Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Posted 19 December, 2015 Really? he was very good today like a little terrier all over the pitch putting in tackles, looking after the ball and decent passing he certainly did not look out of his depth. We didn't lose todays game in midfield. First half yes. Second half our midfield got nowhere near them. He did well pressing in the first 20mins, absolutely. Defending and winning balls near to our goal rather than higher up? Less so.
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Posted 19 December, 2015 This lad is top drawer. His biggest problem is Victor Top drawer? Surely not. If he is then Schneiderlin was from an entirely different chest of drawers. Was better today bit still think he is physically short in this league.
shurlock Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 First half yes. Second half our midfield got nowhere near them. He did well pressing in the first 20mins, absolutely. Defending and winning balls near to our goal rather than higher up? Less so. Agree - thought he had a decent game when hunting for the ball further up the pitch, opportunistically catching people in possession; but fell short when asked to provide a disciplined screen, with attackers running at him or required to win a 50/50 or a second ball, ultimately the bread and butter of a DM. Perhaps he can play the Davis role; we might lose something offensively (or perhaps not); but, at least, it might ensure we're more compact further up the pitch.
Yorkshire Saint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Top drawer? Surely not. If he is then Schneiderlin was from an entirely different chest of drawers. Was better today bit still think he is physically short in this league. Time will tell I guess but I think he will turn out to be a better player than Morgan
Block 5 Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 He definitely impressed earlier on. He has a good eye for a pass that could potentially unlock a defence if someone pacy like Long or Mané were running into space; Pellè less so obviously. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Wade Garrett Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 He definitely impressed earlier on. He has a good eye for a pass that could potentially unlock a defence if someone pacy like Long or Mané were running into space; Pellè less so obviously. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk His qualities aren't compatible with Pelle's one.
corky morris Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 He was a lot better than Wanyama! And he didn't lose the ball fir the first goal!
VectisSaint Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Was half decent today, probably our best player, though thats not saying much
Pat from Poole Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Time will tell I guess but I think he will turn out to be a better player than Morgan Really can't see it. Morgan is one of the best midfielders in Europe. Was at the Arnhem away game and talking to some locals, they couldn't see Clasie being a success in the Prem. In their view he was too slow and too small to make an impact. I've watched a lot of the Eredvisie on SKY. I could tell from watching this that he clearly has an eye for a pass, and a lot of Feyenoord's goals came from his assists. However the Prem demands an all-action game that I don't think he is capable of.
Saint Charlie Posted 19 December, 2015 Author Posted 19 December, 2015 Time will tell I guess but I think he will turn out to be a better player than Morgan Massive claim to make based on what we have seen so far. I don't think he has it in his locker to be that level.
Roger Posted 19 December, 2015 Posted 19 December, 2015 Massive claim to make based on what we have seen so far. I don't think he has it in his locker to be that level. Wrong day to say that mate. He was good today and our best player.
Saint Charlie Posted 20 December, 2015 Author Posted 20 December, 2015 Wrong day to say that mate. He was good today and our best player. He was ok, but to claim he will be better than Schneiderlin?
Saint_clark Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 He was ok, but to claim he will be better than Schneiderlin? I think he's done well and will be a good player for us, but I don't believe for a second he'll be as good as Schneiderlin. People seem too wrapped up in the idea that there are only players of Schneiderlins quality and then sh*t players, with nothing in between.
van Hanegem Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I can understand the doubts wether Clasie's physical endurance fits the PL, I had my doubts too when he signed fot the Saints, believing the Italian serie A would be better for him as the pace in that league would fit him better. But now I believe he will make it as he already adds something to the team with his passing. Off course he still needs to improve in many ways but I'd expected that he would play regularly in his second season because it's a big leap from the Eredivisie to the PL. It seems he's adjusting a little faster... Too bad the team is not in great shape at the moment, it's always easier to fit in when things are going well. It would be foolish to expect from Clasie that he already puts his mark on the team, even someone like Iniesta would need more time to cope...
whelk Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Slight separate note but how the fck is Morgan not staring for the worst Utd team in living memory?
CB Fry Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Wrong day to say that mate. He was good today and our best player. Not "dross", then? Jolly good.
S-Clarke Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Slight separate note but how the fck is Morgan not staring for the worst Utd team in living memory? LVG doesn't know how to use him, no surprise really.
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Slight separate note but how the fck is Morgan not staring for the worst Utd team in living memory? He's been injured, don't think he's fully recovered.
simo Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I'd like to see him played in front of the defensive midfielders for a few games he's one of our only players willing and capable of playing quick balls between the lines !
Chez Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 the game has changed, but running, heading, closing down, takling, intercepting balls, holding playefs off and being first to loose ball are still required to go with first touch and passing. the midfield does not have the athletisism required imo.
sadoldgit Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I think he's done well and will be a good player for us, but I don't believe for a second he'll be as good as Schneiderlin. People seem too wrapped up in the idea that there are only players of Schneiderlins quality and then sh*t players, with nothing in between. They are different types of player though so the comparison isn't really fair. He said himself that he is not a replacement for Morgan.
Saint Garrett Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Thought Clasie was very good first half yesterday. His best display thus far. Unfortunately he had Wanyama next to him who was sh!t!!
Dellman Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Slight separate note but how the fck is Morgan not staring for the worst Utd team in living memory? Like quite a few of 'our' players -Lovren, Lallana, Lambert for a start - they were great in our system but not necessarily going to be as good in another environment. None of them have improved their reputaion since leaving, just their bank balance
sadoldgit Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Not seen much football recently apart from the highlights so rely on this place to get an idea about how Clasie is getting on. So far the feedback from yesterday ranges from best player to ok to poor. Confused!
verlaine1979 Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Not seen much football recently apart from the highlights so rely on this place to get an idea about how Clasie is getting on. So far the feedback from yesterday ranges from best player to ok to poor. Confused! A few people on the match thread thought it was him who gave it away for the first goal, but it was Davis, which might explain some of the more overtly negative reviews. I thought he did okay first half, playing some good first time through balls to the attackers, but like the rest of the team, he was pretty much invisible second half until he was subbed.
sadoldgit Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 A few people on the match thread thought it was him who gave it away for the first goal, but it was Davis, which might explain some of the more overtly negative reviews. I thought he did okay first half, playing some good first time through balls to the attackers, but like the rest of the team, he was pretty much invisible second half until he was subbed. Thank you!
derry Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 I think Clasie is a decent player but more than that he gives everything and for a featherweight has heavyweight courage that some others would do well to copy.
scotty Posted 20 December, 2015 Posted 20 December, 2015 Slight separate note but how the fck is Morgan not staring for the worst Utd team in living memory? I'm guessing that it's because of the managerial merry-go-round currently taking place.
JRM Posted 21 December, 2015 Posted 21 December, 2015 I was very impressed with Clasie especially in the first 30 mins on Saturday, it's a good improvement and for me he definitely keeps his place in the side. He showed a hunger and desire in midfield that is missing in some of the other players. Victor Mercenary Wanyama has been my most disliked Saints player with his attempts to force a move plus I've never really rated him as a footballer. His main attributes are getting in the way of other teams attacks bit this season has seemed disinterested while picking up his vast salary which he seems to spend on badly fitting baseball caps. I also regretfully cannot see James Ward-Prowse making a big enough impact on games, he's good at keeping possession but that's it really, the opportunity he had to score near the end of the game was classic Ward-Prowse unable to get any power on the shot. I'd start with Clasie, Romeu and Davis in midfield next game.
RobM Posted 21 December, 2015 Posted 21 December, 2015 Clasie's passing has been impressive since day one, IMO. He has the rare ability of working out the pass he's going to make before he receives the ball. Often his first touch is the pass he wants to make. Often it's short and simple, but it's effective and on a few occasions has opened by opportunities. Saturday showed his other traits well; his tenacity and energy, he covered a lot of ground, broke up play well on occasions. One of the few highlights of the game. He's not yet at the standard I think he'll reach and can't sustain that level of work rate for 90-mins, but he's improving all the time. He's making less dumb decisions when talking too, he was a bit reckless early on. For my money, I'd go with him and Romeo for a few games. Romeo also passes well and is a very well-rounded footballer. He also provides the muscle we like to think Vic does.
whelk Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 He's been injured, don't think he's fully recovered. Bench again today
Nordic Saint Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 At his best, in the first 20 minutes vs Spurs, Clasie looked like a frailer version of Ward-Prowse.
Roger Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 At his best, in the first 20 minutes vs Spurs, Clasie looked like a frailer version of Ward-Prowse. Looked much better than ward prowse.
doddisalegend Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 At his best, in the first 20 minutes vs Spurs, Clasie looked like a frailer version of Ward-Prowse. Ha what? He played much better than I've ever seen JWP play...
Convict Colony Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Ha what? He played much better than I've ever seen JWP play... This. JWP is our Jody Morris.
SO16_Saint Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 For the first time this season he showed the potential we hoped he would.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Fantastic performance but again only got through 65 mins until he got cramp. Need him to build up the stamina and strength but there is a tremendous player in there, epitomised by the excellent tackle in the box he made early in the second half.
Suhari Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Very good performance. Covered a lot of ground, was tenacious and played some decent passes. He's finding his feet.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 December, 2015 Author Posted 26 December, 2015 Very good on the pitch, its keeping him there for enough mins thats the issue. A player who hasnt played for a week shouldn't cramp after 65mins. Imagine he will struggle to start on Monday. Thats whats holding him back - the physical element of the league.
DuncanRG Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Outstanding while he was on - proved that midfield is about decision-making, not running mindlessly at the ball against a team which can pass it round you. He knew when to go and when to stay back and block the passes.
Bobbyboy Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 MOTM was Long but the combination-player of Clasie-And-Romeu pushed him close I think.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 December, 2015 Author Posted 26 December, 2015 MOTM was Long but the combination-player of Clasie-And-Romeu pushed him close I think. Wanyama the outstanding midfielder today I think. Although everyone was great.
Poolesaint Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 His best performance by far for saints, they all put in a shift, much needed 3 pts, great win!
Saint_clark Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Wanyama the outstanding midfielder today I think. Although everyone was great. I'm pretty sure he meant Wanyama as Clasie didnt play with Romeu today.
Saints foreva Posted 26 December, 2015 Posted 26 December, 2015 Best game so far. Along with Wanyama having hid best game of the season. Hope they both build onto it.
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