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[whelk]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There isn't that many like this. That's one reason why this is so shocking. 

Do you think someone who abducts a child and rapes and kills them is less evil?

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you think someone who abducts a child and rapes and kills them is less evil?

I think you misunderstand me. Both are horribly evil but neither are common occurances thankfully. 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think you misunderstand me. Both are horribly evil but neither are common occurances thankfully. 

Yet, in a nation that has the death penalty, mass shootings at schools happen many times a year. Is calling for the death penalty in the UK a deterrant or retribution ?

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Yet, in a nation that has the death penalty, mass shootings at schools happen many times a year. Is calling for the death penalty in the UK a deterrant or retribution ?

I'm pretty sure there is something else that contributes to that. Besides, the purpose of killing this evil person isn't to deter others, it's so he's no longer a financial burden and so the families no longer have to live in a world where he exists. 

Edited Thursday at 19:30 by hypochondriac

[egg]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm pretty sure there is something else that contributes to that. Besides, the purpose of killing this evil person isn't to deter others, it's so he's no longer a financial burden and so the families no longer have to live in a world where he exists. 

There's no right or wrong answer on this, but none of us can say what's best for the families. They may prefer to know that he's suffering at the hands of his fellow inmates for the rest of his life. Impossible to know, and thank god we're not one of those parents. It's an utterly appalling case. 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

There's no right or wrong answer on this, but none of us can say what's best for the families. They may prefer to know that he's suffering at the hands of his fellow inmates for the rest of his life. Impossible to know, and thank god we're not one of those parents. It's an utterly appalling case. 

In that case I'd feel happier knowing he was no longer breathing. Plenty of people who are geberally anti death penalty are saying the same thing. 

[rallyboy]

Occasionally you hear a news report that some notorious childkiller or paedophile has died in prison after an attack and your first reaction is never mind.

He will definitely be one of those.

In fact, he's probably now top of that list.

[tdmickey3]

And extra punishment should be added to his sentence, he should be kicked in the bolloxs every 30 minutes every day and night

[SotonianWill]

10 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

And extra punishment should be added to his sentence, he should be kicked in the bolloxs every 30 minutes every day and night

He has none anyways for going after kids.

 

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm pretty sure there is something else that contributes to that. Besides, the purpose of killing this evil person isn't to deter others, it's so he's no longer a financial burden and so the families no longer have to live in a world where he exists. 

Brings up an old debate, but one which should be reconsidered. Anderson mentions it below, but of course the typical response: a cry and moan about debate. 

 

 

It would be a terrible time when, after being elected, an MPs voice will not be heard because their policy view doesn’t sit with someone’s narrow PC mind. 

[rallyboy]

Terminally thick and dishonest MP who changes parties more than he changes his saggy, yellowed Y-fronts, sees votes in posting pointless crap and goes for it.

With his beloved freedom of speech comes the chance to say that Anderson is a total cunt of the highest order, who surrounds himself by like-minded people.

 

[benjii]

If any of these MPs had run on a manifesto of bringing back the death penalty, then fair enough.

But they didn't and they are shameless cunts trying to appeal to enraged emotions for their own ends. Are their minds so small that they hadn't thought about this or that it was a worthy issue until now? Had it never crossed their minds that a really awful crime might be committed?

It's funny how the same sort of people that bang on about government interference and bureaucracy are usually the same people that want to hand the state the right to kill its own citizens as retribution. 

The death penalty has no obvious deterrent effect on these sorts of crimes and reinstating it would be a further step on the grim road we are already on: the road that makes Britain an international pariah and a mean and twisted country of failure and misrule.

Edited Friday at 04:58 by benjii

[AlexLaw76]

Ah, we all wish MPs only followed and / commented on issues stated in their manifesto.

that will be a great time to be around

[egg]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

In that case I'd feel happier knowing he was no longer breathing. Plenty of people who are geberally anti death penalty are saying the same thing. 

Everyone can have an opinion on this, and I think this is one of those issues where there isn't a right or wrong view. Personally I'd rather the guy has a horrendous life in prison for the rest of his days, but I have no issue with anyone wanting to see him strung up. 

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

Everyone can have an opinion on this, and I think this is one of those issues where there isn't a right or wrong view. Personally I'd rather the guy has a horrendous life in prison for the rest of his days, but I have no issue with anyone wanting to see him strung up. 

Isn't prison supposed to be about 'rehabilitation' rather than 'punishment'?

[egg]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't prison supposed to be about 'rehabilitation' rather than 'punishment'?

I'm not sure how you rehabilitate someone who'll never see the light of day again. 

[hypochondriac]

51 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't prison supposed to be about 'rehabilitation' rather than 'punishment'?

How do you see that working in this case? 

[Mixedkebab]

18 hours ago, Turkish said:

yep, hopefully he'll get carved up in prison a few times, get the sugar and boiling water treatment etc. The more painful the better

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if this happens but he will probably be isolated and protected to the hilt.

Plus prisons now contain a lot less old school groups who have the inclination to arrange this sort of thing.

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

How do you see that working in this case? 

It won't. That doesn't stop it from being the priority of the justice system though.

Whilst we would all like him to suffer at the hands of his fellow inmates, for that to happen we would need them to commit more crimes. Should we be condoning further crimes to satiate our own desires?

[egg]

18 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It won't. That doesn't stop it from being the priority of the justice system though.

Whilst we would all like him to suffer at the hands of his fellow inmates, for that to happen we would need them to commit more crimes. Should we be condoning further crimes to satiate our own desires?

It's the reality of prison life for people like him. 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

18 hours ago, whelk said:

I don’t think you need to rank them. So many vile pyschopaths and sickening crimes

Agreed, I was going by the extent of my shock and horror. There’s been some evil bastards around like Robert Black, Jebson and Ian Huntley but there was something so calculated and evil about this case. It emerged that he actually tried going back to his old school and doing similar but his dad stopped the taxi driver. 

[hypochondriac]

59 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It won't. That doesn't stop it from being the priority of the justice system though.

Whilst we would all like him to suffer at the hands of his fellow inmates, for that to happen we would need them to commit more crimes. Should we be condoning further crimes to satiate our own desires?

I agree and it is a priority. This is a fairly unique case though with a very specific type of offender. It's very much an exceptional circumstance and there is an argument that it should be treated as an exception.

There's also a difference between condoning something like prison justice and not being upset if it were to happen. I certainly wouldn't be unhappy if a fellow inmate did the world a favour. 

Edited Friday at 13:11 by hypochondriac

[rooney]

7 hours ago, egg said:

I'm not sure how you rehabilitate someone who'll never see the light of day again. 

And in the meantime the younger members on this site will all be contributing to the £40Kpa that it costs to keep this scum in there.

[badgerx16]

27 minutes ago, rooney said:

And in the meantime the younger members on this site will all be contributing to the £40Kpa that it costs to keep this scum in there.

As a tax payer I am very happy that I might be considered amongst the "younger members" despite being 3 months away from my 65th birthday. Also, in the last 44 years I have had to contribute to the upkeep of plenty of other "scum", including the Moors murderers, the Krays, Peter Sutcliffe, IRA bombers, Ian Huntley, etc, etc, etc.

Edited Friday at 16:41 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As a tax payer I am very happy that I might be considered amongst the "younger members" despite being 3 months away from my 65th birthday. Also, in the last 44 years I have had to contribute to the upkeep of plenty of other "scum", including the Moors murderers, the Krays, Peter Sutcliffe, IRA bombers, Ian Huntley, etc, etc, etc.

Not for 52 years you haven't. 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not for 52 years you haven't. 

So we now do cost benefit analysis ahead of sentencing ? At what value of x, where x=£40k multiplied by number of years in the sentence, do we set the limit, beyond which we cull the prisoner ?

Edited Friday at 17:06 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not for 52 years you haven't. 

To be fair, that's likely to be the case for everyone.  At least until they raise the pension age to 70....

[egg]

1 hour ago, rooney said:

And in the meantime the younger members on this site will all be contributing to the £40Kpa that it costs to keep this scum in there.

The cost of incarcerating people is not a good reason to kill them instead. 

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, rooney said:

And in the meantime the younger members on this site will all be contributing to the £40Kpa that it costs to keep this scum in there.

I have a feeling that he may not last until he is 70.
There will be plenty of people in prison who feel obliged to do him harm.
Alternatively he might think life is not worth living incarcerated in his cell for long periods and having to avoid contact with others.

[egg]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So we now do cost benefit analysis ahead of sentencing ? At what value of x, where x=£40k multiplied by number of years in the sentence, do we set the limit, beyond which we cull the prisoner ?

Quite. I can't quite imagine the judiciary sitting there, calculator in hand, making a live or die decision. 

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

The cost of incarcerating people is not a good reason to kill them instead. 

It's one reason among many. 

[benjii]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Quite. I can't quite imagine the judiciary sitting there, calculator in hand, making a live or die decision. 

Sorry mate, you're a quid too expensive. Death for you!

[rooney]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Quite. I can't quite imagine the judiciary sitting there, calculator in hand, making a live or die decision. 

They would not have to if the law  permitted it.

[egg]

47 minutes ago, rooney said:

They would not have to if the law  permitted it.

There would be some kind of test. It's academic anyway as fortunately we're more civilised than to reintroduce a death penalty. 

[Weston Super Saint]

Maybe we could finally send someone to Rwanda?

[benjii]

This thread is fascinating. Shows how ignorant / stupid a lot of the public is.

[whelk]

Surprised Amazon isn’t on the list 

[Gloucester Saint]

25 minutes ago, whelk said:

Surprised Amazon isn’t on the list 

I’m surprised that powers weren’t used to section him. Seen it done before for less.

[rooney]

14 hours ago, egg said:

There would be some kind of test. It's academic anyway as fortunately we're more civilised than to reintroduce a death penalty. 

It is very magnanimous of you to be happy that the inmate will never be short of food,heating, medical and dental facilities that so many law abiding citizens crave for in our country.

 

 

 

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, rooney said:

It is very magnanimous of you to be happy that the inmate will never be short of food,heating, medical and dental facilities that so many law abiding citizens crave for in our country.

 

 

 

This is an argument from you for a significant increase in social security and welfare spending, and an argument for a significant increase in the minimum wage and workplace rights, and an argument for a huge increase in NHS funding. And big changes to the tax model to facilitate this spending that law abiding citizens crave for in this country.

This is what you're saying, isn't it?

[rooney]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

This is an argument from you for a significant increase in social security and welfare spending, and an argument for a significant increase in the minimum wage and workplace rights, and an argument for a huge increase in NHS funding. And big changes to the tax model to facilitate this spending that law abiding citizens crave for in this country.

This is what you're saying, isn't it?

No

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I’m surprised that powers weren’t used to section him. Seen it done before for less.

What would be the justification? Even the trial said he's not mentally ill. 

[StDunko]

36 minutes ago, rooney said:

No

So you don't really give a fuck about those law abiding citizens then...

[CB Fry]

39 minutes ago, rooney said:

No

I know.

Shoot Rudakabana in head this morning and that helps get those law abiding citizens exactly how many medical appointments they crave?

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

What would be the justification? Even the trial said he's not mentally ill. 

He does seem bad rather than mad but if someone’s behaviour is so irrational and escalating deemed a serious risk to others then it can be a tool used. Sadly I have seen it happen.

[rooney]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I know.

Shoot Rudakabana in head this morning and that helps get those law abiding citizens exactly how many medical appointments they crave?

There is more than one way to skin a rabbit.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Rumours, he got the first of many beatings already. 

 

Southport child killer Axel Rudakubana has allegedly been ATTACKED & left unconscious by two brothers, “two lunatics” who were doing 35 years in prison for murder. 

According to this voice note prison guards let them in to his cell & they brutally attacked him:

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Rumours, he got the first of many beatings already. 

 

Southport child killer Axel Rudakubana has allegedly been ATTACKED & left unconscious by two brothers, “two lunatics” who were doing 35 years in prison for murder. 

According to this voice note prison guards let them in to his cell & they brutally attacked him:

I'm going to take that with a pinch of salt until confirmed but let's hope so.