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[buctootim]

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.

 

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

 

 

https://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/13145/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/

Edited 7 February, 2020 by buctootim

[Turkish]

Do you know what was used as a justification for slavery... the Bible

 

The God of the Bible outlines who you can own, how long you can own them for, how you can punish them and how much they cost. The Bible supports slavery! ffs

 

God released the Israelites from slavery in Egypt pal. So how can he support slavery?

[whelk]

Do you know what was used as a justification for slavery... the Bible

 

The God of the Bible outlines who you can own, how long you can own them for, how you can punish them and how much they cost. The Bible supports slavery! ffs

 

Serious question - do you suffer from mental health issues?

[Turkish]

Once again, where have I not condemned the actions of extremists, no matter where they are from or what religion they are from?

 

Are you Trying to take Johnny boys role as the Jeremy Corbin of mongboards?

[sadoldgit]

I sense a Hitler belt buckle might be raised soon

 

Ah, this old chestnut. Perhaps we can put it to bed once and for all? I have recently seen some stats that show 100% that Germany was a Christian country when we went to war.

In 1933 approx 54% of Germans were Protestant, 40% Catholic and less than 1% Jewish. In 1939 after the annexation of Austria and when war broke out 67% were Protestant and 33% Catholic. You can’t be much more Christian than that.

[buctootim]

Those people in Deuteronomy were sacrificing children, so f*****g

 

Says who?

Edited 7 February, 2020 by buctootim

[sadoldgit]

Are you Trying to take Johnny boys role as the Jeremy Corbin of mongboards?

 

Care to explain? I’ll say it again if you like. Terrorist activities are abhorrent and the people who commit them should be given life sentences. I really don’t think I can be clearer than that.

[whelk]

Ah, this old chestnut. Perhaps we can put it to bed once and for all? I have recently seen some stats that show 100% that Germany was a Christian country when we went to war.

In 1933 approx 54% of Germans were Protestant, 40% Catholic and less than 1% Jewish. In 1939 after the annexation of Austria and when war broke out 67% were Protestant and 33% Catholic. You can’t be much more Christian than that.

 

Staggering. All these years I never realised the Nazis were all about doing God’s will.

[Turkish]

Ah, this old chestnut. Perhaps we can put it to bed once and for all? I have recently seen some stats that show 100% that Germany was a Christian country when we went to war.

In 1933 approx 54% of Germans were Protestant, 40% Catholic and less than 1% Jewish. In 1939 after the annexation of Austria and when war broke out 67% were Protestant and 33% Catholic. You can’t be much more Christian than that.

 

So Hitler united Catholics and Protestants to stand shoulder to shoulder? What a brilliant leader, we should have kept him alive and sent him as peace envoy to Ireland.

[buctootim]

It is not a corruption of it... the scripture says kill the non believers. They haven't twisted the words, they are doing as the book tells them. It is 'moderate' Muslims who have cherry picked and decided not to kill even though the book instructs them to do so.

 

Just like the punishment of the 10 commandments for disobeying your mother and father is death... lots of Christians go against God and don't kill their children.

 

That is a misunderstanding. The divisions in Islam largely stem from whether or not adherents accept later additions to the word of Mohammed. Essentially those who believe everything written after Mohammed is crap don't consider Jews and Christians to be unbelievers.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 person out of how many millions? Whose mother doesn’t want to be proud of her son?

 

Like Hitler?

[Raging Bull]

Says who?

 

They were the Canaanite’s

 

https://www.academia.edu/28849418/Canaanite_Child_Sacrifice_Abortion_and_the_Bible

[Raging Bull]

Ah, this old chestnut. Perhaps we can put it to bed once and for all? I have recently seen some stats that show 100% that Germany was a Christian country when we went to war.

In 1933 approx 54% of Germans were Protestant, 40% Catholic and less than 1% Jewish. In 1939 after the annexation of Austria and when war broke out 67% were Protestant and 33% Catholic. You can’t be much more Christian than that.

 

And here’s the thing about hitler.

 

When he took to trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, he did it via Martin Luther’s preachings.

 

Before he died Luther (for some unknown reason (plus I’ve had a few and can’t be bothered to check)) decided to settle on something called replacement theology (replacing Gods chosen people with the gentiles), effectively saying we (gentiles) are now God’s people not the Jews.

 

This gave hitter all the amo he needed to unite Germany against Jews, and the rest is history

[hypochondriac]

Is religious doctrine a factor in Pakistani grooming gangs and Islamic terrorist attacks? Yes or no. (prediction: you won't answer.)

Told you.

[hypochondriac]

How many Christian extremists are currently running people down in the UK, beheading people and blowing themselves up and pointing to specific verses from their holy book which explicitly call for violence when they do it?

 

How many ex Christians receive death and rape threats for making fun of god or for simply stating they have left the religion? How many Christians in the UK are gang raping young women and specifically point to verses in the bible and their opinion of these women as unbelievers as their justification?

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.

 

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

 

 

https://www.scpr.org/news/2010/03/18/13145/is-the-bible-more-violent-than-the-quran/

Any response? Particularly as you seem so intent on comparing the two religions for some reason as if they can't be judged individually.

[hypochondriac]

That is a misunderstanding. The divisions in Islam largely stem from whether or not adherents accept later additions to the word of Mohammed. Essentially those who believe everything written after Mohammed is crap don't consider Jews and Christians to be unbelievers.

What gives you the authority to refer to parts of the qaran as misunderstandings?

[Turkish]

Like Hitler?

 

Who said his mum wasn’t proud? Ultimately he united a country, brought together Protestants and Catholics like no one else in history and people still talk about him now. Love him or hate him he was one of the great leaders in history and one of the most influential figures of all time.Maybe he should have settled for an admin job at Vienna city council?

[badgerx16]

FWIW, Hitler's mother died in 1907, when he was 18.

[Turkish]

And here’s the thing about hitler.

 

When he took to trying to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, he did it via Martin Luther’s preachings.

 

Before he died Luther (for some unknown reason (plus I’ve had a few and can’t be bothered to check)) decided to settle on something called replacement theology (replacing Gods chosen people with the gentiles), effectively saying we (gentiles) are now God’s people not the Jews.

 

This gave hitter all the amo he needed to unite Germany against Jews, and the rest is history

 

Well, Jews did reject Jesus so a militant Christian might have done that. Not sure he did it off Luther kings teachings, he was only 10 when hitler got into power.

[Turkish]

Well, Jews did reject Jesus so a militant Christian might have done that..

 

Edit wrong person

[hypochondriac]

Who said his mum wasn’t proud? Ultimately he united a country, brought together Protestants and Catholics like no one else in history and people still talk about him now. Love him or hate him he was one of the great leaders in history and one of the most influential figures of all time.Maybe he should have settled for an admin job at Vienna city council?

He's one of the major figures in Christian history. Adolf- the great Christian uniter.

[badgerx16]

...

[sadoldgit]

Like Hitler?

 

[Turkish]

He's one of the major figures in Christian history. Adolf- the great Christian uniter.

 

If he could have had a black, Asian, woman and a disabled person on the 3rd reich cabinet he could,have gone down as the greatest leader of all time, regardless of his policies, that’s just a bi-product of liberalism.

[sadoldgit]

Staggering. All these years I never realised the Nazis were all about doing God’s will.

 

Where in any history books does it say we were at war with the Nazis? They were a political party. We were at war with Germany. If we were at war with the political party members it would have been over in days.

[badgerx16]

If he could have had a black, Asian, woman and a disabled person on the 3rd reich cabinet he could,have gone down as the greatest leader of all time, regardless of his policies, that’s just a bi-product of liberalism.

Well you know what they said; If you had somebody as blond as Hitler, as athletic as Goering, as tall as Goebbels,as intelligent as Hess, and as perfectly sighted as Himmler, you would have the ideal Aryan.

[Turkish]

Well you know what they said; If you had somebody as blond as Hitler, as athletic as Goering, as tall as Goebbels,as intelligent as Hess, and as perfectly sighted as Himmler, you would have the ideal Aryan.

 

You called?

[Jonnyboy]

To be fair, the whole region has been unstable for thousands of years.

 

Last century, there were nearly 100 conflicts between 1900-2000, many of them not involving the west.

 

The bible draws reference to many a conflict and the Quran was compiled in the midst of war and conflict.

 

So let's not pretend that all the regions ills are down to the wicked west. At the end of the day, even the Romans struggled to keep a lid on things in the region of peace LOL

 

WW1 and WW2 LOL

[Jonnyboy]

Are you Trying to take Johnny boys role as the Jeremy Corbin of mongboards?

 

Richard White, its Jonnyboy and Corbyn.

 

What is it about EDL types that they can never spell Corbyn?

[buctootim]

They were the Canaanite’s

 

https://www.academia.edu/28849418/Canaanite_Child_Sacrifice_Abortion_and_the_Bible

 

Proves my point. It was the Old Testament which says that about them in order to justify the genocide. But then the Bible is the good book whereas the Quran is just filth.

Edited 9 February, 2020 by buctootim

[sadoldgit]

Which is what it all comes down to. We have never been and never will be a peaceful species that can cohabit without doing dreadful things to each other, no matter what label is put on a particular tribe. The only upside is that we are constantly trying to find ways to finish ourselves off before the sun burns itself out and will probably succeed. Happy days.

[hypochondriac]

Which is what it all comes down to. We have never been and never will be a peaceful species that can cohabit without doing dreadful things to each other, no matter what label is put on a particular tribe. The only upside is that we are constantly trying to find ways to finish ourselves off before the sun burns itself out and will probably succeed. Happy days.

Yeah. Far easier to deal in broad sweeping generalisations about human nature than have to look into specifics or uncomfortable reasons.

[Weston Super Saint]

What about this one Soggy, has he made his parents proud???

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51431690

[sadoldgit]

What about this one Soggy, has he made his parents proud???

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51431690

 

What on Earth are you prattling on about? Are you a parent? Don’t all parents want to be proud of their children and how does that work for them if their children end up maiming and killing people? Perhaps there are some that think “that’s my boy” if their child beheads someone, but I am guessing that parents living in mixed racial UK would have a problem with that. I know you Daily Mail readers might be hard of thinking, but try to put yourself into someone else’s shoes for a change.

[sadoldgit]

Yeah. Far easier to deal in broad sweeping generalisations about human nature than have to look into specifics or uncomfortable reasons.

 

Which means what exactly? That mankind has always been an inherently species but those nasty Muslims came along and changed all that. You seem to be the one ignoring the specific’s, like how the West’s intervention in Middle Eastern affairs has had a knock on effect on our streets.

[hypochondriac]

Which means what exactly? That mankind has always been an inherently species but those nasty Muslims came along and changed all that. You seem to be the one ignoring the specific’s, like how the West’s intervention in Middle Eastern affairs has had a knock on effect on our streets.

What it means is there are specific issues caused by fundamentalist Islam. It's not simply the evils of human nature. 84% of rape gangs cases in the UK are perpetrated by a demographic that makes up 2% of the total UK population. This is wildly disproportionate on an unprecedented scale. Testimony from the rape victims show that the rapists frequently quoted qaranic verse as justification for their evil and others in the community were aware of what was happening but did not act because these girls were viewed as lesser humans (and again qaranic verses were used for this explanation.) Similarly, we have seen a large number of Islamic terror attacks in recent years causing death and fear and again, islamists have pointed to qaranic verses which are explicit in their calls for violence.

 

There are undoubtedly other terrorist attacks and paedophilia which is unrelated to fundamentalist religion but taken together there is undeniably a problem here and to turn a blind eye, to resolutely refuse to see it as a very specific cultural problem that involves the Islamic religion or to talk in general terms without addressing the specifics is essentially the attitude which has allowed these rape gangs to operate unchecked for decades. Your attitude is a big part of the problem.

[shurlock]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/08/care-home-victims-wait-for-justice-decades-on-institutional-child-abuse

 

Those musos sure do get around.

[benjii]

I agree with Hypo. We need better representation for whites in rape gangs. Every time I see a rape gang going round - pretty often these days, I can tell you - I think about this.

[hypochondriac]

I agree with Hypo. We need better representation for whites in rape gangs. Every time I see a rape gang going round - pretty often these days, I can tell you - I think about this.

It's not such a laugh for the women subjected to it.

[whelk]

You could imagine likes of SOG being a social worker when being informed by a vulnerable 15 yo girl in care giving her a lecture about not picking on Muslims rather than going after them.

[hypochondriac]

You could imagine likes of SOG being a social worker when being informed by a vulnerable 15 yo girl in care giving her a lecture about not picking on Muslims rather than going after them.

The thing is that's literally what happened. The wilful blindness to the issue has meant that people with the same mindset as soggy are responsible for widespread sexual abuse and rape of young uk girls.

[Jonnyboy]

You could imagine likes of SOG being a social worker when being informed by a vulnerable 15 yo girl in care giving her a lecture about not picking on Muslims rather than going after them.

 

You could imagine the likes of Hypo turning a blind eye to rumours of crimes by Savile and Catholic rape priests as they aren't Muslim and probably victims of feminist propaganda.

[hypochondriac]

You could imagine the likes of Hypo turning a blind eye to rumours of crimes by Savile and Catholic rape priests as they aren't Muslim and probably victims of feminist propaganda.

That would be true apart from the fact that I've never shown any examples of turning a blind eye to child abuse whereas soggy will not discuss Islamic Pakistani rape gangs or Islamic terrorism and the religious component to it without blaming the west in some way. For some reason the likes of you are literally incapable of discussing this specific issue without turning to whatabouttery. Edited 9 February, 2020 by hypochondriac

[Master Bates]

All rape is F00cking c***ish

[Jonnyboy]

That would be true apart from the fact that I've never shown any examples of turning a blind eye to child abuse whereas soggy will not discuss Islamic Pakistani rape gangs or Islamic terrorism and the religious component to it without blaming the west in some way. For some reason the likes of you are literally incapable of discussing this specific issue without turning to whatabouttery.

 

It's the same old thing though isn't it. EDL types get up in arms about crimes committed by brown people

Their racism takes top priority over their sexism and homophobia. If the country had zero Muslims in it, some other minority group would become the target of their prejudice and be blamed for all their perceived ills in the country.

[shurlock]

All rape is F00cking c***ish

 

Exactly

[hypochondriac]

Exactly

And no one said otherwise but to pretend there isn't a specific problem within a subset of Islam that means Pakistani men are massively disproportionately represented in grooming gangs statistics is just weird. What possible reason would people have to try to cover this fact up? Look at the damage the denial has done. Thousands of girls raped and people would rather turn a blind eye lest they be accused of racism.

[hypochondriac]

It's the same old thing though isn't it. EDL types get up in arms about crimes committed by brown people

Their racism takes top priority over their sexism and homophobia. If the country had zero Muslims in it, some other minority group would become the target of their prejudice and be blamed for all their perceived ills in the country.

 

Utter nonsense. If white British Christian gangs were hugely disproportionately represented raping poor Japanese women in Japan and using religious passages to justify it then the exact same thing would apply. I'd much rather that these inconvenient facts weren't true because then it wouldn't be happening but the fact that those predominantly in the left are simply unable to face the reality of the situation is shameful and its why these gangs continue to get away with it. The likes of Sarah champion were even made to resign for daring to discuss it.

Edited 9 February, 2020 by hypochondriac

[whelk]

Exactly

 

Is anyone saying anything different? Not exactly a controversial statement

[Raging Bull]

Is it these leftie tarts that are “woke”?