RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Match stats from today say a lot. Shows we got forwarded and created a couple of chances and had a couple of shots on goal. But also shows how seriously outclassed we were with only 33% possession! Also proves how terrible we are defensively as we allowed them 13 shots on target! Southampton Team Statistics Manchester United 0 Goals 3 0 1st Half Goals 1 2 Shots on Target 13 3 Shots off Target 9 1 Blocked Shots 7 0 Corners 12 16 Fouls 10 2 Offsides 3 2 Yellow Cards 2 1 Red Cards 0 71.3 Passing Success 83 15 Tackles 12 73.3 Tackles Success 75 33.4 Possession 66.6 49.1 Territorial Advantage 50.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 A tad dramatic. Maybe, but he jumped up with his arm stretch above his head. Looked like he was trying to recreate the Hand of God. I thought standard practice in a wall was to have both hands protecting the wedding vegetables. One second DMG is doing this, the next he is doing Saturday Night Fever. I can't see how this could happen if he didn't deliberately move his arm towards the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Well that's out of the way. We were NEVER going to win this. Let's face it. Riley has never done us any favours. Manure have some of the best players IN THE WORLD and it certainly showed today. What do we have? A Chairman who hasn't the slightest idea about how to run a Football Club, a manager who would just about reach his proper level in the Conference South and a team of 'Players?' who have no experience, no idea what those white posts are for and, as this match has shown, McG and Patt will never get us us out othe mess we are in as they don't know what to do when they are within striking distance of the goal.ffs we DIDN'T have one shot on target. LOWE OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Match stats from today say a lot. Shows we got forwarded and created a couple of chances and had a couple of shots on goal. But also shows how seriously outclassed we were with only 33% possession! Also proves how terrible we are defensively as we allowed them 13 shots on target! Southampton Team Statistics Manchester United 0 Goals 3 0 1st Half Goals 1 2 Shots on Target 13 3 Shots off Target 9 1 Blocked Shots 7 0 Corners 12 16 Fouls 10 2 Offsides 3 2 Yellow Cards 2 1 Red Cards 0 71.3 Passing Success 83 15 Tackles 12 73.3 Tackles Success 75 33.4 Possession 66.6 49.1 Territorial Advantage 50.9 5 attempts on goal in a home match = relelgation quicker than you can say "madcap lunatic revolutionary coaching setup". Five. 3 of them wide. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 1) Riley's a **** 2) Man Utd are quite good but 3) we were really poor - no pattern, no passing, no passion 4) playing one up front at home doesn't work 5) without kelvin and chris perry it could have been a cricket score and 6) I thought morgan showed more class when he came on than most of the rest of the team put together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Maybe, but he jumped up with his arm stretch above his head. Looked like he was trying to recreate the Hand of God. I thought standard practice in a wall was to have both hands protecting the wedding vegetables. One second DMG is doing this, the next he is doing Saturday Night Fever. I can't see how this could happen if he didn't deliberately move his arm towards the ball. He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 rupert's just on the phone to jan by the sound of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at. is he now a giraffe..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I know I shouldn't be surprised, but how the hell are some of you, and the usual ones to be fair, using a defeat by Manchester United as further evidence of any problems??!! It's ridiculous. They're much better than us. If that surprises anyone then I recommend another sport. I take it from your ill-informed comments that you weren't actually watching the game . manure barely tried and we had only ONE REAL chance all game, when Smith put the ball about 3 metres wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 But we looked pathetic Men against boys. We are 2nd from bottom in the Championship and they are the reigning European champions. Without wanting to insult you, if you were expecting more than what we gave today you are deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at. Don't be a **** Benjji, his elbow was a far above his head as it could be without his arm coming off. It was a penalty, a stupid one but a penalty nevertheless.Same as it was a red card. 2 feet off the ground including 1 towards the player=Red Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Men against boys. We are 2nd from bottom in the Championship and they are the reigning European champions. Without wanting to insult you, if you were expecting more than what we gave today you are deluded. i at least expect them to play with some fight, spirit and character. None of which was on show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sir Alex Ferguson being very nice about how we go about business. About us being a good set of young lads. Is now the time to get some of his boys in on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Well, first things first, they deserved to win. No disputes about that I'm sure everyone will agree. And whilst we were poor what's so frustrating is to lose in that manner. I mean, they got an offside goal and a shocking decision. It's not like United need this sort of luck is it ? That really ****es me off to be honest. Don't get me wrong, they probably would have scored other goals anyway but it's just the way the game was lost almost out of our control. We showed slightly more passion than normal, but nowhere near what I saw from Gillingham earlier - if the lads can't get up for these games, what will they get up for ? It's also frustrating that there was literally nothing to cheer for once again, just something would have been nice. But all in all it could have been a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sir Alex Ferguson being very nice about how we go about business. About us being a good set of young lads. Is now the time to get some of his boys in on loan? would take Welbeck and Possebon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 5 attempts on goal in a home match = relelgation quicker than you can say "madcap lunatic revolutionary coaching setup". Five. 3 of them wide. Pathetic. Come on, be fair. With 10 men, one striker and 7 youth team players playing against a Man Utd team that's not far off full strength, that's pretty damn good. If two seasons ago we put our reserve team against the same Utd team you'd have been saying how well they did to achieve this. It's sad but it seems that nobody can give Saints any credit for anything any more. That's not what football is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sir Alex Ferguson being very nice about how we go about business. About us being a good set of young lads. Is now the time to get some of his boys in on loan? Rio Ferdinand, Vidic, Ronaldo and Tevez please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at. Think we can agree on the last statement if nothing else. It p*sses me off that some people are using poor ref decisions and a good Utd side to excuse a VERY poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Don't be a **** Benjji, his elbow was a far above his head as it could be without his arm coming off. It was a penalty, a stupid one but a penalty nevertheless.Same as it was a red card. 2 feet off the ground including 1 towards the player=Red Card. 2 feet off the ground? Get yourself down to specsavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not On My Watch Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 There is so much negativity around here! I understand why but let's face facts. We were playing against one of the top 5 teams in the world and we have no money whereas Berbatov cost almost 10 times more than our whole team. We started, due to injuries, without Schneiderlin and Holmes, two of our most impressive outfield performers. Both of our fullbacks are attacking midfielders which especially shown with the space left behind Skacel. I do think that James is quickly improving though. Fair enough he may have struggled at times against Nani but he was isolated and look at how Nicky Shorey struggled for Villa today against a League 2 player. Gillett was decent enough and despite popular opinion I think that if McGoldrick can get all parts of his game going then he is comfortably a championship player. Smith looked like he may create something. I thought McLaggon looks a real prospect, being strong, quick and not without skill. I was only disappointed with Lancashire (clearly not ready yet) and Surman (still injured or just off game?). Patterson made a stupid mistake and was rightly punished. If only we can survive this year then I can't help but feel that we will start to slowly work our way up this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 2 feet off the ground? Get yourself down to specsavers. so...are you going to say he did NOT have both feet of the ground then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Think we can agree on the last statement if nothing else. It p*sses me off that some people are using poor ref decisions and a good Utd side to excuse a VERY poor performance. I agree with you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 so...are you going to say he did NOT have both feet of the ground then? 2 off the ground, but the challenge was not 2 footed. I shall clarify to stop any further pedantic behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Don't be a **** Benjji, his elbow was a far above his head as it could be without his arm coming off. It was a penalty, a stupid one but a penalty nevertheless.Same as it was a red card. 2 feet off the ground including 1 towards the player=Red Card. It didn't touch his arm. An important element of the handball offence IMO. Also, I don't know about you, but the elbow is where my arm bends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 2 feet off the ground? Get yourself down to specsavers. It was clear he had two feet off the ground. It wasn't a two-footed challenge, in that only one foot made contact, but it was a two footed lunge that resulted in the full length of his boot going into the shin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 We showed slightly more passion than normal, but nowhere near what I saw from Gillingham earlier - if the lads can't get up for these games, what will they get up for ? This is the most frustrating thing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Come on, be fair. With 10 men, one striker and 7 youth team players playing against a Man Utd team that's not far off full strength, that's pretty damn good. If two seasons ago we put our reserve team against the same Utd team you'd have been saying how well they did to achieve this. It's sad but it seems that nobody can give Saints any credit for anything any more. That's not what football is about. Unbelievable attitude IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 It was clear he had two feet off the ground. It wasn't a two-footed challenge, in that only one foot made contact, but it was a two footed lunge that resulted in the full length of his boot going into the shin. It wasn't a two-footed lunge. Get your eyes seen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Glad that's over, useful that Riley can take some of the blame. Red card local commentary on tv say very hard, yes his studs were up when he went in BUT he touched the ball away AND turned his ankle & studs away before he made any contact, naive and stupid and not gonna win an apeeal but. Perry tackle of the season early on, KD superb, Lancashire not as bad as I feared but, and James got credit on telly for giving Nani a hard time. For the first 12 minutes we passed the ball around and probably had about 55% possession, then they decided to play and that was that. Laughable defending at the corner, Schneiderlin at least looked like a footballer when he came on, McLaggon is not a centre forward. Summary KD man of the match, not as embarrassing as previous tv games but no, this style of football is not going to do it. Losing Patterson anyone could see we would never outpass them and only hoofball and hope would get anything going. Glad I didn't pay 185 quid for a ticket. Did any Man U player actually break sweat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Unbelievable attitude IMO. How many chances on goal would you say a 10 man team playing the European champions have to get before it deserves any sort of credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 It wasn't a two-footed lunge. Get your eyes seen to. Two feet left the ground. Both left the ground and travelled through the air before getting to the player and making contact part the way up his leg. What do you call it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Only what I expected to be frank but the worrying thing is as they have just said on Satanta that we seemed to go down with a whimper. now I know we were down to ten men, but I watched Gillingham earlier against Villa & they lost but went down having a right good go at them. It looked like a training ground run out for them. Also Furguson said he didn't want to humiliate the young lads in his interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 how much pace DONTwe have...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not On My Watch Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 How many chances on goal would you say a 10 man team playing the European champions have to get before it deserves any sort of credit? Exactly. Get a grip people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Only what I expected to be frank but the worrying thing is as they have just said on Satanta that we seemed to go down with a whimper. now I know we were down to ten men, but I watched Gillingham earlier against Villa & they lost but went down having a right good go at them. It looked like a training ground run out for them. Also Furguson said he didn't want to humiliate the young lads in his interview. apparently we cant have a right go as they are european champions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Two feet left the ground. Both left the ground and travelled through the air before getting to the player and making contact part the way up his leg. What do you call it? Foot high, took the ball and went through onto the man. 50-50 yellow or red. Not clever and easily could be a red. But a half-decent ref might have taken him to one side, had a blood good talk to him and shown him a yellow - especially in the third round of the FA Cup. And I would have said the same if a United player had done it. The fact so many pundits are debating it ways it was a 50-50. Although Spoony the United fan thinks it was a red - quel surprise... It's football - feet get high sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 apparently we cant have a right go as they are european champions... Have a right go by all means, but at least have a go for the right reasons. Shocking defence. Shocking marking. Shocking positional play from those who should know better (Skacel) No motivation. No determination. No fight. Stupid decision making (jumping with your hand above your head, two footed lunges etc). But it's only fair to give credit where it's due also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Exactly. Get a grip people. can we not expect our players to go out and play with spirit and fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 how much pace DONTwe have...??? We don't and that's the worrying thing. Young lads are too tired and shows our over-reliance on them. Earlier in the season we were so much quicker. Although we irritatingly turn around too much when on the attack!!! Why, who knows??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Right ok, we were playing Man Utd and for most of the game we had 10 men. but Man Utd wont even have to wash their kits, they won the game in 1st gear! Ian Hollaway said on Radio 5 that Saints have no structure or shape to their play and that if we are not carefull the youngsters may be harmed by playing in a team that gets beaten most weeks. John Motson said that he couldn't understand why we left 2 reasonably experienced players on the bench and didn't opt to bring them on ( BWP and Euell ). Earlier on in the day David pleat and Steve Claridge were scathing about Rupert Lowe and believe the club is in trouble with him running it. Before anyone starts having a dig at Claridge, he was complimentary about the fact we were always been a well run club when we were at the Dell and we still have a big fan base, pointing to the that we had 26000 v Notts Forest but overall we are only getting around 14000 as an average crowd as most Saints fans are dissallusioned with how the club is being run. They are both concerned with how much Rupert influences footballing decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Have a right go by all means, but at least have a go for the right reasons. Shocking defence. Shocking marking. Shocking positional play from those who should know better (Skacel) No motivation. No determination. No fight. Stupid decision making (jumping with your hand above your head, two footed lunges etc). But it's only fair to give credit where it's due also. i think that sums up what we are all having a moan for... sure get beaten by good football by a better side...even by 3 or 4..but THAT was worrying...could not even pass in a straight line many times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Although we irritatingly turn around too much when on the attack!!! Why, who knows??!! In my opinion.... confidence and experience. It's knowing what to do when faced with a defender coming at you and having the confidence to do it. We lack this big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Right ok, we were playing Man Utd and for most of the game we had 10 men. but Man Utd wont even have to wash their kits, they won the game in 1st gear! Ian Hollaway said on Radio 5 that Saints have no structure or shape to their play and that if we are not carefull the youngsters may be harmed by playing in a team that gets beaten most weeks. John Motson said that he couldn't understand why we left 2 reasonably experienced players on the bench and didn't opt to bring them on ( BWP and Euell ). Earlier on in the day David pleat and Steve Claridge were scathing about Rupert Lowe and believe the club is in trouble with him running it. Before anyone starts having a dig at Claridge, he was complimentary about the fact we were always been a well run club when we were at the Dell and we still have a big fan base, pointing to the that we had 26000 v Notts Forest but overall we are only getting around 14000 as an average crowd as most Saints fans are dissallusioned with how the club is being run. They are both concerned with how much Rupert influences footballing decisions. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 We don't and that's the worrying thing. Young lads are too tired and shows our over-reliance on them. Earlier in the season we were so much quicker. Although we irritatingly turn around too much when on the attack!!! Why, who knows??!! they should not be tired...the amount of times we change the team (mcgoldrick apart) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Definitely offside first goal, second goal wasn't a penalty. And never a red card in a million years. Riley was always in ManUre's pocket as expected. But this doesn't hide the fact that in 90 minutes we never landed a single blow. We just roll over and accept defeat way too easily. Now that's not too much of a problem today, but we need to buck our ideas up in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I watched Preston play Liverpool yesterday and was very impressed with Preston's performance ,i didn't excpect to win today and am happy it was only three against .... So on we go drudge drudge..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Like Man City are 10 times better than Forest, or Villa are 10 times better than Gillingham, or Stoke are 10 times better than Hartlepool ? Exactly - so if you're going to do anything against the top sides - you have to play well, get your fair share of luck and defend properly. Unfortunately none of those things happened for us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Wow, what a completely gutless show. Man Utd toyed with us today, they didn't need to hammer us, why expend the energy? Patterson was a fool with that tackle, McGoldrick equally thick for raising his arm. It doesn't matter that Welbeck was offsdie and Evans should have been sent off as the last man, we had absolutely nothing. No heart, no answer. Man Utd didn't even have to try to make a game of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 There is so much negativity around here! I understand why but let's face facts. We were playing against one of the top 5 teams in the world and we have no money whereas Berbatov cost almost 10 times more than our whole team. We started, due to injuries, without Schneiderlin and Holmes, two of our most impressive outfield performers. Both of our fullbacks are attacking midfielders which especially shown with the space left behind Skacel. I do think that James is quickly improving though. Fair enough he may have struggled at times against Nani but he was isolated and look at how Nicky Shorey struggled for Villa today against a League 2 player. Gillett was decent enough and despite popular opinion I think that if McGoldrick can get all parts of his game going then he is comfortably a championship player. Smith looked like he may create something. I thought McLaggon looks a real prospect, being strong, quick and not without skill. I was only disappointed with Lancashire (clearly not ready yet) and Surman (still injured or just off game?). Patterson made a stupid mistake and was rightly punished. If only we can survive this year then I can't help but feel that we will start to slowly work our way up this league. Ruperts wasting our money on a PR company again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Just got back.......... pretty poor I thought. Defending was shocking for the first goal and then after that the game was over. We competed but we were no real threat, a bit like an irritating wasp to united and nothing more. It's not the players fault as they are only young, and they're being asked to do a job that they are not yet ready for........there's only one person that you can blame for that. Poortvliet........saw nothing from him on the touchline to make me change my mind, he's still uninspiring and a total waste of time. Gillingham gave Villa a game..........we didn't give United one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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