Monkou Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 Not as good as he thinks he is. You hardly ever see him sprint. This is not meant in anyway as a criticism of you Webby, but a lot of fans tend to measure a player´s worth on how much effort they are perceived to be putting in.. It´s that thing of giving their all for the shirt etc etc which fans love. I get that, but in terms of effectiveness, I would rather someone like Wanyama in midfield, who reads the game so well, breaks up the play, often without the need to run about like a headless chicken. How often did you see Patrick Vierra sprint? Or Claud Makelele? That does not mean they were not committed to the cause.
benjii Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 He failed to track runners past him on a number of occasions in the second half. I also felt he had a very poor second half against Villa. I'm hoping Romeu can put in a great performance next weekend to remind Vic he isn't undroppable again.
Benny F Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 You are mad if you think Wanyama didnt play well against Bournemouth. He bossed it. his second yellow might have sealed the clean sheet. Him and Clasie will form a great partnership. Clasie looks Classy. Time for Romeu to shine now, for a match.
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 Played well yesterday - really not sure what game some people were watching.
captainchris Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 IWe would miss him badly, indeed, we may see how much we do miss him in the next game. With him on a yellow though I was praying we would take him off for Romeu. He can be too rash under pressure, he is really missing Morgan alongside him. Fair comment.... Classie is no Morgan and would prefer Romeu beside of Vic ....A few said Vic was poor against Villa too but actually thought he played well.... Ours issues are dropping too deep in games. The issue is Vic it is tactics and we are left wanting in this department on too many occassions...... We should be looking at RK for this not Vic.....
haddock22 Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 im always under the impression you never quite know what hes going to do with the ball,it can be a good pass or one one puts colleagues in difficulties and under pressure.thats what happened yesterday with a number of passes going all over the place.
Webby Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 This is not meant in anyway as a criticism of you Webby, but a lot of fans tend to measure a player´s worth on how much effort they are perceived to be putting in.. It´s that thing of giving their all for the shirt etc etc which fans love. I get that, but in terms of effectiveness, I would rather someone like Wanyama in midfield, who reads the game so well, breaks up the play, often without the need to run about like a headless chicken. How often did you see Patrick Vierra sprint? Or Claud Makelele? That does not mean they were not committed to the cause. No, I don't really measure it in that way, but there are times when he needs to get back and recover and it's not very often you see him put his head down and leg it.
Dig Dig Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 Played well yesterday - really not sure what game some people were watching. Agree, couple of slightly iffy passes back in the first half but clearly our best CM by a long way. His passing and general composure on the ball is usually good. His ability to use his body to role players and shield the ball is particularly impressive as he often just waltzes out of tight situations with the ball.
Born In The 80s Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 How much are we going to get for this guy? There has been a clear drop off in performances since last season. Still a handy player, but can't see us getting more than the 12 million we paid for him. Especially as he is in the last year of his contract next year. Central midfield is a position of need next summer methinks.
VectisSaint Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 How much are we going to get for this guy? There has been a clear drop off in performances since last season. Still a handy player, but can't see us getting more than the 12 million we paid for him. Especially as he is in the last year of his contract next year. Central midfield is a position of need next summer methinks. Hopefully we stick to our guns of not doing business with Spuds and he stays with us.
Village Saint Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 Agree, couple of slightly iffy passes back in the first half but clearly our best CM by a long way. His passing and general composure on the ball is usually good. His ability to use his body to role players and shield the ball is particularly impressive as he often just waltzes out of tight situations with the ball. He once again absolutely bossed the centre of midfield. Of course he doesn't always pass it perfectly - he is a defensive midfielder after all. But IMHO the reason we aren't really missing Morgan (who of course is a fantastic player who we would have back in a shot) is that big Victor has stepped up a gear this season and is actually using the ball better. Indeed where we have lacked is in his partner. Romeu and JWP have their strengths but neither makes an idea all round partner for Vic. Ronald seems to think Clasie is the man but so far I have been hugely underwhelmed. He may well get better but to me whatever his passing skills he seems a bit lightweight.
Verbal Kint Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 He once again absolutely bossed the centre of midfield. Of course he doesn't always pass it perfectly - he is a defensive midfielder after all. But IMHO the reason we aren't really missing Morgan (who of course is a fantastic player who we would have back in a shot) is that big Victor has stepped up a gear this season and is actually using the ball better. Indeed where we have lacked is in his partner. Romeu and JWP have their strengths but neither makes an idea all round partner for Vic. Ronald seems to think Clasie is the man but so far I have been hugely underwhelmed. He may well get better but to me whatever his passing skills he seems a bit lightweight. The problem is that if we don't get midfielders in the team who can actually pass the ball properly and forwards, which I think Clasie can do but Wanyama plainly can't, we will never progress as a side. We had two of the best defensive enforcers in the league last year as a partnership and whilst we were fantastic defensively there were a lot of games where we just moved the ball too slowly in midfield. If we want to improve then we will need to sell Wanyama and try and find another midfielder who has more ability on the ball than him. There's a reason why none of the clubs above us (except Spurs but very little in it last year) have any interest in signing him
shurlock Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 (edited) The problem is that if we don't get midfielders in the team who can actually pass the ball properly and forwards, which I think Clasie can do but Wanyama plainly can't, we will never progress as a side. We had two of the best defensive enforcers in the league last year as a partnership and whilst we were fantastic defensively there were a lot of games where we just moved the ball too slowly in midfield. If we want to improve then we will need to sell Wanyama and try and find another midfielder who has more ability on the ball than him. There's a reason why none of the clubs above us (except Spurs but very little in it last year) have any interest in signing him Perhaps he's bulls**tting when he claims Arsenal has been in touch with him, then. EIther way, Wanyama's passing has improved substantially since his first season. Creating space isn't all about passing either. Its also about taking the ball forward, sucking opponents in or out of position. He has shown far more willingness to do that than Morgan. His ability to go past opposing midfielders -often simply by brushing them off- adds an important dimension to our game. Edited 2 November, 2015 by shurlock
Verbal Kint Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 EIther way, Wanyama's passing has improved substantially since his first season It's not saying much is it? His passing was abysmal when he first came, it's now just very average. You couldn't trust him to play a pass more than 20 yards and it would have to be sideways or backwards. He's a monster of a man, but technically he's very very average, and that's why very few teams above us want him. Morgan is miles ahead of him as a player.but even he moves the ball too slowly at times and gets criticised by a lot of United fans for that reason
Cosmic Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 I do not get it when people say he does not want to be here. Because he said in the summer that he does not want to be here? He's a monster, but I wouldn't have too much of an issue if we sold him for good money. He is replaceable.
Mystic Force Posted 2 November, 2015 Posted 2 November, 2015 I don't think he is the complete player a team like Arsenal, Man U, Man City, or Chelsea would want to compete at the highest level. He could help a Tottenham, Liverpool or Everton, but that isnt much of a step up from us. And even those first two would unlikely be a long term fixture. He is great at what he does, its just the other stuff. And to excel at the sharp end of the premier league you need more about you than Wanyama has. I always thought he was best used against the better team where we helps us dominate midfield but was more of a hindrance against teams set up to defend, where we need quicker play and more accurate passing to break them down.
St_Tel49 Posted 3 November, 2015 Posted 3 November, 2015 Played well yesterday - really not sure what game some people were watching. I watched a game in which he did a number of good things but also dropped a number of ********
Max Posted 3 November, 2015 Posted 3 November, 2015 He's an idiot for going into that challenge already on a yellow card. Didn't deserve the applause he got when he walked down the tunnel either. Look at the two footed challenge again. I honestly don't think he meant it. His 'standing' leg slips so turns into a two footer and looks worse than it was intended. Clumsy challenge, yes, but he's a great player, our best centre mid and he's only 24. He can tackle, win balls and break up play better than anyone we've had in years. He's had his head turned but enjoy him while he's here - can't imagine we'd be able to replace him with anyone near his ability. Stop the Vic-bashing, just because he doesn't kiss the badge doesn't make him a bad player.
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Posted 19 December, 2015 Yet another dreadful performance from him today. He's just going through the motions and quite clearly doesn't want to be here. Drop him, sell him for whatever we can get in January and find somebody who cares about playing well and can pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 He's been an absolute disgrace all season
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 I'm interested to see where he ends up as would be suprised if a top side took him. That said, also shows how good it must have been to play alongside Schnedierlin. Wanyama's partner keeps being rotated because none of the options are really quite up to it.
Based on what? Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Thought he might've turned up today. Perfect shop window if he really wanted to go to Spuds. Seriously, who'd buy him now?
adrian lord Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Drop him and rot him in reserves for rest of season, unless stupid money offered in Jan. Sell in August.
Verbal Kint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Drop him and rot him in reserves for rest of season, unless stupid money offered in Jan. Sell in August. For what though? I think people will be surprised at how little a club will pay for him. I'd be shocked if we got offered more than 8 million for him
Window Cleaner Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 For what though? I think people will be surprised at how little a club will pay for him. I'd be shocked if we got offered more than 8 million for him We should have sold him we we might have.
Saints foreva Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Schneiderlin made him look better than he is. **** our board for even selling him.
Toomer Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Schneiderlin made him look better than he is. **** our board for even selling him. Agree with this his first touch is awful as my mate would say he's got the touch of a rapist and a head like a 50 pence cabbage.
Daft Kerplunk Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 In danger of wasting his talent. Why would Spurs sign him when they have Dembele, Dier and Alli? Was probably scrubbed off the target list today after a number of disappointing appearances
VectisSaint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 In danger of wasting his talent. Why would Spurs sign him when they have Dembele, Dier and Alli? Was probably scrubbed off the target list today after a number of disappointing appearances Agreed, if Spurs (or anyone else) were interested surely today's performance would have ended that interest. Awful, responsible for giving the ball away so many times. I hadn't really joined in with the anti-Vic posts recently, but today he was a complete tosser (along with several others).
The Cat Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 On today's performance Dembele was twice the player Wanyama is. He's playing like he couldn't give a crap, and to be honest, right now I couldn't give one if he left.
Chalkboy Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Agreed, if Spurs (or anyone else) were interested surely today's performance would have ended that interest. Awful, responsible for giving the ball away so many times. I hadn't really joined in with the anti-Vic posts recently, but today he was a complete tosser (along with several others).[/quote Funny how Vic and Berahino have both been sh*te since Spurs interest and paltry offers.
Wade Garrett Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Don't think selling him is an option. He's sh*t, we would get f*ck all for him. Maybe get a bit of value for his wages, give him a hi-vis coat and let him steward on match days.
VectisSaint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Agreed, if Spurs (or anyone else) were interested surely today's performance would have ended that interest. Awful, responsible for giving the ball away so many times. I hadn't really joined in with the anti-Vic posts recently, but today he was a complete tosser (along with several others).[/quote Funny how Vic and Berahino have both been sh*te since Spurs interest and paltry offers. Yep, we should also ensure that we do no business whatsoever with Spurs, and that definitely includes 'Dros Townsend.
Chalkboy Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Yep, we should also ensure that we do no business whatsoever with Spurs, and that definitely includes 'Dros Townsend. Great tactic - express interest in player, scramble his mind, leave club to pick up the pieces of scrambled player's brain. Agree with you concerning dealing with Spurs, as I said on a previous post - no, no and thrice no, even frice (if that's a word) ; )
hasper57saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 How quickly I was slated for even suggesting some time back that he couldn't pass and needed some tuition.Today he was carp and it's not the first time I have observed this.
Koolman Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 I swear he was wearing a spuds shirt most of the game. Most of the team were poor but he was absolutely shocking. Get rid before he does any mors damage....
whelk Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Blame him as much as anyone for our recent slump and no spirit in the team. Wouk rather have Reed in side at least feel I want to get behind him whereas Wanyama was done for me when the transfer stuff happened.
rooney Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 The midfield is our problem. To see VW jogging back after he is beaten rather than busting a gut to get the ball back is shameful. He must be dropped for Romeu
Trout-Tickler Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I'll no doubt be called a WUM and told he can't get into Swansea's team but I wish Jack Cork was still here. No way he'd have downed tools the way Wanyama has.
Batman Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I'll no doubt be called a WUM and told he can't get into Swansea's team but I wish Jack Cork was still here. No way he'd have downed tools the way Wanyama has. Totally agree with you. He was a decent play for us and would be a good option in our position
adrian lord Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I'll no doubt be called a WUM and told he can't get into Swansea's team but I wish Jack Cork was still here. No way he'd have downed tools the way Wanyama has. True. the guy oozed a first class attitude and only left because he wanted 1st team football regularly. Shame it hasn't worked out.
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 True. the guy oozed a first class attitude and only left because he wanted 1st team football regularly. Shame it hasn't worked out. We should get Cork back and ferk off Vic.....
stevy777_x Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 If i remember correctly, Spurs offered 10m in the summer + Lamela on loan with a view to buy next summer. In hindsight it could have been a good deal, and would have given us more options in attack
Shance Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Another load of **** from him. Slow in the tackle, losing possession, **** passing, constantly caught out of position. He has to be dropped. He's ****.
Based on what? Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Great tactic - express interest in player, scramble his mind, leave club to pick up the pieces of scrambled player's brain. Agree with you concerning dealing with Spurs, as I said on a previous post - no, no and thrice no, even frice (if that's a word) ; ) It's just business I'm afraid. It's what the makes the (football) world go round. Spuds put in an offer, we deemed it too low and said 'No' but ***k me, how I wish we had said 'Yes!'
Chez Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I'll no doubt be called a WUM and told he can't get into Swansea's team but I wish Jack Cork was still here. No way he'd have downed tools the way Wanyama has. not by me. He proved both Poch and RK wrong but was still overlooked. Just how much did he want in wages? Id take Cork ahead of any of our CM at the moment. Dirty work done perhas the footballers in the side would be more effective.
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