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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

A lot of it is being driven by gang recruitment of terrorists and assassins via social media https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombing-gang-violence-wiretap-children-teenagers/

Some of the cherished openness of their society will have to be compromised to deal with it https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/10/15/swedens-homicide-rate-linked-to-gang-warfare-is-one-of-the-highest-in-europe

Mind you, it makes a mockery of Zuckerberg and Musk’s claims that SM doesn’t need policing and cleaning up. Organised crime, Islamic extremism and White Far Right running riot on X, Facebook and especially Telegram.

 

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s a complete mystery 😂

I wonder why the Swedish Prime Minister is working with people in the below countries to fix fix the problem? 🤔

Prime Minister Kristersson said that Sweden is working with countries like Turkey, Iran, Iraq and the United Arab Emirates to get gang leaders based there extradited.

Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

I wonder why the Swedish Prime Minister is working with people in the below countries to fix fix the problem? 🤔

Prime Minister Kristersson said that Sweden is working with countries like Turkey, Iran, Iraq and the United Arab Emirates to get gang leaders based there extradited.

The fucking Turkish!

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egg

egg

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2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Heaven forbid that you make a prediction based on what the most likely motive is. 

The issue previously has been people making predictions before knowing the ethnicity of the perpetrator. Once known, reasonable assumptions can be made.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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26 minutes ago, egg said:

The issue previously has been people making predictions before knowing the ethnicity of the perpetrator. Once known, reasonable assumptions can be made.

In many cases, the actions of the perpetrator and how the offence is committed is as much a decent indicator of the motives as their nationality. 

You've previously stated that when the facts are known they can be discussed. So have you changed your stance on when a reasonable assumption can be made? 

You've also accused me of being too quick to blame Muslims. Is it now acceptable to state that this is more likely than not to have been a radical Islamist attack? 

egg

egg

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

In many cases, the actions of the perpetrator and how the offence is committed is as much a decent indicator of the motives as their nationality. 

You've previously stated that when the facts are known they can be discussed. So have you changed your stance on when a reasonable assumption can be made? 

You've also accused me of being too quick to blame Muslims. Is it now acceptable to state that this is more likely than not to have been a radical Islamist attack? 

The identity of the perpetrator is a fact. 

I'm not responding to the rest as I have no interest in a discussion with you. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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7 minutes ago, egg said:

The identity of the perpetrator is a fact. 

I'm not responding to the rest as I have no interest in a discussion with you. 

The method of killing is also a fact. 

Probably best not responding to me then about "what the issue was previously" when that wasn't what the issue was previously at all. Method of criminality can in some cases be as much of an indicator as nationality that's just a fact and you can't view an assumption drawn from one as reasonable yet see an assumption drawn from the other as bigoted. As usual you make little logical sense. 

 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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Has it actually been established that the motive of the attack was terrorism based on Islamic ideology (I don’t mean by the resident Islamophobes but by the German authorities)?

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Has it actually been established that the motive of the attack was terrorism based on Islamic ideology (I don’t mean by the resident Islamophobes but by the German authorities)?

"The Bavarian Central Office for Combating Extremism and Terrorism has taken over the investigation due to indications that the suspect has an “extremist background”."

whelk

whelk

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50 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

"The Bavarian Central Office for Combating Extremism and Terrorism has taken over the investigation due to indications that the suspect has an “extremist background”."

Pray for SOG

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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18 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

"The Bavarian Central Office for Combating Extremism and Terrorism has taken over the investigation due to indications that the suspect has an “extremist background”."

“Indications”. So not confirmed that it was a terrorist act yet. Doesn’t sound conclusive so far.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/munich-attack-car-suspect-farhad-noori-germany-news-today-b2698310.html

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10 minutes ago, whelk said:

Telling that he is such an apologist for his favourite religion

covering previous wrongs, i'm sure.

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east-stand-nic

east-stand-nic

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On 14/02/2025 at 20:40, sadoldgit said:

“Indications”. So not confirmed that it was a terrorist act yet. Doesn’t sound conclusive so far.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/munich-attack-car-suspect-farhad-noori-germany-news-today-b2698310.html

So once again you refuse to accept Muslims do any wrong. When it is found to be true, you will never come back and condemn it. You will simply do what you always do and use whataboutery to justify their awful vile actions.

whelk

whelk

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14yo boy killed in Austria and other random passers by stabbed by Syrian, Doesn’t make a major headline but motives unknown of course. No correlation can be deduced.

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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14 minutes ago, whelk said:

14yo boy killed in Austria and other random passers by stabbed by Syrian, Doesn’t make a major headline but motives unknown of course. No correlation can be deduced.

You need to wait.  Wait for the arrest, then the trial and then wait until the entire appeals process has run its course.  Only then can the full facts be known.

Please be patient and avoid stereotyping.

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badgerx16

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24 minutes ago, whelk said:

14yo boy killed in Austria and other random passers by stabbed by Syrian, Doesn’t make a major headline but motives unknown of course. No correlation can be deduced.

He was stopped from doing greater damage by another Syrian, a delivery driver, who rammed him with his van.

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whelk

whelk

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3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

He was stopped from doing greater damage by another Syrian, a delivery driver, who rammed him with his van.

Indeed and shouldn’t need saying that there are plenty of decent people. Islamic religion just has a high percentage of nihilistic nutters however much people want to give equivalence with other beliefs and causes.

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hypochondriac

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20 minutes ago, whelk said:

Indeed and shouldn’t need saying that there are plenty of decent people. Islamic religion just has a high percentage of nihilistic nutters however much people want to give equivalence with other beliefs and causes.

Precisely this. It's never ever been about all Muslims. I have Muslims in my family who are wonderful people. The problem is that the Islamic faith for whatever reason has a comparatively high number of nutters who follow it and it has some backwards views that some of its followers slavishly follow. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

The problem is that the Islamic faith for whatever reason has a comparatively high number of nutters who follow it and it has some backwards views that some of its followers slavishly follow. 

No shit Sherlock.

egg

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Precisely this. It's never ever been about all Muslims. I have Muslims in my family who are wonderful people. The problem is that the Islamic faith for whatever reason has a comparatively high number of nutters who follow it and it has some backwards views that some of its followers slavishly follow. 

To what extent are those acts of violence are borne of frustration and anger at the treatment of their people as against a pursuit of their take on their religion. I'd hazard a guess it's not all about the latter. 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 hours ago, egg said:

To what extent are those acts of violence are borne of frustration and anger at the treatment of their people as against a pursuit of their take on their religion. I'd hazard a guess it's not all about the latter. 

I'm sure it's not all about the latter but enough of it is that it's a problem. Even where it's the former, that could very well be misguided anger at innocent victims. 

I think of things like Charlie Hebdo, the Swedish bloke killed for burning a quaran recently, Salman Rushdie and I can't see how any of that can be attributed to frustration about the treatment of 'their people'. 

Nonetheless whatever the motive, the effect is the same. 

badgerx16

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6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm sure it's not all about the latter but enough of it is that it's a problem. Even where it's the former, that could very well be misguided anger at innocent victims. 

I think of things like Charlie Hebdo, the Swedish bloke killed for burning a quaran recently, Salman Rushdie and I can't see how any of that can be attributed to frustration about the treatment of 'their people'. 

Nonetheless whatever the motive, the effect is the same. 

Generally it is the nutters distorting and interpreting scripture for their own personal ends, managing to find malleable people to influence into doing something for some nebulous conceptual reward. You get 40 virgins in Paradise, I get to live out my power trip.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Generally it is the nutters distorting and interpreting scripture for their own personal ends, managing to find malleable people to influence into doing something for some nebulous conceptual reward. You get 40 virgins in Paradise, I get to live out my power trip.

Their argument would be why do you get to decide who the nutters are. Many of them are expert scholars and can justify their actions with reference to the text. It's a problem you don't get to the same extent in other world religions. Only Islam has this problem to this degree and that's before you discuss bigoted and backwards views towards for example gays or women's rights amongst a majority of even moderate followers. 

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badgerx16

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19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Their argument would be why do you get to decide who the nutters are. Many of them are expert scholars and can justify their actions with reference to the text. It's a problem you don't get to the same extent in other world religions. Only Islam has this problem to this degree and that's before you discuss bigoted and backwards views towards for example gays or women's rights amongst a majority of even moderate followers. 

Is that because there is no central 'Leader' guiding the faith, unlike the Pope or Archbishop of Canterbury ?

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Is that because there is no central 'Leader' guiding the faith, unlike the Pope or Archbishop of Canterbury ?

Well individual countries like Iran have religious leaders and that hasn't done much but disregarding that, loads of Christians aren't led by the Archbishop or the Pope and there are very few (maybe no) suicide bombers or people who think it's acceptable to kill others if you rip a page out of the Bible. There's a ton of violent passages in Islam and so unfortunately it doesn't take much of a leap to find justification for violent acts. Christianity has managed to modernise to a great extent but Islam doesn't really do that. 

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