Batman Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. A fair bit of trouble in London today with students having their say on fees etc. yet the other day, hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area
buctootim Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area I guess they're still tired from trashing Iraq.
Batman Posted 4 November, 2015 Author Posted 4 November, 2015 I guess they're still tired from trashing Iraq. exactly that
Colinjb Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 The left love a good struggle. Best to make it as literal as possible.
sadoldgit Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 Is that the case though? Were "The Left" responsible for the Poll Tax riots for example? A bit of a generalisation there I think. Arranged protests are supposed to be peaceful affairs but you cant legislate for some idiots who pitch up intent on causing trouble. Bit like football matches really. Are all football crowds "Lefties?"
doddisalegend Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. A fair bit of trouble in London today with students having their say on fees etc. yet the other day, hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area I imagine the police were happy I'm sure they'd rather face off with some angry students than a load of angry ex marines.......
Batman Posted 4 November, 2015 Author Posted 4 November, 2015 I imagine the police were happy I'm sure they'd rather face off with some angry students than a load of angry ex marines....... the fault of the police?
sadoldgit Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 It would appear that the students (not Lefties) are saying that the violence was caused by Black Bloc anarchists.
doddisalegend Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 the fault of the police? No I'm just saying if I was a copper dealing with a disturbance at a rally and had the choice of getting into a ruck with this or this I'd choose the former
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 November, 2015 Posted 4 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. A fair bit of trouble in London today with students having their say on fees etc. yet the other day, hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area Self Discipline?
The9 Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 (edited) Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. A fair bit of trouble in London today with students having their say on fees etc. yet the other day, hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area Are you assuming that there are no socially-responsible Marines? Massive generalisation - the only reason "the left" is involved in more disturbances in protesting is because they happen to be the group at odds with pretty much everything the government has stood for since around 1979, and yes I include Blair's lot in that. So there are many more "left" protests than "right" ones to begin with. As far as "violence at protests" goes, there's a need to show strength in numbers to illustrate support for their cause, and I'm fairly sure every peaceful, organised group protesting attracts a pile of hangers on with their own agendas, some of whom are always going to want to have a pop at authority figures. Both far left and far right politics have anti-authority strands which manifest in different ways, but I'd be more worried about the far right paramilitary-wannabes kicking off than the smelly flowers-in-guns types. Edited 5 November, 2015 by The9
aintforever Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. A fair bit of trouble in London today with students having their say on fees etc. yet the other day, hundreds of former Marines with serving forces types had a completely trouble free protest in the same area So are all students left wing now?
View From The Top Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 Black Bloc Anarchists. They do love a row it would appear.
moonraker Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters. Strange comment, are the EDL, BNP etc. full of left leaning protestors. You seem to assume that any protest against right wing policies or actions must be left wing led this simplistic, naïve, and plain ill informed or just a pathetic attempt at political points scoring. The vast majority of protest across the political and civil spectrum are peaceful.
doddisalegend Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 So are all students left wing now? From my experience I'd say the majority of students are apolitical...more interested in beer.
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 Jamie - however much you want a good row, pap ain't coming back. Alas you've made your bed, now you've got to lie in it.
Jonnyboy Posted 5 November, 2015 Posted 5 November, 2015 Wouldn't call the EDL left wing would you? No sh*t shurlock.
BlakeySFC Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 Why does it seem that violence and general thuggery breaks out with more left leaning protesters Yep, you never see any trouble with those lovely chaps from the EDL and BNP when they march do you
Batman Posted 6 November, 2015 Author Posted 6 November, 2015 Anti capitalists have been on the March. Biting police cars and such things.
hutch Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 When I was a student the union regularly put on free buses down to London for a demo. Free day out in London? No brainer. I can't remember what any of the protests were about. Not one.
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 Yep, you never see any trouble with those lovely chaps from the EDL and BNP when they march do you Aren't the two types of trouble different though when the EDL/BNP march the violence is usually between them and people who take offence to their views turning up to shout the right wingers down. When the anti capitalists march the trouble is more about them trying to smash up the establishment (or MacDonalds) and pick fights with police (as the ultimate symbol of the establishment). In other words if the EDL where just left to march and shout their hate in peace (i.e. ignore the bigots) their marches would probably be trouble free. If you ignore the anti capitalists they'll just smash property up anyway as part of the struggle against oppression.
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 Anti capitalists have been on the March. Biting police cars and such things.
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 Aren't the two types of trouble different though when the EDL/BNP march the violence is usually between them and people who take offence to their views turning up to shout the right wingers down. When the anti capitalists march the trouble is more about them trying to smash up the establishment (or MacDonalds) and pick fights with police (as the ultimate symbol of the establishment). In other words if the EDL where just left to march and shout their hate in peace (i.e. ignore the bigots) their marches would probably be trouble free. If you ignore the anti capitalists they'll just smash property up anyway as part of the struggle against oppression. If unpoliced would the EDL really remain non-violent in their own marches in potential powder keg areas?
doddisalegend Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 (edited) If unpoliced would the EDL really remain non-violent in their own marches in potential powder keg areas? I think so as long as everyone just ignored them. Easier said then done of course if you live in a powder keg area. I always got the feeling that EDL want to come across as a legitimate orginaziton and want others to confront them so they can kick off while looking like the injured party. Edited 6 November, 2015 by doddisalegend
Orange Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 The new breed of rebellious student anarchists. Demanding more government spending and higher taxation...
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 I think so as long as everyone just ignored them. Easier said then done of course if you live in a powder keg area. I always got the feeling that EDL what to come across as a legitimate orginaziton and want others to confront them so they can kick off while looking like the injured party. Pretty much the same as Orangemen walking through Catholic areas in July or Republicans walking through protestant areas of Northern Ireland. It's designed to foment a reaction.
TopGun Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 But clearly the OP fails to distinguish between left wing and anarchist.
Plastic Posted 6 November, 2015 Posted 6 November, 2015 But clearly the OP fails to distinguish between left wing and anarchist. You, sir, make a good argument, and I do agree with your previous posts. However I am also moved by this Tolkien quote.
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Author Posted 7 November, 2015 (edited) edit Edited 7 November, 2015 by Batman
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