Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[Lord Duckhunter]

WTF . BBC talking to Londoners and some Muslim bird is saying Muslims need to integrate more. All perfectly reasonable, but she's got a full burka on. Maybe it's just me, but ffs how's she going to integrate with that on?

 

 

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[Badger]

WTF . BBC talking to Londoners and some Muslim bird is saying Muslims need to integrate more. All perfectly reasonable, but she's got a full burka on. Maybe it's just me, but ffs how's she going to integrate with that on?

 

 

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Saw that and thought the same.

 

"Integrate" means on their terms, and we fully accept their customs, and no doubt in time their right to live by sharia law.

[Jonnyboy]

Socialist fighters, fighting for socialism, want us to vote for a socialist...

 

In other news, it has been found that bears like to take a dump in the woods.

 

Helping protect your freedom and pampered lifestyle while you fart about in you dressing gown moaning about lefties.

[Johnny Bognor]

Helping protect your freedom and pampered lifestyle while you fart about in you dressing gown moaning about lefties.

Yeah the tens of thousands of pounds i pay in tax (hundreds if you include my business) doesnt go towards the armed forces, security services and police to keep me safe ... or you for that matter. Ungrateful little s h i t

[sadoldgit]

WTF . BBC talking to Londoners and some Muslim bird is saying Muslims need to integrate more. All perfectly reasonable, but she's got a full burka on. Maybe it's just me, but ffs how's she going to integrate with that on?

 

"Some Muslim bird?" Sounds like you have yet to integrate from the 70s. If wearing the same clothes is what integration is all about, you must have been froathing at the mouth when Punk came along Duckie!

[shirleysfc]

WTF . BBC talking to Londoners and some Muslim bird is saying Muslims need to integrate more. All perfectly reasonable, but she's got a full burka on. Maybe it's just me, but ffs how's she going to integrate with that on?

 

 

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I've always assumed integration is about actions and communication rather than clothing. Are you offended by turbans too?

[sadoldgit]

Corbyn and Sadoldgit's message to terrorists; "Kill and butcher enough of our innocent kids, civilians, policeman and we'll change our foreign policy to whatever you want".

 

How unlike you to twist something to suit your own hate filled agenda. And for you and your Islamophobic/xenophobic buddies who keep saying that Muslims aren't doing enough to condemn the atrocities, this letter has just been published from from Harun Khan, Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain..

 

"I am appalled and angered by the terrorist attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market in my home city. These acts of violence were truly shocking and I condemn them in the strongest terms.

Muslims everywhere are outraged and disgusted at these cowards who once again have destroyed the lives of our fellow Britons. That this should happen in the month of Ramadan, when may Muslims were praying and fasting only goes to show that these people respect neither life nor faith.

My prayers are with the victims and all those affected. I commend the work of our emergency services working hard to keep us safe and cope with the ensuing carnage. As ever we urge everyone to assist the authorities so that these criminals can be apprehended and brought to justice."

 

Clear enough for you Sour Mash, Batman and Hypochondriac?

[aintforever]

I've always assumed integration is about actions and communication rather than clothing. Are you offended by turbans too?

 

I don't think clothing is the problem, it's hiding your face that expect people have a problem with.

 

Terrorists, ninjas, bank robbers, Darth Vader - they all hide their face for a reason.

[Sour Mash]

How unlike you to twist something to suit your own hate filled agenda. And for you and your Islamophobic/xenophobic buddies who keep saying that Muslims aren't doing enough to condemn the atrocities, this letter has just been published from from Harun Khan, Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain..

 

"I am appalled and angered by the terrorist attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market in my home city. These acts of violence were truly shocking and I condemn them in the strongest terms.

Muslims everywhere are outraged and disgusted at these cowards who once again have destroyed the lives of our fellow Britons. That this should happen in the month of Ramadan, when may Muslims were praying and fasting only goes to show that these people respect neither life nor faith.

My prayers are with the victims and all those affected. I commend the work of our emergency services working hard to keep us safe and cope with the ensuing carnage. As ever we urge everyone to assist the authorities so that these criminals can be apprehended and brought to justice."

 

Clear enough for you Sour Mash, Batman and Hypochondriac?

I'm not wrong though am I.

[Sour Mash]

I've always assumed integration is about actions and communication rather than clothing. Are you offended by turbans too?

Someone wearing a burka is clearly not integrated. Why bother to pretend otherwise?

[Window Cleaner]

I don't think clothing is the problem, it's hiding your face that expect people have a problem with.

 

Terrorists, ninjas, bank robbers, Darth Vader - they all hide their face for a reason.

 

Well in the case of Darth Vader it's comprehensible, he only has (had) half a head really.

[buctootim]

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[sadoldgit]

I'm not wrong though am I.

 

Yes you are. And what difference does it matter what type of clothes you wear? Unless of cause you are looking for yet another reason to slag off a faith that you hate.

[Sour Mash]

Yes you are. And what difference does it matter what type of clothes you wear? Unless of cause you are looking for yet another reason to slag off a faith that you hate.

How am I wrong?

 

You think someone wearing a burka is fully integrated into British society?

[moonraker]

Someone wearing a burka is clearly not integrated. Why bother to pretend otherwise?

 

The proposal to Ban the Burka does pose something of a dilemma. Banning clothing that is so obviously alien in our eyes seems logical and desirable. Our society is one of openness and transparency, in human relationships that means being able to look others in the eye, to read their facial expressions and indeed recognise them, the Burka prevents all of these things. Additionally the Burka immediately identifies its wearer as an adherent of Islam, in itself not a issue except that in these sad times when the Islamic faith is being hi-jacked by evil criminal forces law abiding peaceful Muslims must take a stand. One easy very public way of doing this would be for the Muslim Leadership in the UK and indeed across Europe to impose the ban on the Burka, as an act of faith not an act of state law, it is after all not compulsory for Muslim women to wear it. it is a choice not an act of faith.

My problem is that for the state to ban the Burka sets a dangerous precedent. One of our core values is freedom of expression, this is often translated into how people dress and adorn themselves. I do not believe it is the duty of the state to set dress codes. It is the duty of the state to combat terrorism and other threats to our security and safety and reducing the numbers of our police and armed forces is inconsistent with this duty.

[OldNick]

How am I wrong?

 

You think someone wearing a burka is fully integrated into British society?

wearing full leather and a crash helmet while walking aound the street may be seen as intimidating to some, orthodox Jews are not integrating into society as well is you take that view. If they are trying to integrate it should be accepted with open arms, it doensnt matter to me that they are wearing a burka

[Sour Mash]

The proposal to Ban the Burka does pose something of a dilemma. Banning clothing that is so obviously alien in our eyes seems logical and desirable. Our society is one of openness and transparency, in human relationships that means being able to look others in the eye, to read their facial expressions and indeed recognise them, the Burka prevents all of these things. Additionally the Burka immediately identifies its wearer as an adherent of Islam, in itself not a issue except that in these sad times when the Islamic faith is being hi-jacked by evil criminal forces law abiding peaceful Muslims must take a stand. One easy very public way of doing this would be for the Muslim Leadership in the UK and indeed across Europe to impose the ban on the Burka, as an act of faith not an act of state law, it is after all not compulsory for Muslim women to wear it. it is a choice not an act of faith.

My problem is that for the state to ban the Burka sets a dangerous precedent. One of our core values is freedom of expression, this is often translated into how people dress and adorn themselves. I do not believe it is the duty of the state to set dress codes. It is the duty of the state to combat terrorism and other threats to our security and safety and reducing the numbers of our police and armed forces is inconsistent with this duty.

I haven't suggested banning it.

[badgerx16]

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[Sour Mash]

wearing full leather and a crash helmet while walking aound the street may be seen as intimidating to some, orthodox Jews are not integrating into society as well is you take that view. If they are trying to integrate it should be accepted with open arms, it doensnt matter to me that they are wearing a burka

I've been in pubs, offices, building sites, football grounds with people wearing a turban. Never seen a burka in any of those, neither have you.

[OldNick]

I've been in pubs, offices, building sites, football grounds with people wearing a turban. Never seen a burka in any of those, neither have you.

yeah i saw a someone in a burka in the pub last night necking pint after pint of lager following it up with shots, she then went and helped put up the scaffolding before changing into a replica shirt and wandered down to St Marys

[shurlock]

I've been in pubs, offices, building sites, football grounds with people wearing a turban. Never seen a burka in any of those, neither have you.

 

Maybe you hang around with a lot of men.

[Sour Mash]

Maybe you hang around with a lot of men.

Got real life pals, pal.

[moonraker]

I haven't suggested banning it.

 

Apologies you did not but have and my point was more about latching on to peoples colthing choice than the ban, what are your thoughts on the constant cuts to our police and armed forces in the face of the increasing terroist threats?

[OldNick]

Interesting that the UAE and Saudis have stopped flights to Qatar going over their airspace due to them not happy with the ties to aiding terrorists.

How will this affect the WC??

[Sour Mash]

Apologies you did not but have and my point was more about latching on to peoples colthing choice than the ban, what are your thoughts on the constant cuts to our police and armed forces in the face of the increasing terroist threats?

But have what?

 

Re. cuts to police and forces, depends which sections and areas they apply to, generally I wouldn't be a fan and certainly not anything directly related to terrorism. What are your thoughts?

[OldNick]

Apologies you did not but have and my point was more about latching on to peoples colthing choice than the ban, what are your thoughts on the constant cuts to our police and armed forces in the face of the increasing terroist threats?

we have to be careful here, there are cuts but doesnt mean that they have been made at the terrorist part. A lot will be the clerical part

[Ohio Saint]

Maybe that Muslim "bird" should have toned it down a little for idiots and just hinted that it might be a good idea to at least start talking to each other in a civilised manner, despite our obvious differences.......it seems that every side has their precious snowflakes.

[shurlock]

we have to be careful here, there are cuts but doesnt mean that they have been made at the terrorist part. A lot will be the clerical part

 

Is 'clerical' a dim euphemism for waste and inefficiency?

 

Leaving aside the complexity and interdependence of different policing activities, there has been a 20% decline in the number of specialist armed officers since 2010. In response to attacks abroad, Cameron did commit £140m just before his resignation to reversing this fall and recruting more firearms officers by 2021; but the trend to date has been clear.

Edited 5 June, 2017 by shurlock

[whelk]

Has Trump gut dementia? Losing the plot with his tweets

[benjii]

Someone get him a covfefe.

[Batman]

if only Jezza was not surrounded by utterly unelectable tools..I think I could have been swayed.

[shurlock]

Has Trump gut dementia? Losing the plot with his tweets

 

The same person who challenged Sadiq Khan to an IQ test.

[benjii]

What an utter **** though (Trump).

 

Quote something out of context then when pulled up on it, claim that somehow the first speaker travelled back in time with the assistance of the media to redeliver the speech with added context.

 

And this is all aimed at the mayor of the capital of one of your biggest allies.

 

It's ****ing pathetic. It's like some of the dimmer posters on here.

[Window Cleaner]

Has Trump gut dementia? Losing the plot with his tweets

 

I think he just hates muslims to a degree where judgement doesn't even figure in the top 5 of his priorities.

Probably be his downfall.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I don't want a burka ban, but I did find it rather strange that this bird was banging on about integrating with one on.

 

If my Mrs was on middle eastern tv in a thong & wonder bra only , stating Brits need to integrate when travelling to Muslim countries, you lefties would think it out of order.

 

 

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[hutch]

What would we think if Lady DH was on British TV in a thong and wonderbra?

[Johnny Bognor]

Is 'clerical' a dim euphemism for waste and inefficiency?

 

Leaving aside the complexity and interdependence of different policing activities, there has been a 20% decline in the number of specialist armed officers since 2010. In response to attacks abroad, Cameron did commit £140m just before his resignation to reversing this fall and recruting more firearms officers by 2021; but the trend to date has been clear.

 

Its not just about numbers of armed officers.

 

But according to full fact it looks more like 700 down on the 7000 in 2010. With those currently in training it will be back to 7000 fairly soon.

 

But aside from numbers, they are better equiped and trained now.

 

The rules have changed too. They used to locate and confine with a view to negotiating. Now they go straight in for the kill. It takes more officers to contain.

 

So although numbers are down, but are soon to be restored, the current capability is much more effective than in 2010...

 

But i guess you already knew that ?

 

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[whelk]

Its not just about numbers of armed officers.

 

But according to full fact it looks more like 700 down on the 7000 in 2010. With those currently in training it will be back to 7000 fairly soon.

 

But aside from numbers, they are better equiped and trained now.

 

The rules have changed too. They used to locate and confine with a view to negotiating. Now they go straight in for the kill. It takes more officers to contain.

 

So although numbers are down, but are soon to be restored, the current capability is much more effective than in 2010...

 

But i guess you already knew that [emoji6]

 

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Bless

[Johnny Bognor]

Bless

 

So what bits do you disagree with??

 

Happy to debate any of the points made??

[badgerx16]

What would we think if Lady DH was on British TV in a thong and wonderbra?

 

Would that be on those late night subscription only channels ?

[buctootim]

I don't want a burka ban

 

I do. Everybody should have their face visable in public places

[aintforever]

Its not just about numbers of armed officers.

 

But according to full fact it looks more like 700 down on the 7000 in 2010. With those currently in training it will be back to 7000 fairly soon.

 

But aside from numbers, they are better equiped and trained now.

 

The rules have changed too. They used to locate and confine with a view to negotiating. Now they go straight in for the kill. It takes more officers to contain.

 

So although numbers are down, but are soon to be restored, the current capability is much more effective than in 2010...

 

But i guess you already knew that ��

 

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Surely with an ever increasing threat, and massive immigration the numbers should be increasing as well as being made more effective?

[whelk]

So what bits do you disagree with??

 

Happy to debate any of the points made??

 

Terrific spin. Try Jim Gamble's version or speak to others in the police force. Sure you will dismiss as having an agenda in your desperate defence of May who of course only reduced back office waste and non jobs.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-police-cuts-slammed-by-jim-gamble-former-northern-ireland-counter-terror-chief_uk_5934603ee4b02478cb9cb0dd

[Johnny Bognor]

Terrific spin. Try Jim Gamble's version or speak to others in the police force. Sure you will dismiss as having an agenda in your desperate defence of May who of course only reduced back office waste and non jobs.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-police-cuts-slammed-by-jim-gamble-former-northern-ireland-counter-terror-chief_uk_5934603ee4b02478cb9cb0dd

Unlike the politically biased, i was referencing full facts....

 

https://fullfact.org/crime/have-armed-police-numbers-been-cut/

 

The NPCC’s lead for Armed Policing, Deputy Chief Constable Simon Chesterman, says that firearms officers are now better trained than they used to be:

 

“We now have the capability to deliver much more … we also have plans in place to mobilise the non-Home Office forces to give support to a major incident and – if needed – the military.

 

“We have the ability to move much quicker to resolve situations. Previously the approach was to locate, contain and neutralise. Now it is to locate and confront. Our tactics are more aggressive.”

 

The Home Office also cautions the numbers of firearms officers aren’t an exact measure of the police’s capacity to deal with incidents:

 

“Changes in numbers of authorised firearms officers may reflect the fact that forces in England and Wales have moved to more collaborative arrangements with authorised firearms officers working regionally rather than in individual forces.”

 

There are separate figures for officers who work in counter-terrorism generally

 

There are lots of different counter-terrorism units working in police forces across the country, as well as national counter-terrorism bodies like the National Counter Terrorism Security Office.

 

In March 2016 there were 3,888 counter-terrorism/Special Branch officers working in police forces across England and Wales. A year previously it was 3,733 officers. Again, these are full-time equivalent figures.

 

There’s been a change in how police functions are described from 2015 onwards so we can’t easily compare the number of counter-terrorism officers from before that time. The old style categories didn’t pick out the number of counter-terrorism officers specifically.

[aintforever]

Unlike the politically biased, i was referencing full facts....

 

https://fullfact.org/crime/have-armed-police-numbers-been-cut/

 

The NPCC’s lead for Armed Policing, Deputy Chief Constable Simon Chesterman, says that firearms officers are now better trained than they used to be:

 

“We now have the capability to deliver much more … we also have plans in place to mobilise the non-Home Office forces to give support to a major incident and – if needed – the military.

 

“We have the ability to move much quicker to resolve situations. Previously the approach was to locate, contain and neutralise. Now it is to locate and confront. Our tactics are more aggressive.”

 

The Home Office also cautions the numbers of firearms officers aren’t an exact measure of the police’s capacity to deal with incidents:

 

“Changes in numbers of authorised firearms officers may reflect the fact that forces in England and Wales have moved to more collaborative arrangements with authorised firearms officers working regionally rather than in individual forces.”

 

There are separate figures for officers who work in counter-terrorism generally

 

There are lots of different counter-terrorism units working in police forces across the country, as well as national counter-terrorism bodies like the National Counter Terrorism Security Office.

 

In March 2016 there were 3,888 counter-terrorism/Special Branch officers working in police forces across England and Wales. A year previously it was 3,733 officers. Again, these are full-time equivalent figures.

 

There’s been a change in how police functions are described from 2015 onwards so we can’t easily compare the number of counter-terrorism officers from before that time. The old style categories didn’t pick out the number of counter-terrorism officers specifically.

 

I'm sorry, but even though they have improved tactics and training they should still not cut numbers. In any occupation things improve, get more efficient over time.

 

The threat is growing, we have mass immigration and a growing population - numbers should be increasing even with the better training and tactics.

[shurlock]

I'm sorry, but even though they have improved tactics and training they should still not cut numbers. In any occupation things improve, get more efficient over time.

 

The threat is growing, we have mass immigration and a growing population - numbers should be increasing even with the better training and tactics.

 

Quite right. They're not mutually exclusive. If anything, the fact that they've become more efficient means that they guarantee a decent bang for the buck, should you want to invest more in them.

[Jonnyboy]

I don't think clothing is the problem, it's hiding your face that expect people have a problem with.

 

Terrorists, ninjas, bank robbers, Darth Vader - they all hide their face for a reason.

 

What about brides?

[Jonnyboy]

if only Jezza was not surrounded by utterly unelectable tools..I think I could have been swayed.

 

Oh please.

[benjii]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/muslim-leaders-refuse-to-say-funeral-prayers-for-london-bridge-attackers-a3557641.html

 

Fair play. Strong statement.

[whelk]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/muslim-leaders-refuse-to-say-funeral-prayers-for-london-bridge-attackers-a3557641.html

 

Fair play. Strong statement.

 

Although ridiculous this should be 'unprecedented' given the amount if atrocities carried out.