of warped logic is that? That's almost suggesting that the groped women in Germany have brought it on themselves. What decision did they personally make to invade Iraq?

[aintforever]

What sort of warped logic is that? That's almost suggesting that the groped women in Germany have brought it on themselves. What decision did they personally make to invade Iraq?

 

I said we should help, not Germany.

[sadoldgit]

then a couple of deniers

 

 

 

 

some people were in a bit of denial at the start of this thread. Even suggesting we should sit round the table to talk it out

 

it's only going to get worse in Europe

 

some more info to digest

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400972/German-town-cancels-annual-carnival-fears-Cologne-style-sex-assaults-women.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400724/Switzerland-copies-Denmark-forces-migrants-hand-possessions-help-pay-upkeep-claims-10-wages-earn-ten-years.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3400783/Group-Syrian-Afghan-migrant-boys-sexually-assaulted-three-girls-Austrian-school-MONTHS-police-notified.html

 

The situation in the Middle East, if it ever does get resolved, will finally be resolved by peace talks. You keep posting articles from the Daily Mail, why is that? If there is a concern here about migrants it is about the poor b*stards whose lives have been wrecked in Syria and are looking for somewhere safer to live. I doubt very much if anyone here or anywhere else has any sympathy for migrants (or anyone else for that matter) who commit crimes.

 

PS. You do know that you are not really Batman, don't you?

Edited 16 January, 2016 by sadoldgit

[Guan 2.0]

The migrants arriving in Europe obviously causes problems but they pale into insignificance compared with the problems the normal decent people in Syria and Iraq face, partly thanks to what our country has done.

 

German women having their arses groped is not good but in Syria thousands have had the face the choice of fleeing their homes or face living under the control of a psychopathic death cult and get bombed by various armies. The least we should do is help them even if it effects our cushty lives a little bit.

 

German women, Austrian women, Danish Women, and Swedish women, being raped and sexually abused. That's just the crimes that have come out in the last week. It's a bit more than 'having their arses groped'.

 

The choice to do that has nothing to do with us living comfortable or 'Cushty' lives as you put it, and they, nor do we bear not encourage the blaming of victims for the for the crimes of others.