Ziggy Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Get rid of him. He's a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Baffles me that we continue to persist playing an uninterested liability like Victor, yet Harrison Reed, a player that would put in double the effort can't even make the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Baffles me that we continue to persist playing an uninterested liability like Victor, yet Harrison Reed, a player that would put in double the effort can't even make the bench. Reed isn't pulling any trees up at a far lower level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Surely the ONLY explanation for Reed not being involved is attitude or for disciplinary reasons. He looked (to me) completely at home in the few PL appearances last season, and I honestly felt he was the future of our midfield. All seems a bit bizarre really. He clearly has the talent, unless I'm blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Get rid of him. He's a liability. But then he's gotten what he wants and will be seen to lead by example. On the other perhaps as some suspected from the off he isn't a top class player and has good days and off days, something that real class doesn't usually have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 Reed isn't pulling any trees up at a far lower level. Fair comment, perhaps he's lost motivation having been given a taste of first team action and now he nor anyone else is getting a look in. I remember his performance against Everton last season where he absolutely bossed the midfield,think it was Barkley he marked completely out of the game. Perhaps he'd be a disappointment if he was bought back into the fold but RK has to try something, and I'd prefer to see someone like Reed giving 100% than watching Fat Vic going through the motions. Its bad enough that Ryan Seager can't get anywhere near the first team yet ineffective strikers like Long and Juanmi do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 Anyone else think Wanyama's stock has fallen?? At one point last year there was talk of £20m+ from the likes of Arsenal. Do people still think he is in that bracket? I personally don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151221-victor-wanyama-post-tottenham-hotspur-home-2860616.aspx Speaking after Saints’ 2-0 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur at St Mary’s on Saturday, the Kenyan added that the number of players that came into the squad in the summer are also finding their feet. “We still need to work together and to know each other more because we had a lot of changes in the team and we still need a bit of time to gel together, and I think that’s the only thing,” he said. “It’s about being together. We just need to fight more and sharpen ourselves up because we have some tough games ahead.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151221-victor-wanyama-post-tottenham-hotspur-home-2860616.aspx And Spurs, well they've all been there for years haven't they. Some people should just shut it when they've no valid reasons to put forward. We are 20 odd games into the season, that sort of bolloaks is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20151221-victor-wanyama-post-tottenham-hotspur-home-2860616.aspx That is total hogwash and just an excuse. Soares and VVD are the only new players playing anywhere regularly. I make an exception of the goalkeeper. Juanmi, Clasie ( until recently), Martina, Romeu have appeared intermittently at best. The same old, same old, none scoring, slow, passing midfielders Davis, Wanyama, JWP have featured regularly. We need aggression and high tempo dynamic pressing and runners to get into the box, together with movement up front. Pelle is too slow, plays with his head down and doesn't dart about at all and is easy to mark as he has been worked out. From Long, Mane, Tadic, Seager, until January, then FFS get Austin in, cheaper in the long run. Place money will make up the cost because he will get goals, and if he does so will others. From Clasie, Romeu, Reed and Wanyama (only if he changes his attitude. If wanyama wants to play as one defensive midfielder he has to stop wandering all over the place and play in front of the back four releasing the other midfielders to join the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 Anyone else think Wanyama's stock has fallen?? To be honest this has probably happened to most of our first team players with our current slump, only those now being shown to the world by being in the premier league (VVD and Clasie etc.) have probably had their values increase. I'm not sure I'd read much into this as a nice purple patch would reverse it all and start all manner of bulls**t transfer stories as usual. There's a definite issue though with VW though, interest from other teams / the press has distracted him and he's grown an ugly ego, with his attitude and commitment dropping off a cliff and he really needs to sit on the bench for a couple of games. I can't help but compare him to Mane, who after the Man U interest has seemed to grab it for all it's worth and play better now he knows he's being watched ? (he's an example to all our players on how to do it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 Anyone else think Wanyama's stock has fallen?? At one point last year there was talk of £20m+ from the likes of Arsenal. Do people still think he is in that bracket? I personally don't. absolutely Mane is no where near this £30m player that would change united bertrand looks miles off being good enough for the euros this slump he killing a few players leading up to a big summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 December, 2015 Share Posted 21 December, 2015 Anyone else think Wanyama's stock has fallen?? At one point last year there was talk of £20m+ from the likes of Arsenal. Do people still think he is in that bracket? I personally don't. He's had a pretty abject season but retains the talents which will interest big clubs. We probably won't get £20m, but that's as much to do with another year coming off his contract and another year on his age. As for Mane, people were getting ahead of themselves calling him a £30m player anyway - he would only ever attract that price if he could play at his best consistently. He still hasn't done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Putting himself in the shop window for January, or genuinely had a s**t hot game this evening? (am I being to cynical ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 "Arsene, my client just bossed your midfield - interested?". Not my words but those of Big Vic's agent in about 10 mins time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Putting himself in the shop window for January, or genuinely had a s**t hot game this evening? (am I being to cynical ?) Might be both. He was mighty tonight, along with Clasie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 Thing is he's started well in other games and then just given up once things don't go his/our way. Credit to him today though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 December, 2015 Share Posted 26 December, 2015 He was absolutely superb today. Once he doesnt try to spray 50 yards passes and plays to his strengths, and with passion and drive, he is a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Wanyama is the best defensive midfielder in the Premier League. On The BBC radio commentary tonight, they said any team would be lucky to pay £30 million and get him. Let's hope none of the others do. He's our star. His tackling, interceptions and sheer physical presence have always been immense but tonight the quality of his passing was what helped win the game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 ]Wanyama is the best defensive midfielder in the Premier League.[/b] On The BBC radio commentary tonight' date=' they said any team would be lucky to pay £30 million and get him. Let's hope none of the others do. He's our star. His tackling, interceptions and sheer physical presence have always been immense but tonight the quality of his passing was what helped win the game for us.[/quote'] He had a quality game but Schneiderlin is much better imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Wanyama is the best defensive midfielder in the Premier League. On The BBC radio commentary tonight, they said any team would be lucky to pay £30 million and get him. Let's hope none of the others do. He's our star. His tackling, interceptions and sheer physical presence have always been immense but tonight the quality of his passing was what helped win the game for us. Not worth 30 million if he only produces that kind of performance once in a blue moon. How many good performances have we seen from Vic this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Wanyama is the best defensive midfielder in the Premier League. On The BBC radio commentary tonight, they said any team would be lucky to pay £30 million and get him. Let's hope none of the others do. He's our star. His tackling, interceptions and sheer physical presence have always been immense but tonight the quality of his passing was what helped win the game for us. Total nonsense. Wanyama got back to basics last night and our style of play suited him. Very little football played and we got the ball forward quickly at every opportunity. His passing is awful but when he's just thinking about smashing people he's very effective, and he helped crowd out Ozil well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Putting himself in the shop window for January, or genuinely had a s**t hot game this evening? (am I being to cynical ?) maybe not cynical ..but if he ever wanted a move to Arsenal, then Wenger couldn't have ignored his performance on Saturday. Wenger suggested that our " physical play " had ruined his delicate "passing game", but be sure if VW went to Arsenal... he'd want him to play exactly the same way. Every team needs a " hard man " and Arsenal haven't had anyone like that since Tony Adams retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 Not worth 30 million if he only produces that kind of performance once in a blue moon. How many good performances have we seen from Vic this season? worth? ..worth ?.. it's not about value, but how much you can get from the millionaire owners who are happy to throw money at their problems. We've learnt that much in the last year or two...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 (edited) Not worth 30 million if he only produces that kind of performance once in a blue moon. How many good performances have we seen from Vic this season? More than the dullards who are unable to separate his performances from his tŵàttîśh antics at the beginning of the season, assume. Edited 28 December, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 December, 2015 Share Posted 28 December, 2015 There's an article on him in The Times today: 'Victor Wanyama Shows Arsenal What They Are Missing' It's a pay subscription so I shouldn't quote it wholesale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 On Saturday .......he looked like Superman, but yesterday ....he was more like the Invisible Man ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 He's been crap, apart from one game, for months. Get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 He's been crap, apart from one game, for months. Get rid. Utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 (edited) Think we need to cut him a little bit of slack, like all the players he put a shift in on Saturday,played an absolute belter of a game resulting in every man jack wanting a piece of him. So you have a lad who comes from a small footballing nation has been under a great deal of pressure to perform in the side, suddenly he the physicality of Saturday's game that attention has to have taken an emotional toll too. You could see he knew he had played duff balls when the did yesterday, but there is no point beating the bloke up over it..... Give him a chance. The way our midfielders get slated on here we may as well play with a back 3 ........... Cos that really works a treat. (45 hours might have been nothing to the old players saying get on with it but Premier league football is much more demanding today than it was 5 years ago) Edited 29 December, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Thought him and Romeu were very good in the first half yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Utter nonsense. He hasn't been total crap, he has been average. Basically he has looked like a mid-table PL player playing in what is a mid to lower mid table at PL team this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Utter nonsense. Is it? I don't think it is. He's been well below par for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 Arsenal - excellent, obviously. West Ham - Fine. Two games don't make a season though, and he's been one of the poorest (relative to his ability/potential effectiveness). Who knows, maybe he's turned a corner now/woken up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 Victor played well against Arsenal but they are one of the teams he wants to go to. He will go in the summer, who he goes to depends on how well he plays for the rest of the season but he's already auditioned well for his 'probable' preferred choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 I say let him rot in the reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Absolutely appalling today. Even if he never got his marching orders, his performance was terrible. Those tackles that brought the yellow were just stupid. He should never have been on the pitch as long has he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Sell the pr!ck. Only time he put any effort in was against Arsenal to impress Wenger. Is not interested, and now gets himself sent off. Absolute c*nt of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 6:07 Clumped cross field pass straight into touch under no pressure 9:19 Trademark shot into Row Z under no pressure Commentator - ' Wanyama was left out when Saints beat Norwich 3-0 earlier in the season' 25:00 Lethargy in the box and no attempt to get to a cross well within reach 49:01 Too slow, easily dispossessed Booked 60:51 Under no pressure, lethargy, came under pressure, easily dispossessed Sent Off This sort of performance is typical from Wanyama. He plays like this most games and is normally just a waste of a shirt yet Koeman picks him every week, which says more about Koeman than Wanyama. He also has a track record of throwing his toys out the pram and being a disruptive influence. He simply has to go in this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Completely useless ****. Stupid, pointless sending off. Shouldn't play for Saints again. He's head's completely gone. He clearly wants a transfer and think he's better than he is. His crap performances are affecting the whole side. I'm not scape-goating him as the whole team isn't playing well but Big Vic particularly should leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 But only if we get a decent offer. If he goes for anything less he wins. If we don't get a decent offer let him rot with the kids (although that would be unfair on the kids). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Arsenal - excellent, obviously. West Ham - Fine. Two games don't make a season though, and he's been one of the poorest (relative to his ability/potential effectiveness). Who knows, maybe he's turned a corner now/woken up a little. Got your answer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Victor played well against Arsenal but they are one of the teams he wants to go to. He will go in the summer, who he goes to depends on how well he plays for the rest of the season but he's already auditioned well for his 'probable' preferred choice. I'd be happy to see him go to Arsenal tbh, anywhere but to Poch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_Saint_G Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Today was outrageous the way he got sent off, however i feel RK should have taken him off earlier ashe was having quite a poor game anyway. The issue may have been, as the likely replacement, Reed has not had a lot of game time recently and may not have been effective for 30mins+. I wonder why we have moved away from having 2 DM's as we did under MP and RK when Morgan was here. I know Romeu was suspended for this game, but i would like to see us start him and VV regualry together. Maybe VV wouldn't feel he has to clatter about making all the tackles as Romeu would be able to chip in. JWP and Davies are not effective tacklers. The CB's look nervous as hell with only one DM in front of them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Any money we get for him is a bonus. If he sees out his contract then he'll just lumber about, miss placing passes, mistiming tackles and ultimately blocking the path of someone else (not saying Harrison Reed is the answer but I'd happily see him in the side ahead of Wanyama right now). The sooner he leaves the better, but considering his performances this season, none of the clubs he wants will be interested. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 RK clearly has a problem with a couple of big time charlies in he squad, namely Wanyama and Mane, which is affecting the whole team. Personally I would sell both and attempt to get replacements who actually want to play. If not, then drop both of them for a month minimum and play youngsters who actually want to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 RK clearly has a problem with a couple of big time charlies in he squad, namely Wanyama and Mane, which is affecting the whole team. Personally I would sell both and attempt to get replacements who actually want to play. If not, then drop both of them for a month minimum and play youngsters who actually want to impress. Fair enough but After the summer why are you confident we will sign better or the sane quality after the summer? Also the youngsters coming through are pretty much none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 3 January, 2016 Share Posted 3 January, 2016 This sort of performance is typical from Wanyama. He plays like this most games and is normally just a waste of a shirt yet Koeman picks him every week, which says more about Koeman than Wanyama. He also has a track record of throwing his toys out the pram and being a disruptive influence. He simply has to go in this window. Koeman knows far more than we ever will how disruptive he is. Given his reaction today, I think it's quite obvious that if he had a track record of disruption he'd not be anywhere near the team. I'd also argue that in his two full seasons here, taken together, he was our best and most consistent player. He's been off it this year and needs shifting if he and the club don't work things out but selling him now would be cutting off your nose to spite your face* *Unless, of course, his attitude gets worse and does start disrupting others. You'd have to be incredibly thick to sell Mane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 3 January, 2016 Share Posted 3 January, 2016 Today was outrageous the way he got sent off, however i feel RK should have taken him off earlier ashe was having quite a poor game anyway. The issue may have been, as the likely replacement, Reed has not had a lot of game time recently and may not have been effective for 30mins+. I wonder why we have moved away from having 2 DM's as we did under MP and RK when Morgan was here. I know Romeu was suspended for this game, but i would like to see us start him and VV regualry together. Maybe VV wouldn't feel he has to clatter about making all the tackles as Romeu would be able to chip in. JWP and Davies are not effective tacklers. The CB's look nervous as hell with only one DM in front of them too. I keep wondering why we don't play with 2 DM anymore. Obviously Schneiderlin was top quality but even with OR or JWP in there alongside him we look so much more solid. Our strikers may be misfiring but our defenders look panicked. Back to Wanyama....it looked to me like he wanted to get a red today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 January, 2016 Share Posted 3 January, 2016 Koeman knows far more than we ever will how disruptive he is. Given his reaction today, I think it's quite obvious that if he had a track record of disruption he'd not be anywhere near the team. I'd also argue that in his two full seasons here, taken together, he was our best and most consistent player. He's been off it this year and needs shifting if he and the club don't work things out but selling him now would be cutting off your nose to spite your face* *Unless, of course, his attitude gets worse and does start disrupting others. You'd have to be incredibly thick to sell Mane. If you could get silly money for Mané then you'd be silly not too, and I do mean stupid money. But there's something not right about his attitude and if not sorted it can upset the whole squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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