naiser Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/live-updates-singapore-vs/2254508.html Maya has a pretty decent scoring record as a defender. Congratulations to him and hope to see him leave the "1 silly mistake per game" antics behind. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 This idea that he makes a mistake a game has come from nowhere. Unless you're counting a misplaced pass, in which case everyone makes a mistake a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 This idea that he makes a mistake a game has come from nowhere. Unless you're counting a misplaced pass, in which case everyone makes a mistake a game. Every player makes mistakes and I would say that Maya makes more mistakes that lead to goals against than most. It isn't just the misplace passes with him, it is his lack of positional nous and poor decision making too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 The people who think Yoshi is a bad player obviously never watched Fox, Bernard, Jakobsson, Davenport, Lancashire, Powell or Kenton. Christ we've had some sh*te defenders in the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naiser Posted 12 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 12 November, 2015 He has improved vastly from previous seasons, and Koeman obviously rates his defensive strengths highly enough for him to get so many games. He has shown to be a fighter with a positive mindset and he's in a good position to iron out the creases in his game as a squad player. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 The people who think Yoshi is a bad player obviously never watched Fox, Bernard, Jakobsson, Davenport, Lancashire, Powell or Kenton. Christ we've had some sh*te defenders in the last 10 years. this x 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 This idea that he makes a mistake a game has come from nowhere. Unless you're counting a misplaced pass, in which case everyone makes a mistake a game. I recall reading posts from The9 about his “1 mistake every game” and thought it was harsh and the sort of thing people say when they have an irrational dislike for a player. Since then though, nearly every time I’ve seen Yoshida play he has made a mistake that has led to the opposition having a goalscoring opportunity. For the most part he does well and he certainly doesn’t let the side down when he is called upon, but I think he is slightly more prone to a lack of concentration and/or a sloppy pass than our other regular defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 The people who think Yoshi is a bad player obviously never watched Fox, Bernard, Jakobsson, Davenport, Lancashire, Powell or Kenton. Christ we've had some sh*te defenders in the last 10 years. Unfair on Fox. ****e at this level but was quality for us in the promotion season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 Every player makes mistakes and I would say that Maya makes more mistakes that lead to goals against than most. It isn't just the misplace passes with him, it is his lack of positional nous and poor decision making too. Not really much evidence to support your claims though is there. His positional "nous" as you put it really is one of his assets, makes up for not being the tallest or the quickest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 Unfair on Fox. ****e at this level but was quality for us in the promotion season. He really wasn't. Half decent crossing didn't make up for his terrible defending never seen a full back with such poor positional sense as Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 I recall reading posts from The9 about his “1 mistake every game” and thought it was harsh and the sort of thing people say when they have an irrational dislike for a player. Since then though, nearly every time I’ve seen Yoshida play he has made a mistake that has led to the opposition having a goalscoring opportunity. For the most part he does well and he certainly doesn’t let the side down when he is called upon, but I think he is slightly more prone to a lack of concentration and/or a sloppy pass than our other regular defenders. So why doesn't he appear in THIS list of players making most defensive errors then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 (edited) So why doesn't he appear in THIS list of players making most defensive errors then? 5 defensive errors after 11 games seems awfully low for the highest on the list, not sure how that's been classified. Mine is purely through observation since having my attention drawn to it. Edited 12 November, 2015 by mrfahaji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 5 defensive errors after 11 games seems awfully low for the highest on the list, not sure how that's been classified. Mine is purely through observation since having my attention drawn to it. And that's exactly how biases work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 And that's exactly how biases work... Sorry if I was supposed to compile a set of statistics to support my opinion, I don't think my opening statement was particularly scathing or 'biased' to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 This idea that he makes a mistake a game has come from nowhere. Unless you're counting a misplaced pass, in which case everyone makes a mistake a game. to put this in perspective....I guess they are referring to the incident in the MU game than led to Martial scoring...... as I recall.....wasn't it Fonte who gifted Van Persie with one ..or was it two goals last season through poor passing? Everyone makes mistakes and despite their vauable place in the team, both Wanyama and Mane could use a few lessons in how to pass a ball correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 Not really much evidence to support your claims though is there. His positional "nous" as you put it really is one of his assets, makes up for not being the tallest or the quickest. We will have to agree to disagree. I think he often gets caught on the wrong side of a player or plays someone onside. He is not the worst defender we have ever had by any means but I doubt if he would get a starting place in many other Premiership clubs. Fine as a squad player but I don't think we need worry about losing him any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 We will have to agree to disagree. I think he often gets caught on the wrong side of a player or plays someone onside. He is not the worst defender we have ever had by any means but I doubt if he would get a starting place in many other Premiership clubs. Fine as a squad player but I don't think we need worry about losing him any time soon. I agree with you. His positioning is particularly bad when he plays full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 November, 2015 Share Posted 12 November, 2015 Sorry if I was supposed to compile a set of statistics to support my opinion, I don't think my opening statement was particularly scathing or 'biased' to be honest. Someone who's had their attention drawn to watching for mistakes sounds like an ideal suspect for confirmation bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Someone who's had their attention drawn to watching for mistakes sounds like an ideal suspect for confirmation bias. I wasn't "watching for mistakes", it was something that I had noticed while watching the games. And I also stated that I didn't initially agree with The9's assertion, but began to think that he had a point in several matches this season. I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon or just believe what people say, but equally I'm prepared to change my mind or accept another point of view if I can see the evidence for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 This idea that he makes a mistake a game has come from nowhere. Unless you're counting a misplaced pass, in which case everyone makes a mistake a game. It's come from me repeating it, because he basically does one thing a game which significantly impacts on our ability to keep a clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 He has improved vastly from previous seasons He absolutely hasn't, other than his passing, which is much better than when he started - and that was never really the problem to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 We will have to agree to disagree. I think he often gets caught on the wrong side of a player or plays someone onside. He is not the worst defender we have ever had by any means but I doubt if he would get a starting place in many other Premiership clubs. Fine as a squad player but I don't think we need worry about losing him any time soon. Quite. He's not getting as much opportunity to go under long balls and misjudge headers from full back either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 The people who think Yoshi is a bad player obviously never watched Fox, Bernard, Jakobsson, Davenport, Lancashire, Powell or Kenton. Christ we've had some sh*te defenders in the last 10 years. You can't call Fox a 'defender' that is an insult even to the rest of the names in your list. One of the poorest excuses for a player I have seen in a Saints shirt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Anyway, well done him on scoring for Japan again. Still waiting for one of his scissors-kick volleys we saw on YouTube when he signed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 He really wasn't. Half decent crossing didn't make up for his terrible defending never seen a full back with such poor positional sense as Fox. Dead right. Fox's problem - or one of the main ones was he watched the ball and forgot the man he was supposed to be marking who was free to do exactly as he liked.... It was blatant that his gaze was directly at the ball and he had no spacial awareness at all.. Cost us many many goals and should never have been near the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 You can't call Fox a 'defender' that is an insult even to the rest of the names in your list. One of the poorest excuses for a player I have seen in a Saints shirt..... Maybe I have a selective memory but don't recall Fox getting much stick on our way up? It was only really when we arrived in the Premiership that his frailties were exposed wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 (edited) Maybe I have a selective memory but don't recall Fox getting much stick on our way up? It was only really when we arrived in the Premiership that his frailties were exposed wasn't it? I think he must have had his share of stick in the Championship because I do recall not being at all surprised when it was Fox who bizarrely headed the ball back into the danger area for Man City to score the winner in our first game back in the Premier League. I remember he got hammered for his watching brief giving players in 10 yards of space to cross on the the right wing whilst he hung around the side of the box, as well as getting pelters unfairly for always being up the pitch when teams attacked the hole behind him, and both of those happened in the FL as well as the early Prem matches. Even getting stick, he was still a fundamental part of our Championship success, his delivery from deep to the big man at the far stick was excellent, even though lots of people thought he should try taking his man on a lot more often, Harding-style. Edited 13 November, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Maybe I have a selective memory but don't recall Fox getting much stick on our way up? It was only really when we arrived in the Premiership that his frailties were exposed wasn't it? Nope, never considered him a good defender, he did have some quality going forward to be fair. Was a travesty that he pushed Dan Harding out. Abiding memory of Fox is him standing hands on hips looking back as the rest of the defence fail to deal with one of his cock-ups. Always seemed to blame someone else, one of the worst players to pull on a Saints shirt. Even WGS got shot of him very quickly, not good enough for the Jocks, that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 I agree with you. His positioning is particularly bad when he plays full back. Don't completely disagree when he plays RB. Its what happens when someone is played out of position. I don't know why Ronald does it. He is actually a better LB than RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Nope, never considered him a good defender, he did have some quality going forward to be fair. Was a travesty that he pushed Dan Harding out. Abiding memory of Fox is him standing hands on hips looking back as the rest of the defence fail to deal with one of his cock-ups. Always seemed to blame someone else, one of the worst players to pull on a Saints shirt. Even WGS got shot of him very quickly, not good enough for the Jocks, that's saying something. He did have the misfortune to have his competitive recall to the Scotland team marking Gareth Bale - and he did reasonably well at that with Wales only winning 2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 I think he must have had his share of stick in the Championship because I do recall not being at all surprised when it was Fox who bizarrely headed the ball back into the danger area for Man City to score the winner in our first game back in the Premier League. I remember he got hammered for his watching brief giving players in 10 yards of space to cross on the the right wing whilst he hung around the side of the box, as well as getting pelters unfairly for always being up the pitch when teams attacked the hole behind him, and both of those happened in the FL as well as the early Prem matches. Even getting stick, he was still a fundamental part of our Championship success, his delivery from deep to the big man at the far stick was excellent, even though lots of people thought he should try taking his man on a lot more often, Harding-style. I'll never forget that header against City. Even when playing football at school I have never seen anything like that. God knows what he was thinking, perhaps he wasn't and that was the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 I'll never forget that header against City. Even when playing football at school I have never seen anything like that. God knows what he was thinking, perhaps he wasn't and that was the problem! He was completely knackered and definitely not trying to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 Maybe I have a selective memory but don't recall Fox getting much stick on our way up? It was only really when we arrived in the Premiership that his frailties were exposed wasn't it? Correct - you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2015 Share Posted 13 November, 2015 He did have the misfortune to have his competitive recall to the Scotland team marking Gareth Bale - and he did reasonably well at that with Wales only winning 2-1. Although it was his 4th cap in total. I recall WGS called him up initially after he took over in 2013 but he never made it onto the pitch and WGS never selected him again. I tend to trust Gordie's judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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