sadoldgit Posted 3 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2020 How do you think his parents felt in 2018 when he called on others to murder a pro gay rights speaker, would they have been proud of their son? What about the whatsapp group he was using to expose young members of his family to terrorism - another happy day in the life of his parents? What about his claim that Yazidi women were slaves the Koran made it possible to rape them - remind me, are you strong advocate of raping women? Still, his parents must have been over the moon that he shared those thoughts with another family member! What about the acid attacks he said he wanted to carry out in the name of Islamic state that he sent to his girlfriend - parents must have been on cloud 9 at that one! Still, not like the signs were there for his parents to do something about if they wanted to, eh? How do you know what happened I’m that family? Did you share a house with them? How would you feel if a child of yours ended up like this? Are you saying it was their fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2020 Any children of mine won't be joining an Islamic death cult on my watch. Listen to yourself. What do you know of that family other than they are Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2020 They will still probably be devastated though. How would you feel if that was your son? They will have to live with the shame. The only upside is that he didn’t manage to kill anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 February, 2020 Share Posted 3 February, 2020 How do you know what happened I’m that family? Did you share a house with them? How would you feel if a child of yours ended up like this? Are you saying it was their fault? There is a responsibility to bring your kids up s9 they know right from wrong. You absolving them without knowing anything about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2020 There is a responsibility to bring your kids up s9 they know right from wrong. You absolving them without knowing anything about them? So that is worse than condemning them without knowing anything about them. Our prisons are full of murders, rapists, theives. Should we bang up their parents too for letting their children get that way? If his family have connections to ISIS or encouraged him anyway I am sure that will be dealt with. So far that doesn’t seem to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 February, 2020 Share Posted 3 February, 2020 Personally I think it’s wrong for any parent to impose any religious belief on their children. Extreme or otherwise. Sadly that’s not going to change any time soon and we will continue to live with this sort of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 February, 2020 Share Posted 3 February, 2020 What about Yaxley-Lennons parents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 So that is worse than condemning them without knowing anything about them. Our prisons are full of murders, rapists, theives. Should we bang up their parents too for letting their children get that way? If his family have connections to ISIS or encouraged him anyway I am sure that will be dealt with. So far that doesn’t seem to be the case. Might be a slight deterrent to these fckers if they thought their parents would be punished for their actions. I don’t know in this case but the Manchester bomber’s family had ties to extremism and hating the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 What about Yaxley-Lennons parents? Ever the erudite contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Personally I think it’s wrong for any parent to impose any religious belief on their children. Extreme or otherwise. Sadly that’s not going to change any time soon and we will continue to live with this sort of nonsense. Not going to change because of course parents teach their kids their beliefs. That is parenting. More worrying is any edict of freedom of expression that everyone seems to want to impose. Don’t get me started on the BAFTA lot banging on a bout diversity from their posh privileged positions. Tenuous link I admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 (edited) Listen to yourself. What do you know of that family other than they are Muslims?I know their child is an Islamic extremist IS follower and a terrorist. I know he displayed worrying signs to his family potentially for years and there's no sign that he was reported or stopped from from doing it. Being Muslim is largely irrelevant save for the fact that their mad religion means its easier to find like minded people within it who hate the west and have sympathy towards extremists. Edited 4 February, 2020 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 How would you feel if that was your son? They will have to live with the shame. The only upside is that he didn’t manage to kill anyone.How do you know they feel shame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2020 How do you know they feel shame? Are you saying that Muslims mothers don’t feel the loss of there sons the same way any other mother would? According to the reports she was “devastated.” You sound more like Batman everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2020 I know their child is an Islamic extremist IS follower and a terrorist. I know he displayed worrying signs to his family potentially for years and there's no sign that he was reported or stopped from from doing it. Being Muslim is largely irrelevant save for the fact that their mad religion means its easier to find like minded people within it who hate the west and have sympathy towards extremists. How do you know this? Because you read it in the papers? Makes you an expert on their family situation. When you say he wasn’t stopped from doing it, don’t you think that being arrested for terrorist activities stopped him from doing it? Do you know what part his parents/family played in the arrest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Are you saying that Muslims mothers don’t feel the loss of there sons the same way any other mother would? According to the reports she was “devastated.” You sound more like Batman everyday.In what world is feeling the loss of a child the same as feeling shame? You have no idea what this family is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 4 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isn’t going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesn’t involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things don’t happen in a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isn’t going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesn’t involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things don’t happen in a vacuum.Yep we need to keep them locked up for longer whilst working to stop their brainwashing. Part of that involves cracking down on extremist propaganda eminating from mosques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Part of that involves cracking down on extremist propaganda eminating from mosques. The Qur'an says kill the non believers The Bible instructs genocides It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The Qur'an says kill the non believers The Bible instructs genocides It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatredWhen you can draw direct links between church leaders and violent Christian extremists in the UK then I'll call for similar levels of surveillance on churches. I don't think we should be censoring any texts that's the wrong way to go but we definitely need to scrutinise some high profile mosques to a greater degree than we currently do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 It doesn't help that we continue to buy oil from Saudi Arabia enabling them to finance the spread of their wahhabi doctrine, and it doesn't help further that we want to sell arms to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 These attacks will never stop because of this, sadly. “The apocalyptic catch? The Mahdi is expected to appear when the world is wracked by utter chaos and war” https://www.learnreligions.com/who-is-the-12th-imam-3555177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The Qur'an says kill the non believers The Bible instructs genocides It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred Exactly this. The culture and education level are far more important in determining mindset and tolerance. My girlfriend is third generation UK born Pakistani Christian. Her view of the world is the same as any liberal but what she tells me about Pakistani born grandmothers attitude would curl your teeth. Same for my work colleague who has an Iraqi Christian born mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 When you can draw direct links between church leaders and violent Christian extremists in the UK then I'll call for similar levels of surveillance on churches. I don't think we should be censoring any texts that's the wrong way to go but we definitely need to scrutinise some high profile mosques to a greater degree than we currently do. It remains a book that condones genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia and many others. If someone were to write a new book that condones all of them it would breach UK law, but as it is in the Bible it is allowed to be printed. Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 It remains a book that condones genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia and many others. If someone were to write a new book that condones all of them it would breach UK law, but as it is in the Bible it is allowed to be printed. Double standards. How did I know if you were on this thread you’d be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent. Do you get worked up about Father Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The Qur'an says kill the non believers The Bible instructs genocides It is 'moderate' Christians and Muslims who are cheery picking and choosing not to follow the instructions of their God They should both be banned from publication for inciting hatred Koran says suicide is not on either. You show yourself every time to be no theologian. Peddling your simpleton views should be cause for embarrassment not something to trumpet as someone who has greater understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Rehabilitation needs to be improved right across the board for offenders of all types who will be released at some point. There is hardly any serious effort or funding being put into this at the moment, and it is very clear that we have no workable plan for tackling those who have been radicalised. The sooner our government ministers stop spouting that we are the best in the world at everything, the better. Let's listen for a change, in this case, to those countries who have had more success in these areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Koran says suicide is not on either. You show yourself every time to be no theologian. Peddling your simpleton views should be cause for embarrassment not something to trumpet as someone who has greater understanding. Your post is not a rebuttal to anything I said! I made no mention of suicide, so how is that relevant? What about my post is false? Are you denying the Bible concondones genocide, slavery, sexism & homophobia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 Koran says suicide is not on either. This gives martyrdom justification as they are supposed to be living in paradise and not dead... Verse 154 of al-Baqara reads: And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The most dangerous phrase in history; "God wills it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 This gives martyrdom justification as they are supposed to be living in paradise and not dead... Verse 154 of al-Baqara reads: And say not of those who are killed in the Way of Allah, “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not. Watch out sound like you might be ripe for radicalisation. Protesteth too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 The bottom line is, no matter what you think of Muslims or foreigners, we all have to share the planet and find a way of living together. This constant round of blood letting on the streets is not going to end until we take some responsibility too. Just saying it is a Muslim problem and they need to sort it out isn’t going to work. We have a new PM who says he is going to energise Britain. Perhaps he can start by finding a way of engaging with radical elements who want to kill us that doesn’t involve just shooting them dead or locking them up. The current plan is to lock them up for longer. All that does is delay the inevitable. Perhaps the government needs to do more in understanding why this is happening on our streets and what they can do to prevent it in the first place. Things don’t happen in a vacuum. And the answer is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 How did I know if you were on this thread you’d be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent. Do you get worked up about Father Christmas?Obsessions, repetitive behaviour and routines can be a source of enjoyment for autistic people and a way of coping with everyday life. But they may also limit people's involvement in other activities and cause distress or anxiety. Find out what you can do to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 February, 2020 Share Posted 4 February, 2020 How did I know if you were on this thread you’d be evangelising about your atheism. Serious issues to be so fervent. Obsessions, repetitive behaviour and routines can be a source of enjoyment for autistic people and a way of coping with everyday life. But they may also limit people's involvement in other activities and cause distress or anxiety. Find out what you can do to help. Evangelism is something only Christians can do. By definition it is solely a Christian thing. In any case, I did not mention Atheism, my posts are on topic concerning religious terrorism and their holy books. Do you get worked up about Father Christmas? Belief in Father Christmas does generally not influence people's actions negatively to the point it harms other people. It does in the case of religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 February, 2020 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2020 And the answer is...... Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing.I'm sorry but that's just laughably simplistic. Now I see why you voted for Labour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing. Isn't 'Islam' the root cause for 'Islamic fuelled terrorism' or are there other 'root causes' that need dealing with? I get the stop dropping bombs bit, but would that stop the terrorism even if the UK stopped dropping them - aren't all 'Westerners' considered fair game by the terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 The warped idealogy of Islamic extremism cannot be reasoned with or pacified, short of destroying Israel and the whole world converting. On a historical basis its a tragedy that one of the great cultures in human history is tainted with such pointless barbarism. It's a battle that cannot be won completely, as far as this country is concerned we are seen as a legimate enemy due to our support of the US and hence Israel, our involvement in the Gulf war, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Indoctrinated people are not rational, that goes for all religions. I'm comfortable for terrorists to be shot dead, those that escape their immediate journey to paradise should be given whole life jail terms, the risk of re-offending is clearly too high, and the "root causes" are complex and impossible to irradicate. We live in a genuine multi-cultural tolerant society, the fact that mosques haven't been attacked en-masse after every terrorist murder proves that, and generally we disdain the far right bigots as much as the religious nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 I'm sorry but that's just laughably simplistic. Now I see why you voted for Labour... gEt BrExIt DoNe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 Should we let this cnt out Jonny? Terror prisoner set for release had called for 'year of fear' http://news.sky.com/story/terror-prisoner-set-for-release-had-called-for-year-of-fear-11927196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 February, 2020 Share Posted 5 February, 2020 Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing. How? The root cause is a religion that has a Holy Book that instructs followers to kill non-believers. How do you go about dealing with that? The terrorists are following the Holy Book accurately, the 'moderates' are cherry picking and ignoring the abhorrent parts of the Holy book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 Deal with the root causes and perhaps stop dropping bombs in the Middle East? These attacks only started when we ramped up military intervention. Islam has been around for thousands of years, Islamic fuelled terrorism on our streets is a relatively recent thing. To be fair, the whole region has been unstable for thousands of years. Last century, there were nearly 100 conflicts between 1900-2000, many of them not involving the west. The bible draws reference to many a conflict and the Quran was compiled in the midst of war and conflict. So let's not pretend that all the regions ills are down to the wicked west. At the end of the day, even the Romans struggled to keep a lid on things in the region of peace LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 English education league table topped by all-girls Muslim faith school Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-48d2-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-48d2-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 Being top of the table doesn't mean those things aren't happening. The religious element of a Islamic faith school still has women below men if it is following the scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 What about this guy Soggy, another shining light of the Muslim community who is innocent of all charges - like he claims to be - and someone who's mother should be proud of him? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-51400736 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 Can't all be preaching hate and subjugating women https://www.ft.com/content/690bc7d0-48d2-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 Without paying to read that article, the headline doesn’t surprise me. The Muslim women I went to school with were generally very academic and one particular individual was top of the class in pretty much everything. Then in our final year of sixth form she went for some work experience/placement scheme and didn’t get it. Basically she had no hobbies and interests aside from going home and studying every day and after 5 minutes of the interview had run out of things to talk about. No idea if that’s a general trend but I’d be interested to see how their sports, art, drama, D of E etc. Compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 What about this guy Soggy, another shining light of the Muslim community who is innocent of all charges - like he claims to be - and someone who's mother should be proud of him? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-51400736Nah its the west's fault for bombing things. Nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 To be fair, the whole region has been unstable for thousands of years. Last century, there were nearly 100 conflicts between 1900-2000, many of them not involving the west. The bible draws reference to many a conflict and the Quran was compiled in the midst of war and conflict. So let's not pretend that all the regions ills are down to the wicked west. At the end of the day, even the Romans struggled to keep a lid on things in the region of peace LOL All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions. There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions. There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic. What about Germany, France, Morocco, Egypt, Mali, Indonesia, Australia, Iraq, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nigeria and Burkina Faso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 All true but peace in the Middle East is not the issue here, it how we make ourselves less of a target for sick Islamic nut-jobs over here. Our involvement in wars over there and alignment to the US and Israel has to be a factor. ISIS use images of innocent victims of western air strikes as propaganda and they are a powerful tool which these sickos probably see as some sort of justification for their depraved actions. There is obviously way more to it than just revenge for our foreign policy but to say it makes no difference defies logic. its weird how a 20 year old brit gets so worked up and kills random people (and himself) because of historical wars in a foreign land... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 February, 2020 Share Posted 6 February, 2020 its weird how a 20 year old brit gets so worked up and kills random people (and himself) because of historical wars in a foreign land... After nearly decapitating Mr Rigby, Adebolajo told witnesses to call the police and said that the killing was because "Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers. And this British soldier is one. It is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. "Through many passages in the Koran we must fight them as they fight us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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