SuperSAINT Posted 24 October, 2015 Share Posted 24 October, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/11953368/.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/11953368/.html Nice read. Unlikely to stop saps on this forum blubbering like babies about why we're not further up the net spend league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 on the sunday supplement. Praising this article by says we buy British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Nice read. Unlikely to stop saps on this forum blubbering like babies about why we're not further up the net spend league. we don't need to spend lots of money when we can pick up good prospects for reasonable fees. It's a fallacy to assume big money means big success. Just look at the money paid out on bad moves like; Liverpool's deals with Torres and Carroll ....and last season's Man.U. fiasco with Di Maria. Historically, many of our most expensive buys have been disasters ...whereas some others.....bought for relatively modest sums have become almost legendary. Now Mane's £12 million signing looks " a real killing " despite the negative response he got in his early games when (someone) on here - compared him to Ali Dia. Interesting point (in article) stating that Osvaldo was outside the club's normal strategy for signing players, and maybe that deal was made to placate Pochettino - who must have thought he could " tame " the wayward Dani, and perhaps Nicola Cortese OK'd the deal on that basis (?). Bad judgement from both men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Read it this morning. I guess this journalist has an inside line to the club because the whole article read a bit like a PR exercise. Not that there is anything wrong with that I like reading nice things about my club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Historically, many of our most expensive buys have been disasters Have they? Since 2012 when Saints signed Jay Rodriguez for £7m and broke the 11 year transfer record set by Rory Delap (£4m in 2001) they have signed the following players for £7m+ Succeses at Saints Rodriguez £7m Wanyama £12.5m Pelle £8m Long £12m Bertrand £10m Lovren £8.5m Tadic £11m Mane £11m Forster £10m Recent signings Clasie £8m van Dijk £13m I think both Clasie and van Dijk will end up green Failures Ramirez £12m Osvaldo £13m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Getting a bit tiresome these sort of articles have been done to death now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Have they? You seem to have missed the word "historically". Usually this means players like Delgado, McLaughlin, even Delap himself. You could also add Forren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 You seem to have missed the word "historically". Usually this means players like Delgado, McLaughlin, even Delap himself. You could also add Forren. Why would you add Forren? He cost at best four million, a decade after we signed Delap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Long isn't a success for 12 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Interesting how they mention Osvaldo being outside of the process. So was it Cortese or Potchetino who signed him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Long isn't a success for 12 million. People keep bringing up Long's price of £12m but for a domestic transfer it isn't out of place. If it was 2004 then £12m would be a lot of money. But it isn't... its 2015 and £12m is the price you have to pay for a striker like Long in the current market. The English to English club transfer market is at the level where if someone has a good season in the Championship clubs start asking for £10m+, so £12m for Long isn't out of place. It will get even more inflated with the new TV deal from 2016 onwards. You seem to have missed the word "historically". Usually this means players like Delgado, McLaughlin, even Delap himself. You could also add Forren. 3 years ago is still historic. I don't see how "big" Saints transfers before the Liebherr takeover are particulary relevant. We have new structures and scouting/recruitment systems in place and of the thirteen £7m or more deals Saints have done only Ramirez and Osvaldo haven't worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Dress it up how you want but 12 million for long is too much. Le tiss even said that to me last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Have they? Failures [color=#ff0000 ]Ramirez £12m Osvaldo £13m [/color] .......being a little "longer in the tooth" than many of the forum..I was thinking back a little longer (historically speaking) ... with the obvious exceptions of those two you mentioned above, the majority of recent purchases have been money well spent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Have they? Since 2012 when Saints signed Jay Rodriguez for £7m and broke the 11 year transfer record set by Rory Delap (£4m in 2001) they have signed the following players for £7m+ Succeses at Saints Rodriguez £7m Wanyama £12.5m Pelle £8m Long £12m Bertrand £10m Lovren £8.5m Tadic £11m Mane £11m Forster £10m Recent signings Clasie £8m van Dijk £13m I think both Clasie and van Dijk will end up green Failures Ramirez £12m Osvaldo £13m How has Long at £12m been a successful signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 (edited) You seem to have missed the word "historically". Usually this means players like Delgado, McLaughlin, even Delap himself. You could also add Forren. 1) I did ........ 2) It does .... there was a time when £4 million meant ..a LOT of money, and it wasn't so long ago many on here were complaining that £7 million for Rodriguez was ridiculous. (Times change and - I am told ) - my (humble) house is worth is now worth twice what it was 10 years ago.....) Shane Long (in his defence) didn't decide on his own fee. We wanted experienced back-up for Pelle and were prepared to offer Hull a price they couldn't refuse. Lovren was only a good deal - after we later sold him for £20 million. Fonte made him look better than he really was, and if he performed for us (as he has for Liverpool) then people would be up in arms...... Edited 25 October, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Long average in that be has done pretty much what he has at every club. Given the choice again I am sure Saints would spend that money elsewhere! Certainly cannot be described as a success with any credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Long average in that be has done pretty much what he has at every club.. .....he rarely started games last season, but featured in many of them as an oncoming sub.. 10 goals last season, 4 so far this. In every game where he scored - we won (except 1 other) which was drawn...... or putting it another way....we have never lost a game when he has scored.... The club wanted cover for (then new signing Pelle).....and Hull couldn't refuse a £12 million offer for a player ....who only cost them £6 million. Therefore it's somewhat unfair to classify him as a £12 million failure, as he didn't fix his own transfer fee, but in the light of other signings it may seem that way. However, if you compare his input with that of Osvaldo and Gaston Ramirez (for a similar fee) ....I'd say he wasn't a waste of money. Few people would suggest that we drop Pelle or Tadic in order to play him instead, but Koeman has said that we need TWO players for every position in the squad, and we just about have that and it's hardly his fault that he isn't picked from the start. He's usually on the bench, and does as he is asked. He does well as an oncoming sub. (as most Irish folk will testify) so we ought to accept that he can DAJFU - when needed. End of . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 25 October, 2015 Share Posted 25 October, 2015 Interesting how they mention Osvaldo being outside of the process. So was it Cortese or Potchetino who signed him?? Perhaps both, but without input from Reed and the scouting team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Am I the only saints fan that are now finding these articles just a bit tedious, having been churned out ad nauseam for the best part of 9 months now. They are just plagiarised vanity puff pieces by wannabe investigative sports journos. Nothing new whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Luke Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 See the attached form the day before. A nice little pop at Liverhampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Long average in that be has done pretty much what he has at every club. Given the choice again I am sure Saints would spend that money elsewhere! Certainly cannot be described as a success with any credibility. Are you saying MLG is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Depends what constitutes a success, if you go by statistics - games started, goals scored probably not. If you enjoy watching him play and he adds to your afternoon's entertainment then yes.If not no. His first half against Villa last season built up a lot of credit with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Perhaps both, but without input from Reed and the scouting team? we were trying to climb the mountain to the Prem., and before we had the " Black Box " I think that Cortese must have had a big say in who we bought in. Maybe not so difficult to find " fairly-good " players who could cut it in L1 .......Papa Weigo, Guly ..later Boruc ...all seemed to have come from Cortese's Italian contacts.... not sure how much input /influence Les might had on those, but perhaps he had more to do with the signings of Antonio and Barnard who looked good - in retrospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Getting a bit tiresome these sort of articles have been done to death now. Jesus who shat in your pocket, u were miserable on the other thread i just read (gaston) and now here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 Have they? Since 2012 when Saints signed Jay Rodriguez for £7m and broke the 11 year transfer record set by Rory Delap (£4m in 2001) they have signed the following players for £7m+ Succeses at Saints Rodriguez £7m Wanyama £12.5m Pelle £8m Long £12m Bertrand £10m Lovren £8.5m Tadic £11m Mane £11m Forster £10m Recent signings Clasie £8m van Dijk £13m I think both Clasie and van Dijk will end up green Failures Ramirez £12m Osvaldo £13m What's the definition of success ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiSaint Posted 26 October, 2015 Share Posted 26 October, 2015 .......being a little "longer in the tooth" than many of the forum..I was thinking back a little longer (historically speaking) ... with the obvious exceptions of those two you mentioned above, the majority of recent purchases have been money well spent.... And we sold Martin Chivers too cheaply.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 27 October, 2015 Share Posted 27 October, 2015 I enjoyed that article and all the others that cast our club in such a good light, but there's something even more satisfying about this one, given the source: http://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10/fsg-witness-merits-southampton-model-liverpool-look-progress/ Sure, we may not be on the same planet as Liverpool in terms of size and stature, but there is an implication behind the article that the route to success may involve much more than just throwing money around - even for a club like Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 October, 2015 Share Posted 27 October, 2015 They are just plagiarised vanity puff pieces by wannabe investigative sports journos. Nothing new whatsoever. Ahh the vanity puff piece cliche. You left out ' lazy' Sam Wallace is such a wannabe. He'll be impressed if you tell him he wrote a puff piece on Twitter although you may not be as original as you might think. There are only so many ways you can write about football and limited based on what actually happens which is often pretty much known to everyone. Lack of coverage would surely annoy you more and not sure how you could put a different angle on the club now that hasn't been done already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 October, 2015 Share Posted 27 October, 2015 (edited) And we sold Martin Chivers too cheaply.... YES....we rarely sold players for more than tea money in that era, and Ted Bates R.I.P. (said in interview) Chivers was the only player he regretted having to sell. the worst part was taking Frank Saul in part-ex. He was famous for his Cup Final goal, but vastly over-rated and definitely over-priced IMO. not the first.... or last time ....Spurs scre*ed us in a transfer deal. Edited 27 October, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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