gal1990 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Saw this on a Swansea site. Why are we doing so much better than Swansea this season? Lets not forget, they were tipped for great things, and a few had us down to struggle! I was at the 3-1, and we were miles better. Lets hope it continues eh!? http://www.comeonyouswans.com/featured/why-are-the-likes-of-west-ham-leicester-southampton-doing-better-than-the-swans_2015_11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Because they sign our rejects to start for them? *takes cover* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Unfortunately for them its largely because Monk has been found out. I understand they have insisted on him employing an experienced coach to work alongside him (as well as Beatts of course). Nice guy, former Saint, but not in the same coaching league as the Koeman Bros, Tinkerman or Bilic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Because they sign our rejects to start for them? *takes cover* Fair point though. It looks like Cork has swapped our bench for theirs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Because they have Monk as manager a young guy with little experience of management or playing at high level. While we have a manager who has played and managed at a high level in several different countries and has a wealth of experience to call on........would be my guess. I imagine if we swapped mangers with Swansea our current table positions would be rather different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naiser Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 "The likes of West Ham, Leicester, Southampton"... The gall of them... I guess we're supposedly bottom feeders to them. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Better manager, better coaching staff, better players. its a no brainer really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They lack the resources really to compete long term. A club that size can have a couple of decent seasons if they're well managed, have a good team spirit and a couple of players like Bony and Michu. Beyond that though, I don't think they have the financial clout to bring in a team of VvD, Wanyama, Mané etc. Their third most expensive signing is Hernandez for £5.5m, which kind of illustrates their limitations. Plus Swansea is miles away from pretty much everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They lack the resources really to compete long term. A club that size can have a couple of decent seasons if they're well managed, have a good team spirit and a couple of players like Bony and Michu. Beyond that though, I don't think they have the financial clout to bring in a team of VvD, Wanyama, Mané etc. Their third most expensive signing is Hernandez for £5.5m, which kind of illustrates their limitations. Plus Swansea is miles away from pretty much everywhere. Their Stadium will be as big as ours in a couple of seasons if expansion plans go ahead. They are a big draw in their area (**** all else going on, same as down here), they compete in the same league as us, so in terms of resources - surely they are on a par with Saints? I don't know what their ownership structure is like mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Their Stadium will be as big as ours in a couple of seasons if expansion plans go ahead. They are a big draw in their area (**** all else going on, same as down here), they compete in the same league as us, so in terms of resources - surely they are on a par with Saints? I don't know what their ownership structure is like mind. Swansea haven't historically been a big club though. It's not like when we came back up to the Prem and all the fair weather fans came flooding back. Also it is fairly isolated. The Swansea metropolitan area is reasonable enough but there really is bugger all outside it. Just water and mountains, you'd have to go to Cardiff to find the next decent sized town and they've got their own club. They can't pull in fans from Basingstoke, Winchester, Bournemouth, Salisbury etc. like we can. Plus rugby is pretty big over there and I'd imagine the Osprey's take up a fair bit of local interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Beattie has ruined them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Swansea only really have their passing game. We have a passing game, but also a target man, great crossers and big centre backs who come up for setpieces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 I have pointed out weeks ago that Garry Monk should never have brought in his former mater James Beattie. One of the worse things one can do in any management position is to bring in mates, friends. The workforce or players quickly lose all respect of the manager unless the mate is an absolute genius with an attractive character. Of course, if it's done without anyone knowing, it won't have the same detrimental effect. Sadly, Beattie's just not the type of person who would have inspired the players. Her reputation went before him. He's a smashing person but not when it comes to working as a coach at Swansea with Garry Monk and with the first team. Maybe it would have worked with the kids or Academy but not the team team. Hope Garry's learned his lesson and brings in the right assistant before it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They never really replaced Bony. They signed Eder in the summer who has had absolutely no impact what so ever and I wouldn't even call Ayew a striker - more of a Mane type. They're a good side though, just going through a bad patch. They probably need to spend a bit of £££ on a striker in January though, they need a focal point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Essentially they are the new Wigan - A league 1/2 club planning temporarily in the Premier League. Eventually they will return to their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 How many of their players would you want in our starting XI of... Stekenlenburg (Forster when fit); Cedric, Fonte, van Dijk, Bertrand; Clasie, Wanyama, S.Davis; Mane, Tadic, Pelle? Its one or two at most (if we are being generous). We also have far better depth to our squad than they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They never really replaced Bony. They signed Eder in the summer who has had absolutely no impact what so ever and I wouldn't even call Ayew a striker - more of a Mane type. They're a good side though, just going through a bad patch. They probably need to spend a bit of £££ on a striker in January though, they need a focal point. They didn't need to replace Bony as they had Gomis. In my opinion Swansea are struggling because they don't play with the width they once did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They didn't need to replace Bony as they had Gomis. In my opinion Swansea are struggling because they don't play with the width they once did. Bafé is almost always offside, did Bony have that problem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 They didn't need to replace Bony as they had Gomis. In my opinion Swansea are struggling because they don't play with the width they once did. It was Bony and Gomis originally, the second fiddle to Bony became first choice. I really don't rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Bafé is almost always offside, did Bony have that problem ? Don't know really - I know Bony never liked to stray anywhere else other than between the width of the 18 yard box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 (edited) It's a shame really as I liked them from the start, but they, unlike us, don't have the financial infrastructure to maintain success. We are lucky enough to have been able to sell and replace with better value players. I hope they keep at it though. Edited 13 November, 2015 by Secret Site Agent posted to wrong thread. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Don't know really - I know Bony never liked to stray anywhere else other than between the width of the 18 yard box. Bony was a bit younger I think. Bafé always had problems with the offside rule, got away with it when he was a kid and the refs were bad and then in France when defenders are oft slow and half-witted, now that he's playing in a league stuffed full of elite defenders he just isn't up to it(not being offside that is) and will not get much better now that he's pushing 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 "The likes of West Ham, Leicester, Southampton"... The gall of them... I guess we're supposedly bottom feeders to them. You know we are placed lower than both those other two teams in the table? A full third of the way through the season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Monk had a fairly good squad last season, but after having lost a few, including his top striker, he hasn't managed to replace them as well as we have done..... They've been in, or around mid table for several seasons, so the panic has set in .....maybe it's just " a blip "? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Football League Cup Winners (1): 2012–13 Football League Trophy Winners (2): 1993–94, 2005–06 We'd be (I'd be) extremely chuffed to have those honours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Their Stadium will be as big as ours in a couple of seasons if expansion plans go ahead. They are a big draw in their area (**** all else going on, same as down here), they compete in the same league as us, so in terms of resources - surely they are on a par with Saints? I don't know what their ownership structure is like mind. Aren't they the 2nd biggest 'fan owned' club in the country ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Because they have Monk as manager a young guy with little experience of management or playing at high level. While we have a manager who has played and managed at a high level in several different countries and has a wealth of experience to call on........would be my guess. I imagine if we swapped mangers with Swansea our current table positions would be rather different. Ferguson, Mourinho and Wenger were all unremarkable players. Maradona, Tony Adams, Gazza, Merson, Souness (maybe a bit harsh), Bobby Charlton, Gullit and Shearer were all great players but poor managers. A successful playing career earns you the respect of the dressing room when you first walk through the door - aside from that it's pretty irrelevant. Swansea only really have their passing game. We have a passing game, but also a target man, great crossers and big centre backs who come up for setpieces Gomis; Montero + Sigurdsson; Williams. I have pointed out weeks ago that Garry Monk should never have brought in his former mater James Beattie. One of the worse things one can do in any management position is to bring in mates, friends. The workforce or players quickly lose all respect of the manager unless the mate is an absolute genius with an attractive character. Of course, if it's done without anyone knowing, it won't have the same detrimental effect. Sadly, Beattie's just not the type of person who would have inspired the players. Her reputation went before him. He's a smashing person but not when it comes to working as a coach at Swansea with Garry Monk and with the first team. Maybe it would have worked with the kids or Academy but not the team team. Hope Garry's learned his lesson and brings in the right assistant before it's too late. The majority of managers take their same 'mates' and backroom staff with them to every job they get these days. You could also say Beattie was a colleague of Monk's for many years, from whom Monk knew what he'd be getting. As for Beattie's motivational qualities, I'm not sure how you know whether they're good or bad - you may be right, but where's the evidence? Essentially they are the new Wigan - A league 1/2 club planning temporarily in the Premier League. Eventually they will return to their level. Why are they a League 1/2 club? Nice stadium, decent enough catchment area (especially if Cardiff continue to languish), fairly well-run at board level. We've won one FA Cup, they've won one League Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 I always thought loaning out Dyer was a strange decision. He did OK for them in the last couple of seasons. Plus Gomis is out of form, Montero started brightly but has faded, and now we see how good a manager Monk is as to whether he can change their fortunes. (Similarly Mourinho at Chelsea, if he's any kind of manager he'll turn their fortunes around.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 This is all a bit premature. They're simply going through a dry spell. They will come out of it soon. Solid defensively, DM's are excellent, AM's better than most teams, Gomis scored about 6 games in a row recently and Ayew is a good no10. Realise this was prompted by comments on their board, but they should be patient with their team and not start being jealous of other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Play too good football to go down. Really hope they keep Monk on but have a feeling they'll get rid and offer Brendon a route back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Aren't they the 2nd biggest 'fan owned' club in the country ? :) No, they're the biggest fan-owned club in the principality. The other lot you're thinking of come from the unprincipality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 You can't go blaming Beattie. He is there to work with the strikers. OK, you might argue they are not scoring many goals, but as somebody pointed out earlier, they sold their best striker in Bony, so he can only work with what he's got. I think it's amazing we recruited Koeman and in my humble opinion, he is the best manager tactically and motivationally in the Premier League. But I also have a sneaking admiration for Swansea for giving Monk a chance as a young English manager. I've had Monk earmarked as successor to Koeman when (or hopefully, if) Ron is prised away. He fits our profile; he's young, hungry, tactically not bad and although he is English, he and Swansea are not afraid to look abroad for talent. I don't want Koeman to leave, but that is probably going to happen at some stage. Monk, allied to our successful scouting and recruiting, could be a good combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 We have better players, they have no plan B either, been their problem for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 We've got more depth. Decisions from them like sending Dyer away on loan confused me immensely too unless it was due to financial constraints. Also their striker is off form(Gomis) & they lack adequate back up(something we've suffered from to some degree in the past, like last season when Pelle was going through a drought) Also i think the gap between us is exagerrated currently, they will bounce back and finish in the top half as they have a good manager(barring knee jerk sacking) & a good first xi. After 5 games they had 11 points whereas we had 6. Better time to judge would be at the midway point of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Because Gomis isn't good enough. He's been very quickly found out after a rip roaring start. Not enough goals in the side after that. Ayew is good, but as has been said, is more of a Mane than an out and out scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Because Gomis isn't good enough. He's been very quickly found out after a rip roaring start. Not enough goals in the side after that. Ayew is good, but as has been said, is more of a Mane than an out and out scorer. Gomis is about pace, unfortunately for Swansea he's pushing 31 and isn't very bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 They've lost key players and haven't replaced as well as we have. We seem to turn player losses into business opportunities and make money out of them, much better than most other clubs anyway - including Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Who cares!!! I met Garry Monk many years ago when he was a player (in the loosest sense) at Saints, late in the night / Sunday morning after we had lost at home 1-0 to Sunderland. He was splashing the £50 chips in Grosvenor like there was no tomorrow and was incredibly obnoxious and was clearly hanging on the coat tails of Kevin Davies, BT, and Claus who were all there. Was a Championship standard defender at best but seems to have a superiority complex. I could be wrong of course and he might turn into a great manager......I won't hold my breath. Like in his playing days he is getting an element of fame because of what others do or have done to help him in the position he is...he got lucky with the team he inherited but as he has had time...Swansea have got worse. mmmmm!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 because when push comes to shove we are a bigger club than them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 14 November, 2015 Share Posted 14 November, 2015 Bigger club, more top flight history, bigger ground, better infrastructure, better manager, better players, higher profile. That type of thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarakka Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 Interesting thing is that they've practically had no injuries this season at all. I think Montero was out at some point, but other than that I don't remember anyone else from their starting XI being out. I've been wondering if there's some locker room problem going on. Last season Monk did pretty well even after they sold Bony and Swansea's squad really isn't that terrible in my opinion. Hoping they can turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 We are not doing so much better than Swansea at all. It is early in the season, and only a few weeks since we trailed Swansea. When we have completed our tough winter matches, and then only if we have substantially increased our current lead over Swansea, can we really begin to ask that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 We are not doing so much better than Swansea at all. It is early in the season, and only a few weeks since we trailed Swansea. When we have completed our tough winter matches, and then only if we have substantially increased our current lead over Swansea, can we really begin to ask that question. 7 points ahead, third of the season gone. Yes we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 Unfortunately for them its largely because Monk has been found out. I understand they have insisted on him employing an experienced coach to work alongside him (as well as Beatts of course). Nice guy, former Saint, but not in the same coaching league as the Koeman Bros, Tinkerman or Bilic. This quote was printed in the 'i' on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 7 points ahead, third of the season gone. Yes we are. ..so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 This quote was printed in the 'i' on Saturday. Excuse my ignorance, but what is the i? I read this somewhere middle last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 I have pointed out weeks ago that Garry Monk should never have brought in his former mater James Beattie. One of the worse things one can do in any management position is to bring in mates, friends. The workforce or players quickly lose all respect of the manager unless the mate is an absolute genius with an attractive character. Of course, if it's done without anyone knowing, it won't have the same detrimental effect. Sadly, Beattie's just not the type of person who would have inspired the players. Her reputation went before him. He's a smashing person but not when it comes to working as a coach at Swansea with Garry Monk and with the first team. Maybe it would have worked with the kids or Academy but not the team team. Hope Garry's learned his lesson and brings in the right assistant before it's too late. Koeman brought in his brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 November, 2015 Share Posted 15 November, 2015 The Indy related paper. Right? Never read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 November, 2015 Share Posted 16 November, 2015 7 points ahead, third of the season gone. Yes we are. End of Sept we were level. Most ridiculous thread/question. Hey guess what the league table will change. Why are Leicester so much better than Chelsea? Why can't Man City beat Villa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 November, 2015 Share Posted 16 November, 2015 End of Sept we were level. Most ridiculous thread/question. Hey guess what the league table will change. Why are Leicester so much better than Chelsea? Why can't Man City beat Villa? The thread is about why we are doing so much better. Present tense. You don't seem able to grasp quite a simple concept. If you want to discuss whether we will be better at the end of the season you could start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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