SuperSAINT Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Detailed breakdown of our finances. http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/southampton-with-or-without-you.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Great read - thanks for finding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Thanks for that. Very interesting read. Commercial activity will be interesting to watch in the next few years & I wonder how the board really felt about our early exit from the Europa League?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Interesting that Bournemouth accepted less than they were entitled to from the Lallana deal. How did we sort that one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Interesting that Bournemouth accepted less than they were entitled to from the Lallana deal. How did we sort that one out? Perhaps by telling them "either you accept less or we don't sell Lallana and then you'd get nothing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 More interesting is that 7th place will be worth an extra £48m under the new TV deal. That's absolutely staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Perhaps by telling them "either you accept less or we don't sell Lallana and then you'd get nothing". Pretty much exactly this. £4m just happened to also be the figure Bournemouth required to fit within the acceptable losses in the Football League's FFP rules that season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Pretty much exactly this. £4m just happened to also be the figure Bournemouth required to fit within the acceptable losses in the Football League's FFP rules that season... Suspected as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 More interesting is that 7th place will be worth an extra £48m under the new TV deal. That's absolutely staggering. And that's a conservative estimate, based on the value of the overseas broadcasting contracts only increasing by 30% - the domestic one has increased by 70% starting next summer, and the overseas ones have generally increased at a faster rate than the domestic ones in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 More interesting is that 7th place will be worth an extra £48m under the new TV deal. That's absolutely staggering. He also admits that is a conservative figure and it might even be larger as the full details of the new overseas TV deals aren't known yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 It also highlights the fact that the owner’s support will still be valuable for a little longer. The Swiss-German Katharina Liebherr has certainly delivered the “stability and calm” that she promised the fans after inheriting the club after her father’s sudden death in August 2010, notably taking the departure of former chairman Nicola Cortese in her stride in January 2014. Liebherr has put in more than £70 million to date, including writing-off the £38 million of loans made up to June 2012 by converting these into equity capital, leaving the amount owed to her at £32.7 million as at June 2015. Importantly, she has not taken advantage of the club’s new-found prosperity to reduce her debt, as Rogers confirmed: “There was an opportunity to clear the entire debt of the football club and take out money that had been put in, but Katharina didn’t do that. Instead she allowed us to re-invest all of the money, either in fees or contracts. Thank you, Ma'am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Commercial revenue as well as % of total (9%) and reliance on TV revenue (75%) aren't great to be honest. Rogers might well say that we are at the beginning of a journey, but it isn't like SFC have just been set up. The shirt sponsorship was ridiculously cheap, regardless of whether it was a local club (selling goods made in China), almost to the point of incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Commercial revenue as well as % of total (9%) and reliance on TV revenue (75%) aren't great to be honest. Rogers might well say that we are at the beginning of a journey, but it isn't like SFC have just been set up. The shirt sponsorship was ridiculously cheap, regardless of whether it was a local club (selling goods made in China), almost to the point of incompetence. It is a bad deal on the face of it but when you take into the account the circumstance then it isn't so bad. It was a deal we had to make in very short timescales and it is also a local firm which goes some way to undoing some damage done by Cortese. However if we sign a deal for anything less than £4m next season the club have messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 This bit was interesting: This might feel like an unrealistic aspiration for Southampton, but it is clearly in the long-term plans of the club’s hierarchy, as chairman Ralph Krueger outlined: “People tell us it’s not possible, with our budget and our infrastructure. We believe it is.” Executive director Les Reed was equally bullish, “We’d like to think we have the structure to (reach the Champions League) in the next five years.” When Cortese said we planned to reach the Champions League he was laughed at by some on here and we were told that it was impossible for our club and that we should be satisfied with being also rans in mid-table. Ralph and especially Les think it is a reasonable aspiration within the next 5 years. Apart from allowing a few more years than Cortese the goal is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 The concerns about our debt seem to be somewhat over egged, as it seems that we are owed £55m by other clubs for transfers (and remember this does not include Morgan or Clyne's transfers), though of course it also does not include what we have paid for the likes of VvD and anyone else we brought in after the end of June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 I think when it all is taken into consideration we must be one of the best run clubs in terms of our financial arrangements in Europe. I shudder to think now where we could be if we had been taken over by Pinnacle/Marc Jackson/Middle East/Thai type combo. The Liebherr family have been very good considerate, owners but I think they have also made a shrewd investment considering their small initial outlay. Whoever it was that put them in touch with the club - was it Oldknow as rumoured? - deserves our gratitude, it was a fine day's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 I think when it all is taken into consideration we must be one of the best run clubs in terms of our financial arrangements in Europe. I shudder to think now where we could be if we had been taken over by Pinnacle/Marc Jackson/Middle East/Thai type combo. The Liebherr family have been very good considerate, owners but I think they have also made a shrewd investment considering their small initial outlay. Whoever it was that put them in touch with the club - was it Oldknow as rumoured? - deserves our gratitude, it was a fine day's work. Hang on a minute, not that long ago you were *****ing that the club was no longer for the fans, run by a bunch of people who didn't care about the club or it's fans and were only interested in money. What's changed? How have they suddenly become one of the best run clubs in Europe owned by good, considerate owners? How can this even be the case when they keep on spunking money on players like Claise and Tadic who are both out of their depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Good read as usual from the Swiss Ramble. The bottom line seems to be that we have a good model which allows a club of our size to compete at a higher than expected level yet hasn't yet stood the test of time, particularly relating to the reliance of player transfers. It's tough to get this right consistently enough in order for it not to eventually become detrimental to the team and our finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Good read as usual from the Swiss Ramble. The bottom line seems to be that we have a good model which allows a club of our size to compete at a higher than expected level yet hasn't yet stood the test of time, particularly relating to the reliance of player transfers. It's tough to get this right consistently enough in order for it not to eventually become detrimental to the team and our finances. This. Its not yet clear whether we have been lucky with recent player transfers or skilful. I suspect both. Thats a hard trick to pull off year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 More interesting is that 7th place will be worth an extra £48m under the new TV deal. That's absolutely staggering. Corr! That would pay for another tier on the Kingsland. Light fuse, stand well back, never return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 And that's a conservative estimate, based on the value of the overseas broadcasting contracts only increasing by 30% - the domestic one has increased by 70% starting next summer, and the overseas ones have generally increased at a faster rate than the domestic ones in recent years. Still amazes me there's so much more TV money sloshing around our game, I know we have a competitive league and some big names but there's also loads of dire games televised being played in front of quiet stadiums. Every time I catch a Bundesliga game, every ground seems to be packed and vibrant and they've got massive clubs and some top players over there. I wonder how their TV revenue compares to ours? This was a third division game at the weekend. Scroll down for some impressive crowd images. http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/3863-dynamo-dresden-magdeburg-31102015.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Corr! That would pay for another tier on the Kingsland. Light fuse, stand well back, never return. We will just see a proportionate increase in salaries which is more annoying than I can express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Still amazes me there's so much more TV money sloshing around our game, I know we have a competitive league and some big names but there's also loads of dire games televised being played in front of quiet stadiums. Every time I catch a Bundesliga game, every ground seems to be packed and vibrant and they've got massive clubs and some top players over there. I wonder how their TV revenue compares to ours? This was a third division game at the weekend. Scroll down for some impressive crowd images. http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/3863-dynamo-dresden-magdeburg-31102015.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Under the new tv deal match day income will account for less than 10% of total income. The clubs could make every game free and still nett more than they do now. There is so much more they could do to improve atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Every time I catch a Bundesliga game, every ground seems to be packed and vibrant and they've got massive clubs and some top players over there. I wonder how their TV revenue compares to ours? The Bundesliga is currently pulling in €628m a year, which is around £450m. That will rise to around €800m from next season (£570m). Meanwhile, the PL figures are currently £1.8bn a year (£1.06bn from the domestic rights, the rest from overseas), with the new domestic deal more or less the same as the combined total from the current deal. Taking Swiss Ramble's very conservative estimate of a 30% increase in overseas rights (domestic increased by around 70%), that takes the annual total to £2.8bn, nearly five times larger than the Bundesliga's income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Under the new tv deal match day income will account for less than 10% of total income. The clubs could make every game free and still nett more than they do now. There is so much more they could do to improve atmosphere. I don't necessarily think that by reducing ticket prices you would automatically see an improvement in the atmosphere at games. You only have to look at the Villa game as an example - £12 a ticket and the atmosphere was crap. There needs to be a willingness among those who do end up in the stands to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 (edited) I don't necessarily think that by reducing ticket prices you would automatically see an improvement in the atmosphere at games. You only have to look at the Villa game as an example - £12 a ticket and the atmosphere was crap. There needs to be a willingness among those who do end up in the stands to do something. Cup games are a one off though. I think if you kept at least some prices low for every game for a long period you would gradually attract the younger fans back who tend to be more vocal. God knows what the average age at games is now. Clubs could do more in terms of subsidy of away travel too. Edited 3 November, 2015 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Cup games are a one off though. I think if you kept at least some prices low for every game for a long period you would gradually attract the younger fans back who tend to be more vocal. God knows what the average age at games is now. Clubs could do more in terms of subsidy of away travel too. The average age in the Kingsland must be somewhere around the 50's from just looking around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Hang on a minute, not that long ago you were *****ing that the club was no longer for the fans, run by a bunch of people who didn't care about the club or it's fans and were only interested in money. What's changed? How have they suddenly become one of the best run clubs in Europe owned by good, considerate owners? How can this even be the case when they keep on spunking money on players like Claise and Tadic who are both out of their depth? What's changed you turnip is Ms Liebherr got rid of the man she had trusted to run the club in a proper fashion. Cortese couldn't care a jot about the fans and alienated vast swathes of the City - fortunately he did not own the club. But I'm sure you know this already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Cup games are a one off though. I think if you kept at least some prices low for every game for a long period you would gradually attract the younger fans back who tend to be more vocal. God knows what the average age at games is now. Clubs could do more in terms of subsidy of away travel too. with crazy ticket prices, booking fees, insane TV money and now membership costs. you would think it was easily dooable.....but then again, Ralph and Les are still talking champions league football in the near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 What's changed you turnip is Ms Liebherr got rid of the man she had trusted to run the club in a proper fashion. Cortese couldn't care a jot about the fans and alienated vast swathes of the City - fortunately he did not own the club. But I'm sure you know this already You posted this in February 2014, a month after Cortese left http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49105-The-club-is-no-longer-run-FOR-the-fans In this thread you slam the Liebherr family for only being interested in making money. You turnip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 You posted this in February 2014, a month after Cortese left http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49105-The-club-is-no-longer-run-FOR-the-fans In this thread you slam the Liebherr family for only being interested in making money. You turnip. Sometimes think it would be a good idea to delete all the history on this forum. Then we wouldn't get turnips like Chief Mong digging up posts just to pick an argument with decent posters. Some people just seem so dense that they cannot understand that something that may have been true at a moment in time can change, and hence opinions change. The forum thread history just seems to give dullards like this the opportunity to pick an argument and make this forum ever less pleasant. seems to me that FF's post was quite reasonable and his later updates to the thread more so, but unfortunately one of our less enlightened brethren can't deal with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2015 Share Posted 3 November, 2015 Sometimes think it would be a good idea to delete all the history on this forum. Then we wouldn't get turnips like Chief Mong digging up posts just to pick an argument with decent posters. Some people just seem so dense that they cannot understand that something that may have been true at a moment in time can change, and hence opinions change. The forum thread history just seems to give dullards like this the opportunity to pick an argument and make this forum ever less pleasant. seems to me that FF's post was quite reasonable and his later updates to the thread more so, but unfortunately one of our less enlightened brethren can't deal with this. I bet you'd like to delete the post where you called me racist because I said Tandari Lee wouldn't be the Premier league superstar you said he would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 You posted this in February 2014, a month after Cortese left http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49105-The-club-is-no-longer-run-FOR-the-fans In this thread you slam the Liebherr family for only being interested in making money. You turnip. Yes and that is what I believed at that time, but I had not made allowances for the fact that Ms Liebherr was not in tune with what Cortese had been doing....in fact she strongly disagreed with it and since that February has taken big steps to rectify a lot of things I was protesting about. Unlike you Turkish I remain flexible in my opinions and I try to comment on what I see at the time. Things move on thankfully and I'm delighted that since my post the club have completely turned things around and DO care about the fans. If you stopped trying to be a smart arse in catching posters out your views would be taken much more seriously - you have a lot to say and can be funny but this sort of nit picking is tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 You posted this in February 2014, a month after Cortese left http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49105-The-club-is-no-longer-run-FOR-the-fans In this thread you slam the Liebherr family for only being interested in making money. You turnip. February 2014. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 Still amazes me there's so much more TV money sloshing around our game, I know we have a competitive league and some big names but there's also loads of dire games televised being played in front of quiet stadiums. Every time I catch a Bundesliga game, every ground seems to be packed and vibrant and they've got massive clubs and some top players over there. I wonder how their TV revenue compares to ours? This was a third division game at the weekend. Scroll down for some impressive crowd images. http://m.ultras-tifo.net/photo-news/3863-dynamo-dresden-magdeburg-31102015.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Whilst its impressive support they also have riot police in full body armour and huge number of hooligans dressed all in black who are there only to fight.... Thanks, but no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 We will just see a proportionate increase in salaries which is more annoying than I can express. To be honest, I was just being a bit mischievous. Whilst its impressive support they also have riot police in full body armour and huge number of hooligans dressed all in black who are there only to fight.... Thanks, but no thanks. There are, but, most of the 'hooligans' are no different to those over here, just pulling their hoods up and putting on a show. They had 30,000 for a third tier fixture, I'd guess the vast majority were just there to add to the occasion in a fanatical way. I loved the old school English support of 30/40-odd years ago but as many have said, it no longer exists. I envy many European matches these days, I'd loved to be inside a stadium experiencing that kind of 'support' every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 The Bundesliga is currently pulling in €628m a year, which is around £450m. That will rise to around €800m from next season (£570m). Meanwhile, the PL figures are currently £1.8bn a year (£1.06bn from the domestic rights, the rest from overseas), with the new domestic deal more or less the same as the combined total from the current deal. Taking Swiss Ramble's very conservative estimate of a 30% increase in overseas rights (domestic increased by around 70%), that takes the annual total to £2.8bn, nearly five times larger than the Bundesliga's income. In the USA the Bundesliga is broadcast by FOX which seems to be deliberating not exploiting it to the fullest. Their promotion is not very effective compared to NBC's promotion of the Premier League and you pretty much have to pay $20 a month to get all the games live on an app. Since I am not paying that I do not know whether the games remain available to watch later like the Premier League games on NBC. Given all this I don't seem the popularity of the Bundesliga rising enough in the USA in the near future to compete financially with the Premier League. Plus, the English language is a big advantage too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 Yes and that is what I believed at that time, but I had not made allowances for the fact that Ms Liebherr was not in tune with what Cortese had been doing....in fact she strongly disagreed with it and since that February has taken big steps to rectify a lot of things I was protesting about. Unlike you Turkish I remain flexible in my opinions and I try to comment on what I see at the time. Things move on thankfully and I'm delighted that since my post the club have completely turned things around and DO care about the fans. If you stopped trying to be a smart arse in catching posters out your views would be taken much more seriously - you have a lot to say and can be funny but this sort of nit picking is tedious. In 2007 I firmly intended to vote for Hillary Clinton for president and said so. Yet, I ended up voting for Obama. I really wonder why anyone would ever listen to anything I said after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 To be honest, I was just being a bit mischievous. There are, but, most of the 'hooligans' are no different to those over here, just pulling their hoods up and putting on a show. They had 30,000 for a third tier fixture, I'd guess the vast majority were just there to add to the occasion in a fanatical way. I loved the old school English support of 30/40-odd years ago but as many have said, it no longer exists. I envy many European matches these days, I'd loved to be inside a stadium experiencing that kind of 'support' every week. I am happy to be safely at home watching it on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 I am happy to be safely at home watching it on TV. One of the best things about being a Saints fan in the USA, being in the midwest is kinder on time than the west coast though. If I was still in London I wouldn't be able to see my team the way I can here, except with unreliable and questionably legal streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 In the USA the Bundesliga is broadcast by FOX which seems to be deliberating not exploiting it to the fullest. Their promotion is not very effective compared to NBC's promotion of the Premier League and you pretty much have to pay $20 a month to get all the games live on an app. Since I am not paying that I do not know whether the games remain available to watch later like the Premier League games on NBC. Given all this I don't seem the popularity of the Bundesliga rising enough in the USA in the near future to compete financially with the Premier League. Plus, the English language is a big advantage too. I think Fox's less-than-enthusiastic attitude towards it is probably a combination of having not paid very much for the rights in the first place, and the resulting viewing figures being largely rubbish. In fact, for the first five "gameweeks" this season, they averaged just 42,000 viewers per match. That's fewer viewers than can fit in more than half of the stadia in the Bundesliga, from a country home to more than 300 million people. Whether those viewing figures are caused by the league not being that attractive to Americans or Fox not pushing their coverage very well is open to debate - suspect there's a bit of both - but having PL games on NBC at more or less the same time just kills it. I saw last night that so far on NBC, our games alone have attracted average viewing figures of more than half a million people, and we have the 4th-highest average (we were second before the last round of games!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 Hang on a minute, not that long ago you were *****ing that the club was no longer for the fans, run by a bunch of people who didn't care about the club or it's fans and were only interested in money. What's changed? How have they suddenly become one of the best run clubs in Europe owned by good, considerate owners? How can this even be the case when they keep on spunking money on players like Claise and Tadic who are both out of their depth? What's changed you turnip is Ms Liebherr got rid of the man she had trusted to run the club in a proper fashion. Cortese couldn't care a jot about the fans and alienated vast swathes of the City - fortunately he did not own the club. But I'm sure you know this already You posted this in February 2014, a month after Cortese left http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?49105-The-club-is-no-longer-run-FOR-the-fans In this thread you slam the Liebherr family for only being interested in making money. You turnip. Sometimes think it would be a good idea to delete all the history on this forum. Then we wouldn't get turnips like Chief Mong digging up posts just to pick an argument with decent posters. Some people just seem so dense that they cannot understand that something that may have been true at a moment in time can change, and hence opinions change. The forum thread history just seems to give dullards like this the opportunity to pick an argument and make this forum ever less pleasant. seems to me that FF's post was quite reasonable and his later updates to the thread more so, but unfortunately one of our less enlightened brethren can't deal with this. Yes and that is what I believed at that time, but I had not made allowances for the fact that Ms Liebherr was not in tune with what Cortese had been doing....in fact she strongly disagreed with it and since that February has taken big steps to rectify a lot of things I was protesting about. Unlike you Turkish I remain flexible in my opinions and I try to comment on what I see at the time. Things move on thankfully and I'm delighted that since my post the club have completely turned things around and DO care about the fans. If you stopped trying to be a smart arse in catching posters out your views would be taken much more seriously - you have a lot to say and can be funny but this sort of nit picking is tedious. Far from tedious nitpicking, it was a completely reasonable question in response to comments about our owner made a full month after the person you blamed for the situation had left. I'd say that was pretty reasonable - and also worth your clarification, because it wasn't obvious why that would be the case. The bit about Clasie and Tadic was a vaguely amusing dig though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 One of the best things about being a Saints fan in the USA, being in the midwest is kinder on time than the west coast though. If I was still in London I wouldn't be able to see my team the way I can here, except with unreliable and questionably legal streams. But London has these magical things called roads on which a vehicle can take you to whichever stadium Saints are playing at. Failing that someone has also invented trains, which do a similar thing, although they use tracks rather than roads. That way you really could get to see the team in the way people who live around the world can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 (edited) But London has these magical things called roads on which a vehicle can take you to whichever stadium Saints are playing at. Failing that someone has also invented trains, which do a similar thing, although they use tracks rather than roads. That way you really could get to see the team in the way people who live around the world can't. Maybe he or she works weekends. Maybe they're a single parent. Maybe they're unemployed. Maybe they dont have to justify themselves. Edited 4 November, 2015 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 November, 2015 Share Posted 4 November, 2015 Whilst its impressive support they also have riot police in full body armour and huge number of hooligans dressed all in black who are there only to fight.... Thanks, but no thanks. WTF are you on about? If you'd ever been to a game in Germany you'd know that what you've written is utter boll_ocks. Great atmosphere, beer and no hassle at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 But London has these magical things called roads on which a vehicle can take you to whichever stadium Saints are playing at. Failing that someone has also invented trains, which do a similar thing, although they use tracks rather than roads. That way you really could get to see the team in the way people who live around the world can't. I didn't own a car, not much point, I made decent money, but not infinite resources. I tried to get to all the London away games, though never got to Stamford Bridge. And though I am sure the stadium of light has its charms, not everyone has the ability to trek up there on a weekday evening. However my DVR is always ready to go, for when I have to work a weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 I think Fox's less-than-enthusiastic attitude towards it is probably a combination of having not paid very much for the rights in the first place, and the resulting viewing figures being largely rubbish. In fact, for the first five "gameweeks" this season, they averaged just 42,000 viewers per match. That's fewer viewers than can fit in more than half of the stadia in the Bundesliga, from a country home to more than 300 million people. Whether those viewing figures are caused by the league not being that attractive to Americans or Fox not pushing their coverage very well is open to debate - suspect there's a bit of both - but having PL games on NBC at more or less the same time just kills it. I saw last night that so far on NBC, our games alone have attracted average viewing figures of more than half a million people, and we have the 4th-highest average (we were second before the last round of games!) I often watch the Bundesliga Friday game but I don't even bother to record the Saturday ones since I will have no time for them. The studio pundits each network uses are also a factor. I would much rather listen to the NBC (or ESPN) folks talk than the FOX people who come across as a bit too arrogant. I usually watch the entire 45 minute pregame show broadcast at 4am my time. (I don't watch it live and I fast forward through the commercials, usually.) I usually skip the fox pregame shows for all football matches including the American Football one-of course, I have pretty much stopped watching American Football in the past year plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 Yes and that is what I believed at that time, but I had not made allowances for the fact that Ms Liebherr was not in tune with what Cortese had been doing....in fact she strongly disagreed with it and since that February has taken big steps to rectify a lot of things I was protesting about. Unlike you Turkish I remain flexible in my opinions and I try to comment on what I see at the time. Things move on thankfully and I'm delighted that since my post the club have completely turned things around and DO care about the fans. If you stopped trying to be a smart arse in catching posters out your views would be taken much more seriously - you have a lot to say and can be funny but this sort of nit picking is tedious. FF being knocked for not changing his mind re Tadic and Cedric and being knocked for changing his mind re the Liebherrs. What is worse in my opinion than someone who posts knee jerks is the 'get a life' jerk who remembers them and drags them up over a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 November, 2015 Share Posted 5 November, 2015 FF being knocked for not changing his mind re Tadic and Cedric and being knocked for changing his mind re the Liebherrs. What is worse in my opinion than someone who posts knee jerks is the 'get a life' jerk who remembers them and drags them up over a year later. It usually has to be a sustained position for people to remember it - for instance I can fully accept people recalling I was over Lambert's usefulness long before we let him go, and as a result the "Sharp will score more" thing in the first Prem season is a fair piece of p155-taking, but you'd have to be some kind of mental to constantly refer to a throwaway joke comment I made about, say, singing about Yoshida being f'cking sh1111t despite my consistent questioning of Yoshida's decision-making in a top 8 Prem team. Ridiculous knee-jerk opinions are the thing that mostly keeps me off this site on weekends. I may venture on here on a Sunday night if we've won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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