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[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, aintforever said:

They said he was born in Wales which is just a fact.

Plenty of other stories of an angel faced choir boy. He wasn’t though was he. “The usual racist” were right he was a violent thug expelled from school and so dangerous social workers asked for police protection when speaking to him.

Edited Tuesday at 22:10 by Turkish

[Gloucester Saint]

23 minutes ago, whelk said:

Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting  in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out 

Yep, there’d been pockets of trouble in some of the East Midlands and northern towns where the hotels were for a couple of years at least.

Southport was the excuse, the reason people didn’t riot after London Bridge, 7/7 (I was on the north bound tube) was because the economy was doing better. The EDL were wrongly reported as being organisers because of some knuckle draggers chanting for Tommy Robinson but the very active and dangerous Patriotic Alternative were actually cited as being involved and certainly promoted it actively around the far right and white supremacist circuit.

The group cited by Michael Gove as a group of sharply increasing concern and extremist motivations https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-riots-patriotic-alternative-fundraiser-b2626667.html

Those rioting weren’t for the most part far right troublemakers? Give me a break  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13719905/Far-right-thugs-humbled-face-justice-Rioter-28-shakes-cries-court-admits-punching-black-man-protester-knocked-ground-police-shield-admits-spitting-officers-three-jailed-today-violent-demos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/world/europe/neo-nazi-uk-riots-elon-musk.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/09/riots-latest-news-protesters-stay-home/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots

Good brief article here stating the EDL disbanded and wrongly pinned on riots, but PA and other white extremist groups were very active, and why they should be tagged extremists not terrorists as it gives them oxygen they want https://icct.nl/publication/british-disorder-why-we-need-take-far-right-violence-more-seriously

Edited Tuesday at 22:20 by Gloucester Saint

[aintforever]

15 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

So why was he referred to Prevent three times? 

Because of his obsession with violence, the reason they didn’t do anything was because he wasn’t seen as an Islamic extremist.

From the BBC:

An initial review over the summer found Prevent failed to flag Rudakubana as a serious threat because he did not exhibit a commitment to a single radical ideology, Cooper told the Commons.

She said the three referrals took place after he expressed an interest in school shootings, the 2017 London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East.

"Too much weight was placed on the absence of ideology," Cooper said, in light of the fact Rudakubana was "obsessed with massacre or extreme violence".

Cooper said it was "unbearable to think that something more could and should have been done" to stop him, and that "action against him was much too weak".

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

They said he was born in Wales which is just a fact.

They released only one photo of him as a 12 year old and referred to him as a Welsh choir boy knowing full well what connotations of that would be. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting  in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out 

Yes it was a lot to do with that. Rotherham of course has had its own issues with Asian grooming gangs so it was always going to be a bit of a powder keg for this subject 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting  in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out 

It was mostly to do with foreigners coming here and doing stuff to English children-specifically girls. That's what caused everything to kick off as well as the nice weather of course. Wouldn't catch people out in January. 

[hypochondriac]

Possible motive was that he was a racist and hated white English people:

 

[hypochondriac]

I see that the government is now blaming Amazon and the knife for the Southport attack. Personally I think we should just ban taxis then he never woukd have been able to get to the little girl's dance class. 

[whelk]

State of the world

https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102

I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. 
For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side

 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

State of the world

https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102

I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. 
For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side

 

i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here.

Fuckers. Coming over here, sleeping in our prison beds.

[Gloucester Saint]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here.

Correct, nearly 12% according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population#:~:text=and Wales only-,Immigrants and foreign nationals,578 having no nationality recorded.

From 2022 but I doubt it has changed much, illiteracy and not having basic writing/reading/numeracy the biggy at 30% https://educationinspection.blog.gov.uk/2022/11/11/education-for-prisoners-with-learning-difficulties-and-or-disabilities/

Violent Schizophrenia is the variable that gets discussed often for the most high profile crimes if people aren’t managing their own medication and lose touch which those who were https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/throw-people-schizophrenia-prison/

Edited yesterday at 14:10 by Gloucester Saint

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Correct, nearly 12% according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population#:~:text=and Wales only-,Immigrants and foreign nationals,578 having no nationality recorded.

From 2022 but I doubt it has changed much, illiteracy and not having basic writing/reading/numeracy the biggy at 30% https://educationinspection.blog.gov.uk/2022/11/11/education-for-prisoners-with-learning-difficulties-and-or-disabilities/

Violent Schizophrenia is the variable that gets discussed often for the most high profile crimes if people aren’t managing their own medication and lose touch which those who were https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/throw-people-schizophrenia-prison/

can we put foreigners being overrepresented in prison down to racism?

[hypochondriac]

43 minutes ago, whelk said:

State of the world

https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102

I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. 
For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side

 

Stuff like this should be discussed more sensibly. It won't be of course but it should. 

[Gloucester Saint]

53 minutes ago, Turkish said:

can we put foreigners being overrepresented in prison down to racism?

Dunno, you’d have break down the offences. Objectively you could say language barriers might stop some people understanding they’ve committed an offence but you’ve got to do something fairly serious to get banged up. Guly drink-driving wasn’t enough for example, maybe if he’d really been 4 times over and hit something really out of control. Most people would know being that pissed and driving is trouble anywhere. Certainly if it involves non-prescription drugs, people would know heroin, coke etc isn’t something to trade or posses in any quantity. Or trading people. And if they’ve been warned a few times about saying driving without a licence/insurance and won’t stay off the road…a magistrate might not have a choice. 

[SotonianWill]

It wasn’t law or morals, it was Bezos and Musk! 

Says James O’annoyance

 

 

 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

22 hours ago, aintforever said:

Because of his obsession with violence, the reason they didn’t do anything was because he wasn’t seen as an Islamic extremist.

From the BBC:

An initial review over the summer found Prevent failed to flag Rudakubana as a serious threat because he did not exhibit a commitment to a single radical ideology, Cooper told the Commons.

She said the three referrals took place after he expressed an interest in school shootings, the 2017 London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East.

"Too much weight was placed on the absence of ideology," Cooper said, in light of the fact Rudakubana was "obsessed with massacre or extreme violence".

Cooper said it was "unbearable to think that something more could and should have been done" to stop him, and that "action against him was much too weak".

That does undermine my suspicions but there is more to come out. Sadly I do not have much trust in what we are being told.

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

It wasn’t law or morals, it was Bezos and Musk! 

Says James O’annoyance

 

 

 

Fucking hell, is he really that stupid? 
 

And people listen to this pony 😂

Edited 11 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell, is he really that stupid? 
 

And people listen to this pony 😂

Probably more listen to Jo'B than watch GBeebies.

[whelk]

I am mixed on O’Brien. Clearly an intelligent person and can debate very eloquently and comedically but also feels very blinkered at times. 
like above calling out Amazon selling a knife. They are not hard to get hold of and pretty sure I could buy something from John Lewis that would kill someone with a couple of stabs.

 

[hypochondriac]

 

 

33 minutes ago, whelk said:

I am mixed on O’Brien. Clearly an intelligent person and can debate very eloquently and comedically but also feels very blinkered at times. 
like above calling out Amazon selling a knife. They are not hard to get hold of and pretty sure I could buy something from John Lewis that would kill someone with a couple of stabs.

 

Like you say he's clearly intelligent and erudite no matter how much his critics pretend he's not. I'm almost certain he deliberately says inflammatory things for clicks and attention. There's no way he seriously believes some of the stuff he says. 

[SotonianWill]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 

 

Like you say he's clearly intelligent and erudite no matter how much his critics pretend he's not. I'm almost certain he deliberately says inflammatory things for clicks and attention. There's no way he seriously believes some of the stuff he says. 

I believe he is the perfect radio-man. Middle class enough to get his point across in a well-educated and respectable manner, which people take seriously due to his being middle-class.

 

Yet perfect also in his deluded dogma of opinion - the TalkSport of political discussion. 

[hypochondriac]

Reading about the details of the knife attacks now during sentencing and I'm not ashamed to say I've shed a few tears. It's absolutely heartbreaking. 

[benjii]

As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him.

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, benjii said:

As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him.

Listening to the details it is absolutely pathetic to blame this on amazon or the knife. This man was evil and he would have committed this act as long as he wasn't stopped regardless of being able to buy a knife online. The most terrifying aspect is how random it is, there's absolutely nothing the adults involved could have done and no reason it couldn't be anyones children. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Reading about the details of the knife attacks now during sentencing and I'm not ashamed to say I've shed a few tears. It's absolutely heartbreaking. 

nothing to be ashamed of, i dont think anyone couldn't be moved by this. A lot of sick stuff has happened in the world but on balance this is up there with one of the worst things in my lifetime for sure. How does someone become that evil?

[benjii]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Listening to the details it is absolutely pathetic to blame this on amazon or the knife. This man was evil and he would have committed this act as long as he wasn't stopped regardless of being able to buy a knife online. The most terrifying aspect is how random it is, there's absolutely nothing the adults involved could have done and no reason it couldn't be anyones children. 

Yep. Other than have strict security protocols in every single building, there's not a lot you can do. And we, rightly, don't want to live in a society like that.

Tragedies like this are inevitable and happen (more or less) everywhere. Doesn't make them any less despicable and doesn't make it any less awful if the authorities should have intervened with this guy sooner.

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, benjii said:

As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him.

families going through it all again today, might be the first time they've seen him. Cannot imagine what they're going through.

 

[hypochondriac]

I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. 

[Turkish]

The cunt cant even stand in court and face up to what hes done.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. 

Put him in an oubliette and lose the key. Let him rot, slowly.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. 

Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option.

[egg]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Put him in an oubliette and lose the key. Let him rot, slowly.

 

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option.

I'd prefer a long and slow ordeal for monsters like him than the quick way out. 

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

 

I'd prefer a long and slow ordeal for monsters like him than the quick way out. 

yep, hopefully he'll get carved up in prison a few times, get the sugar and boiling water treatment etc. The more painful the better

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option.

 

 

 

[benjii]

Lowe is such a prick.

[benjii]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. 

Yeah, but then you need legal tests for "100% guilty". Things will always go wrong.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

Yeah, but then you need legal tests for "100% guilty". Things will always go wrong.

Multiple eye witnesses, copious evidence, his guilt is indisputable. 

[Turkish]

52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. 

I couldn't finish reading the impact statements as some were too upsetting. I'm almost certain his sentence will be changed to life without parole and hopefully someone does the tax payer a favour in short order. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

yep, hopefully he'll get carved up in prison a few times, get the sugar and boiling water treatment etc. The more painful the better

It wouldn’t be surprising if he ended up meeting ‘Stanley’ a few times in custody.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. 

Although he was just too young for a full life tariff, he will never be allowed out. And shouldn’t be either.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

nothing to be ashamed of, i dont think anyone couldn't be moved by this. A lot of sick stuff has happened in the world but on balance this is up there with one of the worst things in my lifetime for sure. How does someone become that evil?

I would actually rate this as even worse than that the Jamie Bulger murder, and I never thought I’d be typing that. What was especially sickening is the admittance that he quite deliberately went for the smallest and what he perceived as the weakest kids. He is definitely bad, evil, calculating, not mad, prison is going to be hell for him. 

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. 

52 years of watching his back with plenty of beatings thrown in - assuming he'll be sent to the 'right' prison full of prisoners who won't be happy he's there.

Then there's the zero chance of parole and doubtless many increases in his sentence due to bad behaviour he's no choirboy apparently!

In the incredibly unlikely event he gets out in 52 years, he'll be 70!!

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

In the incredibly unlikely event he gets out in 52 years,

He will never see the light of day. Doesn’t make me want to see the death penalty but hope he gets daily beatings and someone drill his Achilles.

[whelk]

I wonder what parents must feel bringing such a fucked up individual. 

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Multiple eye witnesses, copious evidence, his guilt is indisputable. 

Once the concept is placed back on the Statute books, it is there to be amended further down the line.

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I would actually rate this as even worse than that the Jamie Bulger murder, and I never thought I’d be typing that. What was especially sickening is the admittance that he quite deliberately went for the smallest and what he perceived as the weakest kids. He is definitely bad, evil, calculating, not mad, prison is going to be hell for him. 

I don’t think you need to rank them. So many vile pyschopaths and sickening crimes

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Once the concept is placed back on the Statute books, it is there to be amended further down the line.

My exact criticism of the legalised suicide bill but seemingly no scruples about that in general and this is much more useful potentially. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t think you need to rank them. So many vile pyschopaths and sickening crimes

There isn't that many like this. That's one reason why this is so shocking.