eddie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 To paraphrase. van Gaal / Man U treat the players badly but pay them so much money they dont care. yes, but that being paid a lot and being a higher profile individual is not a guarantee of playing at all. It never has been, but definitely moreso under van gaal's reign. Valdes, depay, di maria etc. Generously paid but treated like dross. Doesn't matter who you were before you came if you don't work hard and fit into his system and deliver results, you won't get game time. Makes me wonder why on earth he's stuck with rooney. in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I have the same feeling. BUT his agent will get richer by convincing him that he'll become a millionaire overnight..and eventually he'll go. In the present market, and with MU throwing around money like a man with six arms ...we should be around £40 million the richer....(or should it be £50 million?) I'm fairly sure that Les and Ronald will take an extra peep at the Black Box and come up with a cut-price replacement, and the rest will, cover our loss on the Gaston / Osvaldo deals . Yep those are the biggest issue facing football still - agents and players obscene wages forcing players into teams they have no real right to play for and end up lost and useless. A classic example against Villa the other week with Sinclair. Mane has talent and would love him to stay here and become a real star but think his agent will see the mega £'s and another player will fail in Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 (edited) like. Anyone would think we all get a share of the bloody money. On another note, you seriously don't think Mane is world class do you? I understand some on here thought that 'whathisname' that was on loan last season was world class, which was frankly a joke, and though clearly Mane is so much better than him, world class? World Class = being able to get in any team in the world, club and country. Hard pressed to think of any playing in this country presently tbh, maybe the Chelsea keeper Cortoius (i know that is the wrong spelling), Courtinio perhaps (but needs to show a bit more), struggling really, Steven Davis anyone? de bruyne, zabaleta, cech, schneiderlin, agureo, silva, willian, ozil, lloris, schweingstiger (maybe not so much this season) pedro, sanchez, ivanovich (also not this season...) ? off the top of my head not sure who I'd class as a world class CB. kompany maybe? terry? I realise this is very man city focused list. unintended and apologies. I don't think its entirely laughable that alderweireld isn't nearing that level though. He just hasn't been tested enough. But he did well for AM, well for saints and very good for a shaky tottenham back line. I'm not pushing it too strongly, but he's not far off being a very very good player. awaiting the coming storm of 'being shot down' Edited 10 November, 2015 by eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I don't really like the term world class, it's thrown around so easily. This is just my opinion, but players who I class as world class are those who have experienced success at all levels. Domestic, European, International World Cups/Euro's. Ronaldo, Messi, Ozil, Schewinstiger, Lahm, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinhio, Kaka, Rivaldo, Beckham, Muller, Henry, Viera, Nedved, Cannavaro, Pirlo - This is just off the top of my head and I've probably missed some obvious, but those players have the attributes of what i'd consider world class. De Bruyne, Zabaleta, Cech, Morgan, Willian, Lloris aren't there. They're in the group below in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Let's not mess around. Ask for £30m + Depay. So, this could result in a big Depay day for us, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I don't really like the term world class, it's thrown around so easily. This is just my opinion, but players who I class as world class are those who have experienced success at all levels. Domestic, European, International World Cups/Euro's. Ronaldo, Messi, Ozil, Schewinstiger, Lahm, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinhio, Kaka, Rivaldo, Beckham, Muller, Henry, Viera, Nedved, Cannavaro, Pirlo - This is just off the top of my head and I've probably missed some obvious, but those players have the attributes of what i'd consider world class. De Bruyne, Zabaleta, Cech, Morgan, Willian, Lloris aren't there. They're in the group below in my opinion. I'd add Zlatan as well to that group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I don't really like the term world class, it's thrown around so easily. This is just my opinion, but players who I class as world class are those who have experienced success at all levels. Domestic, European, International World Cups/Euro's. Ronaldo, Messi, Ozil, Schewinstiger, Lahm, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldinhio, Kaka, Rivaldo, Beckham, Muller, Henry, Viera, Nedved, Cannavaro, Pirlo - This is just off the top of my head and I've probably missed some obvious, but those players have the attributes of what i'd consider world class. De Bruyne, Zabaleta, Cech, Morgan, Willian, Lloris aren't there. They're in the group below in my opinion. fair. cech I'd root for, trouble is that czech republic aren't exactly world cup winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 So, this could result in a big Depay day for us, then? I wonder whether he'd pass the character profiling. been a bit in the news recently about him being a bit of a bell end when it comes to national team, and his attitude at utd wasn't great. may just be rumours, but you certainly don't want someone who thinks they're the knees of the bee and whose attitude isn't the best for the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I'd add Zlatan as well to that group. on his criteria, no, because Sweden havent won anything. I dont think its about winning something at every level otherwise are we saying George Best wasnt world class, or Gareth Bale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I wonder whether he'd pass the character profiling. been a bit in the news recently about him being a bit of a bell end when it comes to national team, and his attitude at utd wasn't great. may just be rumours, but you certainly don't want someone who thinks they're the knees of the bee and whose attitude isn't the best for the team http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/585922/Southampton-Ronald-Koeman-blasts-Memphis-Depay-Manchester-United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/585922/Southampton-Ronald-Koeman-blasts-Memphis-Depay-Manchester-United very very interesting. great find , thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 (edited) Yep those are the biggest issue facing football still - agents and players obscene wages forcing players into teams they have no real right to play for and end up lost and useless. A classic example against Villa the other week with Sinclair. Mane has talent and would love him to stay here and become a real star but think his agent will see the mega £'s and another player will fail in Manchester Interesting to consider the progress / decline of some of our former players in their new teams. Many clubs seem to think they solve problems by buying in a top talent, who already has a reputation, and expecting him to become the "missing piece of the jigsaw". Clearly that doesn't work. The entire Torres / Carroll fiasco deals must have proven that. Di Maria was pitiful at MU and some of LvG's new stars aren't shining so much. I really expected Lambert and Lallana to excel at Liverpool, but Rodgers clearly didn't seem them as a partnership, and rarely played them together. Result disaster. Saints' succes is built on the whole team as a unit and playing to our strengths, which was the L&L partnership for several seasons. We used it to good effect. We all joke over the poster who likened Mane to Ali Dia a year ago, but Mane learned quickly and found his success role, hence his popularity with MU (if true). In time, there will come an offer that neither Mane (nor, I suspect...SFC ) cannot refuse, and he'll go.....having been a great success - in our set-up. He will move - for a club record fee...but unless he's very fortunate will disappear into the huge MU squad - and end up on the bench - if he fails to score after 3-4 games. On the face of it, it's a win-win situation for him....and Saints. But it may be that he is the "loser". He'll become a rich and very talented footballer on the MU bench. Edited 10 November, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 on his criteria, no, because Sweden havent won anything. I dont think its about winning something at every level otherwise are we saying George Best wasnt world class, or Gareth Bale? Ronaldo is on the list but Portugal haven't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I really expected Lambert and Lallana to excel at Liverpool, but Rodgers clearly didn't seem them as a partnership, and rarely played them together. Result disaster. Did you? I was fairly sure from the start that Lambert was rarely getting off the bench, and Lallana was going to be a more frequent than not starter who only lasted an hour in games and was eventually overlooked for some artisan as he's not as good as Coutinho. Klopp seems to like him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 If, and it is only an if, what I was told yesterday is true then we will get in Jan' what we would all consider top end of what we'd settle for in the summer! I'll hopefully find out more tomorrow evening. I'd hope that if he does go we don't delve into the market for a replacement until the summer. £40m or so? Interesting. Replacement is hard as you wouldnt want to let another good season fizzle out, but equally don't want to waste money. Thats why we should hold off until the summer whatever happens and then can recruit quality to replace quality. For those saying Mane's first touch isn't good enough for United...I don't think they want him for that. They want his threat, pace, movement, balance, versatility, potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 £40m or so? Interesting. Replacement is hard as you wouldnt want to let another good season fizzle out, but equally don't want to waste money. Thats why we should hold off until the summer whatever happens and then can recruit quality to replace quality. For those saying Mane's first touch isn't good enough for United...I don't think they want him for that. They want his threat, pace, movement, balance, versatility, potential. The only way I could see us selling in Jan is if we already had a replacement in place ready to transfer in on the 1st of Jan. To be honest considering how adamant Koeman was about keeping Mane in the summer I'd be surprised if he was happy to see him leave four months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 A£40m or so? Interesting. Replacement is hard as you wouldnt want to let another good season fizzle out, but equally don't want to waste money. Thats why we should hold off until the summer whatever happens and then can recruit quality to replace quality. For those saying Mane's first touch isn't good enough are talking out of their arse...I don't think they want him for that. They want his threat, pace, movement, balance, versatility, potential. Edited..the only time Manes control is not superb is when he's thinking too far ahead of himself...certainly better than Rooneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I heard Utd were in for Mahrez from Leicester. Would they go for both Mahrez and Mane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 You can't judge on one game alone of course, and Mane has had other great games too, but if United were interested in the summer, watching him against Chelsea would have absolutely confirmed to them that he could do a job. Whatever form Chelsea are in, it was still the team that won the league last year and he completely destroyed them. For what it's worth, I can't see it happening in January - if they are willing to pay £40m for him in Jan, i see no reason why they wouldnt be willing to do the same in the summer when it suits us. Wouldnt be surprised if a deal was struck well before the summer though, and we're presumably already on the case for a replacement. Just hugely frustrating that we won't see him in a Saints shirt next season as he continues to improve. He really is an outstanding (but certainly not world class) player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 You can't judge on one game alone of course, and Mane has had other great games too, but if United were interested in the summer, watching him against Chelsea would have absolutely confirmed to them that he could do a job. Whatever form Chelsea are in, it was still the team that won the league last year and he completely destroyed them. For what it's worth, I can't see it happening in January - if they are willing to pay £40m for him in Jan, i see no reason why they wouldnt be willing to do the same in the summer when it suits us. Wouldnt be surprised if a deal was struck well before the summer though, and we're presumably already on the case for a replacement. Just hugely frustrating that we won't see him in a Saints shirt next season as he continues to improve. He really is an outstanding (but certainly not world class) player He destroyed them last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I heard Utd were in for Mahrez from Leicester. Would they go for both Mahrez and Mane? And Ayoze Perez from Newcastle as well apparently http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11984184/Manchester-United-consider-January-move-for-Newcastle-striker-Ayoze-Perez.html Manchester United are interested in signing Newcastle United striker Ayoze Perez and could bid for the Spaniard in January. Perez is also being watched by the likes of Tottenham and Arsenal, but United are thought to be keenest on the 22-year-old and have been monitoring his progress since he joined Newcastle from Tenerife last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 If, and it is only an if, what I was told yesterday is true then we will get in Jan' what we would all consider top end of what we'd settle for in the summer! I'll hopefully find out more tomorrow evening. I'd hope that if he does go we don't delve into the market for a replacement until the summer. Why? Because it is important that we play with a much weakened side for the second half of the season. Perhaps a brief (or long) flirtation with relegation would make the season more interesting for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Well done for telling everyone the areas players live in during international week guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 It's that time of the year again I see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 It's that time of the year again I see! Don't you just love it eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 It's that time of the year again I see! Seems the transfer talk always ramps up once the international break comes along, or have I imagined that? As for Man U. The money they've spent since Fergie departed is nauseating, yet they still need more players! Their transfer policy seems to consist of throwing money around left right and centre with no actual plan. How wonderful that money doesn't seem to matter to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 10 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Mane lives on a road off of chilbolton avenue in winchester. Just rented accommodation, so if he's on the move its probably to buy a house somewhere closer to the training ground. He's always late. Hopefully its that. So basically without going into too much detail and dropping someone in the **** a friend of mine works for a company that carries out routine contract work at Manes house. This person knows nothing about football, all they know is that they work at the house of a Saints player in Winchester. Thats why I asked where Mane lives. Yesterday the company was told the contract was not being renewed after January as the 'client' was moving. Apparently the boss then called the agent to ask for more clarification, and to ask why they couldn't carry on at his new address as they cover the whole of the south, the agent wouldn't say too much but the word Manchester was mentioned. I would have posted this earlier but I was at work and I'm buggered if I'm typing that lot out on a phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lewis Dave Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Anyone know whether Sadio has any pets? Heard a rumour he wants to get a dog to be mates with Juanmi's dog (Gala) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 who gives a **** where mane lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 who gives a **** where mane lives I don't, unless the address happens to be in Manchester come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Let's not mess around. Ask for £30m + Depay. Maybe Januzaj as a more realistic makeweight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Maybe Januzaj as a more realistic makeweight? Not getting much of a look in at Dortmund. Weird loan from Utd perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Well done for telling everyone the areas players live in during international week guys. Hardly a state secret if loads of saints fans already know do you think it would take a criminal long to work it out? It's common knowledge in Winchester where the saints player live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Anyone know whether Sadio has any pets? Heard a rumour he wants to get a dog to be mates with Juanmi's dog (Gala) It's a shame Corky is in South Wales now, as I'm sure Gala would get on well with Alfie (Portuguese Water Dog). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 He lives in Woolston http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/13878590.Saints_star_stops_traffic___after_forgetting_money_for_toll_bridge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 How much will be get for him? I reckon 34 million and I reckon it'll happen in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Anybody know where Gareth Bale lives . I gave heard a rumour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 It's a shame Corky is in South Wales now, as I'm sure Gala would get on well with Alfie (Portuguese Water Dog). I think this should be a new thread. Matchmaking ex- and current Saints' dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Hardly a state secret if loads of saints fans already know do you think it would take a criminal long to work it out? It's common knowledge in Winchester where the saints player live. Nibble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 He lives in Woolston http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/13878590.Saints_star_stops_traffic___after_forgetting_money_for_toll_bridge/ Hell of an assumption that he lives in Woolston because he happened to go across the bridge after a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 (edited) Sadio, Stephen Davis, Graziano, Gardos and Big Vic , plus Sammy Lee all can often be spotted around Winchester city, along with Adkins , Oakley etc etc . Edited 10 November, 2015 by Kingsland Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Hopefully its that. So basically without going into too much detail and dropping someone in the **** a friend of mine works for a company that carries out routine contract work at Manes house. This person knows nothing about football, all they know is that they work at the house of a Saints player in Winchester. Thats why I asked where Mane lives. Yesterday the company was told the contract was not being renewed after January as the 'client' was moving. Apparently the boss then called the agent to ask for more clarification, and to ask why they couldn't carry on at his new address as they cover the whole of the south, the agent wouldn't say too much but the word Manchester was mentioned. I would have posted this earlier but I was at work and I'm buggered if I'm typing that lot out on a phone... Right up there with the postman who was delivering mail to Vialli in Ocean Village. Mane lives in Woolston, above the Thai massage parlour in Bridge Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Sadio, Pelle, Stephen Davis, Graziano and Big Vic , plus Sammy Lee all can often be spotted around Winchester city, along with Adkins , Oakley etc etc . I'm wandering around Winchester a couple of times a day a few times a week and my Saints sightings over the past 4 years have been confined to Le Tiss and Van Dijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lewis Dave Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I really miss Freya putting snaps of Corky and Alfs on Instagram. Jay Rod's pics with Vera & Morrissey arent quite of the same calibre - still quality pets though. Does anyone remember the name of Lallana's dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 I really miss Freya putting snaps of Corky and Alfs on Instagram. Jay Rod's pics with Vera & Morrissey arent quite of the same calibre - still quality pets though. Does anyone remember the name of Lallana's dog? Was it Brendan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 like. Anyone would think we all get a share of the bloody money. On another note, you seriously don't think Mane is world class do you? I understand some on here thought that 'whathisname' that was on loan last season was world class, which was frankly a joke, and though clearly Mane is so much better than him, world class? World Class = being able to get in any team in the world, club and country. Hard pressed to think of any playing in this country presently tbh, maybe the Chelsea keeper Cortoius (i know that is the wrong spelling), Courtinio perhaps (but needs to show a bit more), struggling really, Steven Davis anyone? Not really, no..... Maybe in the future. Just a bit of artistic licence on my part of to get my point across, afterall I thought we all went to football to watch good players, not to marvel at the amount of money the club get as another player I enjoy watching walks out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 On another note, you seriously don't think Mane is world class do you? I understand some on here thought that 'whathisname' that was on loan last season was world class, which was frankly a joke, and though clearly Mane is so much better than him, world class? World Class = being able to get in any team in the world, club and country. /QUOTE] Oh good Lord, Noodles, give it a rest - it was me that said it, not "some on here" and you know it. And I said "potential world class" which is a big difference. And I got it wrong about Eljero, and I'm not afraid to say it. The potential world class comment was connected to the level he had played at before - what can I say, I had high hopes. I also stuck up for Mane in the early days when everyone else was sl*gging him off, and the reason I liked him was because he looked so unconventionally crieative when he played, even though he clearly needed time to settle in. I'd say he has lots of potential to be world class even if your definition differs to mine. And frankly, I'm quite happy being the optimist that I am whether I get it right or wrong in the future. Now you go and polish your d*ck in the mirror and tell yourself what a clever boy you are if it makes you feel better!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Weird thread, bit of I Know something you don't know attention seeking ITK crap, but disappearing when people start asking him to spill the beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 10 November, 2015 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Weird thread, bit of I Know something you don't know attention seeking ITK crap, but disappearing when people start asking him to spill the beans. Apart from the bit where I did 'spill the beans', a few posts further up the page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Sadio holidays in Afmanestan! Bomb tish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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