saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Horrible. Slow. Lack of concentration. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Horrible. Slow. Lack of concentration. Pathetic. Should fit into our team perfectly then! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I'm afraid I agree. He was the poorest of the lot today. Horrible touch and awareness. God we need some centre backs and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Should fit into our team perfectly then! amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I thought Lancashire was fine today. Not as good as their attackers but wasn't embarassed and won a lot of headers, got some blocks in, just like the rest of the back 4. Under constant pressure, but all showed fight. Slagging off one off our 2 remaining central defenders will get us nowhere. Agree. If there's a position where lack of experience will cost you, its CB. He's a youngster still learning. In time he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I thought Lancashire was fine today. Not as good as their attackers but wasn't embarassed and won a lot of headers, got some blocks in, just like the rest of the back 4. Under constant pressure, but all showed fight. Slagging off one off our 2 remaining central defenders will get us nowhere. He was shocking. Lead weights in his boots? With the amount of chances they created and times they were attempting through balls anyone would have made a 'few interceptions' He is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 His tackling was okay, but his passing and touch were atrocious. He needs time, but we don't have much unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 His tackling was okay, but his passing and touch were atrocious. He needs time, but we don't have much unfortunately. agreed, don't get me started on his distribution. He is painfully slow also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 agreed, don't get me started on his distribution. He is painfully slow also So you don't rate him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 So you don't rate him then? lol NOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He wasn't that bad. He was playing against Berbatov and Rooney at one stage. He doesn't have a lot of pace and does give the ball away at the wrong moment. But he could have done a lot worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo86 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 he dives in too much, is very slow and i think most championship attackers would have made him look bad let alone berbatov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If the strikers and midfielders were pressing properly further up the pitch then we might have stood a chance. Patterson and McGoldrick (most of the time) just walking around on their own, so Surman had to do their job for them which left Gillett who isn't exactly hard to hit a long ball over. Considering what was thrown at them I thought Perry and Lancashire were excellent even though Olly got beaten for pace to many time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I thought Lancashire was fine today. Not as good as their attackers but wasn't embarassed and won a lot of headers, got some blocks in, just like the rest of the back 4. Under constant pressure, but all showed fight. Slagging off one off our 2 remaining central defenders will get us nowhere. Agreed not fair to slag off Lancashire what about the super off the field team which have allowed us to get into the position where we have 2 centre defenders but 23 useless or injured mid field players and NO FORWARDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Like many of our young players he could do with a few months on loan at a lower division side, get some experience and make the mistakes at the expense of loan club - unfortunately the Championship is not a good place to learn your trade (or against Man Utd!) and certainly not when there are 6 or 7 other players in the team and therefore the same situation - hopelessly exposed time after time today and Utd never really needed to go up a gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I thought Lancashire was fine today. Not as good as their attackers but wasn't embarassed and won a lot of headers, got some blocks in, just like the rest of the back 4. Under constant pressure, but all showed fight. Slagging off one off our 2 remaining central defenders will get us nowhere. Neither will praising them for sheeite performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Lancashire was awful. For example ball flies across our goalmouth in the second half he comes in instead of clearing heads it back across the danger area. United rang rings around us. Lloyd James was turned so many times he didnot know which way was up. Perry got in a few good blocks, Skacel was average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Agree. If there's a position where lack of experience will cost you, its CB. He's a youngster still learning. In time he'll be fine. Oh, okay. How much time should we give him then? You know, seeing as he is one of only 2 fit CBs our management have left us with and given the fact we are 23rd in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The kid is out of his depth. I suggest that if we were in a better position, he would be being blooded at full-back, but as we are suffering from a small squad, he's in before he should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I thought Lancashire was fine today. Not as good as their attackers but wasn't embarassed and won a lot of headers, got some blocks in, just like the rest of the back 4. Under constant pressure, but all showed fight. Slagging off one off our 2 remaining central defenders will get us nowhere. No, but how about going to the game to support the team? Afterall staying in and watching on the telly (if you did) will get us nowhere fast either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Oh, okay. How much time should we give him then? You know, seeing as he is one of only 2 fit CBs our management have left us with and given the fact we are 23rd in the league? It's not his fault he's playing now is it? Apparently we are looking to strengthen at CB so he will, hopefully, get the time he needs. I'd rather support him than slag him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 No, but how about going to the game to support the team? Afterall staying in and watching on the telly (if you did) will get us nowhere fast either. Glad i didnt go. Woulda been a total waste of my hard earned cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Glad i didnt go. Woulda been a total waste of my hard earned cash Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 It's not his fault he's playing now is it? Apparently we are looking to strengthen at CB so he will, hopefully, get the time he needs. I'd rather support him than slag him. No it's not his fault he is playing (except that he could have twisted his ankle getting out of the bath this morning or dropped something on his toe, etc ;-)). So, whose fault is it? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He is out of his depth......just like the guy who picks him ! Quite frankly he is of a standard that he should be playing for Salisbury or Weymouth in the Conference. If he is this slow at his age what the hell will he be like at 30 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He is a young inexperienced player, like many others. The club is asking to much of them and they are out of their depth. I'm pretty sure that confidence is shattered and all the good work of the academy is being decimated. I only hope that our youngsters survive this season as many of their careers could be ruined. I actually fel sorry for the youngsters as there is nothing worse than feeling helpless to change things and gettting a constant barrage of criticism. RL should do something about this but the club are on the verge of bankruptcy. As fans we must all pull together because things are going to get worse and our youngsters are going to have to try and avoid us going int League 2 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He is a young inexperienced player, like many others. The club is asking to much of them and they are out of their depth. I'm pretty sure that confidence is shattered and all the good work of the academy is being decimated. I only hope that our youngsters survive this season as many of their careers could be ruined. I actually fel sorry for the youngsters as there is nothing worse than feeling helpless to change things and gettting a constant barrage of criticism. RL should do something about this but the club are on the verge of bankruptcy. As fans we must all pull together because things are going to get worse and our youngsters are going to have to try and avoid us going int League 2 next season. Hallelujah. You see, when you don't mention Hoddle you can make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Hallelujah. You see, when you don't mention Hoddle you can make sense. Most people know my view on the hoddle saga, however, in the next few weeks the true plight of SFC will become apparent. This is the time for us to put aside our differences, to close ranks and fight for our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Have to say that he is young inexperienced & been drafted into a shocking defence. Its not surprising that he is being found out. if he had come into a team with a strong defence then he just may not look so bad. The trouble is he is covering James half the time & being dragged out of position. Now don't think I'm blaming James as I think he would be a very good Right sided midfielder (being played out of position). It all comes down to the coach & not having the correct personnel. A decent right back with James in front of him & we just may have the beginnings of a defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He is out of his depth......just like the guy who picks him ! Quite frankly he is of a standard that he should be playing for Salisbury or Weymouth in the Conference. If he is this slow at his age what the hell will he be like at 30 ? Have to agree.....4th time I've seen him through Sky and Sentanta - poor player; out of his depth. Davis, Perry, Skacel only three of worth today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englesaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry to pick on a young lad but he was horrible . . pretty much as every time I've seen him to be honest. However, it's not his fault - it's just simply too early for him. He simply should not be put in this position yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Looked like a rabbit stuck in the headlights today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I think some need to lay off the lad in truth. He's a young defender who's been thrown it at the deep end. People need to realise we were playing United today, and asking Olly to mark Berbatov is bound to be a massive test for him. I actually think Olly did pretty well today, making some decent block tackles and winning headers more often than not. Yes, he is far from the finished article, and yes, he isn't the quickest CB, but he has potential and can only get better. He will learn from today, improve as a player and be better off for it. I long for the day when fans actually support their own players again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 As with most of the players, merely inexperienced. I honestly think he has a lot of potential in Lancashire, and he has showed glimpses of it. Let's not forget he was playing up against Berbatov and Welbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I think some need to lay off the lad in truth. He's a young defender who's been thrown it at the deep end. People need to realise we were playing United today, and asking Olly to mark Berbatov is bound to be a massive test for him. I actually think Olly did pretty well today, making some decent block tackles and winning headers more often than not. Yes, he is far from the finished article, and yes, he isn't the quickest CB, but he has potential and can only get better. He will learn from today, improve as a player and be better off for it. I long for the day when fans actually support their own players again! Thank f*ck i'm not the only one. Defensively I thought Perry and Lancashire did very well, always forcing Berbatov and Welbeck wide where they couldn't do anything except cut back (at which point Skacel and James should be covering, which is what we truely lacked IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 he isnt as slow as most people think, having played against him he is fairly quick across the ground. The thing that i think makes him appear slow is his turning speed, his agility is not quite there, but with intense training he should improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 Bit unfair to pick on one player IMO. Holloway on 5 live summed up our defensive problems when he said our youngsters didn't have a clue on how to mark players and defend at set pieces. This should be addressed by the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 His positioning isnt the best but he made some good tackles, very unfair to write him off after a bad game against Man U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 Agree. If there's a position where lack of experience will cost you, its CB. He's a youngster still learning. In time he'll be fine. In whose time ? SFC cannot wait for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 As with most of the players, merely inexperienced. I honestly think he has a lot of potential in Lancashire, and he has showed glimpses of it. Let's not forget he was playing up against Berbatov and Welbeck. I too thought he did OK - certainly not badly enough to warrant the slating on here. I fear, judging from the comments post match, that many fans have quite unrealistic expectations given our current circumstances. I thought that the Man U team radiated class in away that not many teams I have ever seen at St Mary's showed. Perhaps Arsenal 5 seasons ago but no others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mini_me Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 He is just a kid, who has had a shocking start to his footballing career. We all know he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team and to keep playing him isn't the answer and probably means he will be playing for Eastliegh in 3 seasons time. However you can't blame him for that, he doesn't pick the team or the club strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I don't think Olly did too badly yesterday. Don't forget that he's a 19 year old lad who's being expected to keep world class strikers like Berbatov and Rooney (for a lesser amount of time) at bay. He'll be a very good player for us when he gets a bit more experience I feel. He probably could do with a loan spell at a lower league club, but we only really have him and Perry that can play at CB. Him and Perry seem to work well together and I think he should be given a chance to prove himself some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I asked the following on another thread a week or so ago: "Can anyone provide a breakdown of our league results this season with/without Ollie in the side?" but didn't get a reply. My reason for asking is that I don't think he's been involved in many (if any) of our (slightly) better performances this season. (e.g. Reading, Derby, Norwich.) Anyone got the facts and figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbSaint Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 He was shocking. Lead weights in his boots? With the amount of chances they created and times they were attempting through balls anyone would have made a 'few interceptions' He is awful i agree he is a pathetic footballer at any level week in week out he makes mistakes that cost us goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbSaint Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I don't think Olly did too badly yesterday. Don't forget that he's a 19 year old lad who's being expected to keep world class strikers like Berbatov and Rooney (for a lesser amount of time) at bay. He'll be a very good player for us when he gets a bit more experience I feel. He probably could do with a loan spell at a lower league club, but we only really have him and Perry that can play at CB. Him and Perry seem to work well together and I think he should be given a chance to prove himself some more. he,ll be in a lower league next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 James, slow, terrible in the air Perry, slow, drops too deep to make up for his lack of pace keeping all and sundry onside. Lancashire, lightweight in the air, ballwatches, erratic Skacel, slow, lazy, doesn't cover round and switches off that is why we are second bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 James, slow, terrible in the air Perry, slow, drops too deep to make up for his lack of pace keeping all and sundry onside. Lancashire, lightweight in the air, ballwatches, erratic Skacel, slow, lazy, doesn't cover round and switches off that is why we are second bottom. And yet if you read the papers today the majority have Perry vying with Davis for being our best player, Lancashire got between 5 and 7/10 the only one that you're in agreement with the press is Skacel, funny old game ain't it:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 And yet if you read the papers today the majority have Perry vying with Davis for being our best player, Lancashire got between 5 and 7/10 the only one that you're in agreement with the press is Skacel, funny old game ain't it:rolleyes: Perry had a decent game, but I'm talking about the entire season. However even yesterday we dropped too deep as we lack pace at the back and of course Manure have pace to burn. who made the press experts anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I asked the following on another thread a week or so ago: "Can anyone provide a breakdown of our league results this season with/without Ollie in the side?" but didn't get a reply. My reason for asking is that I don't think he's been involved in many (if any) of our (slightly) better performances this season. (e.g. Reading, Derby, Norwich.) Anyone got the facts and figures? If my memory serves me correctly, Olly played in both our wins against Donny and Norwich, keeping clean sheets on both occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 And Preston. 10 points from the 10 games he's played in and two of those where on TV so they don't really count . . . http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=49656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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