Turkish Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) On 21/01/2025 at 21:52, aintforever said: They said he was born in Wales which is just a fact. Expand Plenty of other stories of an angel faced choir boy. He wasn’t though was he. “The usual racist” were right he was a violent thug expelled from school and so dangerous social workers asked for police protection when speaking to him. Edited January 21 by Turkish
Gloucester Saint Posted January 21 Posted January 21 (edited) On 21/01/2025 at 21:56, whelk said: Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out Expand Yep, there’d been pockets of trouble in some of the East Midlands and northern towns where the hotels were for a couple of years at least. Southport was the excuse, the reason people didn’t riot after London Bridge, 7/7 (I was on the north bound tube) was because the economy was doing better. The EDL were wrongly reported as being organisers because of some knuckle draggers chanting for Tommy Robinson but the very active and dangerous Patriotic Alternative were actually cited as being involved and certainly promoted it actively around the far right and white supremacist circuit. The group cited by Michael Gove as a group of sharply increasing concern and extremist motivations https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-riots-patriotic-alternative-fundraiser-b2626667.html Those rioting weren’t for the most part far right troublemakers? Give me a break https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13719905/Far-right-thugs-humbled-face-justice-Rioter-28-shakes-cries-court-admits-punching-black-man-protester-knocked-ground-police-shield-admits-spitting-officers-three-jailed-today-violent-demos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/world/europe/neo-nazi-uk-riots-elon-musk.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/09/riots-latest-news-protesters-stay-home/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots Good brief article here stating the EDL disbanded and wrongly pinned on riots, but PA and other white extremist groups were very active, and why they should be tagged extremists not terrorists as it gives them oxygen they want https://icct.nl/publication/british-disorder-why-we-need-take-far-right-violence-more-seriously Edited January 21 by Gloucester Saint
aintforever Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 21/01/2025 at 22:07, Sergei Gotsmanov said: So why was he referred to Prevent three times? Expand Because of his obsession with violence, the reason they didn’t do anything was because he wasn’t seen as an Islamic extremist. From the BBC: An initial review over the summer found Prevent failed to flag Rudakubana as a serious threat because he did not exhibit a commitment to a single radical ideology, Cooper told the Commons. She said the three referrals took place after he expressed an interest in school shootings, the 2017 London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. "Too much weight was placed on the absence of ideology," Cooper said, in light of the fact Rudakubana was "obsessed with massacre or extreme violence". Cooper said it was "unbearable to think that something more could and should have been done" to stop him, and that "action against him was much too weak". 1
hypochondriac Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 21/01/2025 at 21:52, aintforever said: They said he was born in Wales which is just a fact. Expand They released only one photo of him as a 12 year old and referred to him as a Welsh choir boy knowing full well what connotations of that would be. 1
Turkish Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 21/01/2025 at 21:56, whelk said: Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out Expand Yes it was a lot to do with that. Rotherham of course has had its own issues with Asian grooming gangs so it was always going to be a bit of a powder keg for this subject
hypochondriac Posted January 21 Posted January 21 On 21/01/2025 at 21:56, whelk said: Weren’t most of the riots more just a case of people being fucked off with immigration? The Southport killings kicked it off but don’t think these twats rioting in Rotherham etc were concerned about those events and what info was coming out Expand It was mostly to do with foreigners coming here and doing stuff to English children-specifically girls. That's what caused everything to kick off as well as the nice weather of course. Wouldn't catch people out in January.
hypochondriac Posted January 22 Posted January 22 Possible motive was that he was a racist and hated white English people:
hypochondriac Posted January 22 Posted January 22 I see that the government is now blaming Amazon and the knife for the Southport attack. Personally I think we should just ban taxis then he never woukd have been able to get to the little girl's dance class. 1
whelk Posted January 22 Posted January 22 State of the world https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102 I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side
Turkish Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 22/01/2025 at 13:54, whelk said: State of the world https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102 I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side Expand i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 22/01/2025 at 13:57, Turkish said: i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here. Expand Fuckers. Coming over here, sleeping in our prison beds. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) On 22/01/2025 at 13:57, Turkish said: i read something a while back that 1 in 7 people in UK prisons were not born here. Expand Correct, nearly 12% according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population#:~:text=and Wales only-,Immigrants and foreign nationals,578 having no nationality recorded. From 2022 but I doubt it has changed much, illiteracy and not having basic writing/reading/numeracy the biggy at 30% https://educationinspection.blog.gov.uk/2022/11/11/education-for-prisoners-with-learning-difficulties-and-or-disabilities/ Violent Schizophrenia is the variable that gets discussed often for the most high profile crimes if people aren’t managing their own medication and lose touch which those who were https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/throw-people-schizophrenia-prison/ Edited January 22 by Gloucester Saint
Turkish Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 22/01/2025 at 14:07, Gloucester Saint said: Correct, nearly 12% according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population#:~:text=and Wales only-,Immigrants and foreign nationals,578 having no nationality recorded. From 2022 but I doubt it has changed much, illiteracy and not having basic writing/reading/numeracy the biggy at 30% https://educationinspection.blog.gov.uk/2022/11/11/education-for-prisoners-with-learning-difficulties-and-or-disabilities/ Violent Schizophrenia is the variable that gets discussed often for the most high profile crimes if people aren’t managing their own medication and lose touch which those who were https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/throw-people-schizophrenia-prison/ Expand can we put foreigners being overrepresented in prison down to racism?
hypochondriac Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 22/01/2025 at 13:54, whelk said: State of the world https://news.sky.com/story/two-killed-in-knife-attack-in-germany-13294102 I would like to see reliable statistics about violent crimes and original country of origin of the offender. Not to gee up any right wing mob but does seem like crimes like this so often the perpetrator is from a non-western background. For a grown-up discussion not to fuel prejudices on either side Expand Stuff like this should be discussed more sensibly. It won't be of course but it should.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 22/01/2025 at 14:25, Turkish said: can we put foreigners being overrepresented in prison down to racism? Expand Dunno, you’d have break down the offences. Objectively you could say language barriers might stop some people understanding they’ve committed an offence but you’ve got to do something fairly serious to get banged up. Guly drink-driving wasn’t enough for example, maybe if he’d really been 4 times over and hit something really out of control. Most people would know being that pissed and driving is trouble anywhere. Certainly if it involves non-prescription drugs, people would know heroin, coke etc isn’t something to trade or posses in any quantity. Or trading people. And if they’ve been warned a few times about saying driving without a licence/insurance and won’t stay off the road…a magistrate might not have a choice.
SotonianWill Posted January 22 Posted January 22 It wasn’t law or morals, it was Bezos and Musk! Says James O’annoyance 3
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 21/01/2025 at 22:26, aintforever said: Because of his obsession with violence, the reason they didn’t do anything was because he wasn’t seen as an Islamic extremist. From the BBC: An initial review over the summer found Prevent failed to flag Rudakubana as a serious threat because he did not exhibit a commitment to a single radical ideology, Cooper told the Commons. She said the three referrals took place after he expressed an interest in school shootings, the 2017 London Bridge attack, the IRA, MI5 and the Middle East. "Too much weight was placed on the absence of ideology," Cooper said, in light of the fact Rudakubana was "obsessed with massacre or extreme violence". Cooper said it was "unbearable to think that something more could and should have been done" to stop him, and that "action against him was much too weak". Expand That does undermine my suspicions but there is more to come out. Sadly I do not have much trust in what we are being told.
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) On 22/01/2025 at 20:29, SotonianWill said: It wasn’t law or morals, it was Bezos and Musk! Says James O’annoyance Expand Fucking hell, is he really that stupid? And people listen to this pony 😂 Edited January 23 by Lord Duckhunter
badgerx16 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 07:50, Lord Duckhunter said: Fucking hell, is he really that stupid? And people listen to this pony 😂 Expand Probably more listen to Jo'B than watch GBeebies.
whelk Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I am mixed on O’Brien. Clearly an intelligent person and can debate very eloquently and comedically but also feels very blinkered at times. like above calling out Amazon selling a knife. They are not hard to get hold of and pretty sure I could buy something from John Lewis that would kill someone with a couple of stabs.
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 10:40, whelk said: I am mixed on O’Brien. Clearly an intelligent person and can debate very eloquently and comedically but also feels very blinkered at times. like above calling out Amazon selling a knife. They are not hard to get hold of and pretty sure I could buy something from John Lewis that would kill someone with a couple of stabs. Expand Like you say he's clearly intelligent and erudite no matter how much his critics pretend he's not. I'm almost certain he deliberately says inflammatory things for clicks and attention. There's no way he seriously believes some of the stuff he says.
SotonianWill Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 11:15, hypochondriac said: Like you say he's clearly intelligent and erudite no matter how much his critics pretend he's not. I'm almost certain he deliberately says inflammatory things for clicks and attention. There's no way he seriously believes some of the stuff he says. Expand I believe he is the perfect radio-man. Middle class enough to get his point across in a well-educated and respectable manner, which people take seriously due to his being middle-class. Yet perfect also in his deluded dogma of opinion - the TalkSport of political discussion.
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Reading about the details of the knife attacks now during sentencing and I'm not ashamed to say I've shed a few tears. It's absolutely heartbreaking.
benjii Posted January 23 Posted January 23 As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him.
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 13:43, benjii said: As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him. Expand Listening to the details it is absolutely pathetic to blame this on amazon or the knife. This man was evil and he would have committed this act as long as he wasn't stopped regardless of being able to buy a knife online. The most terrifying aspect is how random it is, there's absolutely nothing the adults involved could have done and no reason it couldn't be anyones children.
Turkish Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 12:52, hypochondriac said: Reading about the details of the knife attacks now during sentencing and I'm not ashamed to say I've shed a few tears. It's absolutely heartbreaking. Expand nothing to be ashamed of, i dont think anyone couldn't be moved by this. A lot of sick stuff has happened in the world but on balance this is up there with one of the worst things in my lifetime for sure. How does someone become that evil? 1
benjii Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 13:52, hypochondriac said: Listening to the details it is absolutely pathetic to blame this on amazon or the knife. This man was evil and he would have committed this act as long as he wasn't stopped regardless of being able to buy a knife online. The most terrifying aspect is how random it is, there's absolutely nothing the adults involved could have done and no reason it couldn't be anyones children. Expand Yep. Other than have strict security protocols in every single building, there's not a lot you can do. And we, rightly, don't want to live in a society like that. Tragedies like this are inevitable and happen (more or less) everywhere. Doesn't make them any less despicable and doesn't make it any less awful if the authorities should have intervened with this guy sooner. 1
Turkish Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 13:43, benjii said: As well the people directly impacted, I really feel for the taxi driver. This must haunt him. Expand families going through it all again today, might be the first time they've seen him. Cannot imagine what they're going through. 2
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. 1
Turkish Posted January 23 Posted January 23 The cunt cant even stand in court and face up to what hes done.
badgerx16 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 14:21, hypochondriac said: I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. Expand Put him in an oubliette and lose the key. Let him rot, slowly. 2
aintforever Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 14:21, hypochondriac said: I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. Expand Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option.
egg Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 15:23, badgerx16 said: Put him in an oubliette and lose the key. Let him rot, slowly. Expand On 23/01/2025 at 16:22, aintforever said: Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option. Expand I'd prefer a long and slow ordeal for monsters like him than the quick way out. 2
Turkish Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 16:27, egg said: I'd prefer a long and slow ordeal for monsters like him than the quick way out. Expand yep, hopefully he'll get carved up in prison a few times, get the sugar and boiling water treatment etc. The more painful the better
Lord Duckhunter Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 16:22, aintforever said: Agree. In cases like this, where the level of depravity is so high and there is no doubt of guilt, it should be an option. Expand
benjii Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 14:21, hypochondriac said: I've never supported the death penalty but in a case like this where he is 100% guilty I wouldn't be opposed to it. Expand Yeah, but then you need legal tests for "100% guilty". Things will always go wrong. 1
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 17:37, benjii said: Yeah, but then you need legal tests for "100% guilty". Things will always go wrong. Expand Multiple eye witnesses, copious evidence, his guilt is indisputable. 1
Turkish Posted January 23 Posted January 23 52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times.
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:05, Turkish said: 52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. Expand I couldn't finish reading the impact statements as some were too upsetting. I'm almost certain his sentence will be changed to life without parole and hopefully someone does the tax payer a favour in short order.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 16:29, Turkish said: yep, hopefully he'll get carved up in prison a few times, get the sugar and boiling water treatment etc. The more painful the better Expand It wouldn’t be surprising if he ended up meeting ‘Stanley’ a few times in custody.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:05, Turkish said: 52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. Expand Although he was just too young for a full life tariff, he will never be allowed out. And shouldn’t be either.
Gloucester Saint Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 13:53, Turkish said: nothing to be ashamed of, i dont think anyone couldn't be moved by this. A lot of sick stuff has happened in the world but on balance this is up there with one of the worst things in my lifetime for sure. How does someone become that evil? Expand I would actually rate this as even worse than that the Jamie Bulger murder, and I never thought I’d be typing that. What was especially sickening is the admittance that he quite deliberately went for the smallest and what he perceived as the weakest kids. He is definitely bad, evil, calculating, not mad, prison is going to be hell for him.
Weston Super Saint Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:05, Turkish said: 52 years. Fuck me he stabbed one of the girls over 100 times. Expand 52 years of watching his back with plenty of beatings thrown in - assuming he'll be sent to the 'right' prison full of prisoners who won't be happy he's there. Then there's the zero chance of parole and doubtless many increases in his sentence due to bad behaviour he's no choirboy apparently! In the incredibly unlikely event he gets out in 52 years, he'll be 70!!
whelk Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:15, Weston Super Saint said: In the incredibly unlikely event he gets out in 52 years, Expand He will never see the light of day. Doesn’t make me want to see the death penalty but hope he gets daily beatings and someone drill his Achilles.
whelk Posted January 23 Posted January 23 I wonder what parents must feel bringing such a fucked up individual.
badgerx16 Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 17:40, hypochondriac said: Multiple eye witnesses, copious evidence, his guilt is indisputable. Expand Once the concept is placed back on the Statute books, it is there to be amended further down the line.
whelk Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:15, Gloucester Saint said: I would actually rate this as even worse than that the Jamie Bulger murder, and I never thought I’d be typing that. What was especially sickening is the admittance that he quite deliberately went for the smallest and what he perceived as the weakest kids. He is definitely bad, evil, calculating, not mad, prison is going to be hell for him. Expand I don’t think you need to rank them. So many vile pyschopaths and sickening crimes
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:25, badgerx16 said: Once the concept is placed back on the Statute books, it is there to be amended further down the line. Expand My exact criticism of the legalised suicide bill but seemingly no scruples about that in general and this is much more useful potentially.
hypochondriac Posted January 23 Posted January 23 On 23/01/2025 at 18:25, whelk said: I don’t think you need to rank them. So many vile pyschopaths and sickening crimes Expand There isn't that many like this. That's one reason why this is so shocking.
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