Everton, Southampton and West ham the premier leagues new middle class

[doddisalegend]

An interesting (IMO) article I saw online and thought I'd share.

 

http://www.just-football.com/2015/10/everton-southampton-west-ham-premier-league-new-middle-class/

[buctootim]

An interesting (IMO) article I saw online and thought I'd share.

 

http://www.just-football.com/2015/10/everton-southampton-west-ham-premier-league-new-middle-class/

 

When Glenn Hoddle was manager he talked about how there were three tiers in the PL. Saints were in the bottom tier (perpetual relegation candidates) and his goal was to become escounced in the second tier. We've made it.

[david in sweden]

wise words from a commentator during Man.City's game last night....

 

.....he mooted the point that UEFA might take away England's fourth CL place .....as English teams have done so poorly in recent seasons.

 

Apparantly the 4th place is a " bonus" to those countries who consistantly perform well in the CL - even if not winning the trophy.

 

In recent seasons very few English teams have got past the group stages...... and it doesn't look so exciting this season - so far.

 

The loss of a 4th place team will really put extra pressure on the " Big Four ", or is it Five, who frantically try to qualify.

 

Maybe becoming a " middle class " team is the next best thing for Saints....at least in the forseeable future.

[VectisSaint]

When Glenn Hoddle was manager he talked about how there were three tiers in the PL. Saints were in the bottom tier (perpetual relegation candidates) and his goal was to become escounced in the second tier. We've made it.

Though no thanks to Hoddle, despite what Dalek might have you believe.

Strange "article", really not much meat on the bones to back up the argument, as is often the case these days with these blog-type writers. There are no real trends or pointers within the group that suggest this is the recipe for middle-class security as the author suggests. It seems too early to me to include Leicester in this middle class, though I anticipate they will cement their place in the not-too-distant future.

[david in sweden]

Though no thanks to Hoddle, despite what Dalek might have you believe.

Strange "article", really not much meat on the bones to back up the argument, as is often the case these days with these blog-type writers. There are no real trends or pointers within the group that suggest this is the recipe for middle-class security as the author suggests.

 

It seems too early to me to include Leicester in this middle class, though I anticipate they will cement their place in the not-too-distant future.

 

 

.Possibly...just as long as Jamie Vardy stays fit....without him they are like a Spurs side without Kane.

[CB Fry]

A bit knee jerk/of the moment that article. Six month ago he wouldn't have put Leicester in there, and they could still conceivably have a terrible second half the season - in the same way that Newcastle or Sunderland under Sam could chug up to tenth or eleventh, as could Villa under someone other than Sherwood.

 

I'd say the middle is slightly gradiated with us at the top and the likes of Sunderland at the bottom but it's only the potential whipping boys of Watford and Bournemouth who aren't in it.

[VectisSaint]

.Possibly...just as long as Jamie Vardy stays fit....without him they are like a Spurs side without Kane.

Surely they would be more like a Spurs side with Kane, i.e. not scoring any goals. Actually don't think Vardy is the key, Mahrez is what is making them tick. Vardy had to have a lot of attempts before he scored twice on Saturday, some of his finishing was woeful (thankfully for Saints).

[dinger]

Hmm, while it's flattering to be perceived in such a good light, that all rings a little bit hollow. Leicester have started the season in good form, but if they don't stop conceding early goals it'll find them out eventually, and it wasn't six months ago that they were nailed on for relegation. So a bit early to include them in any notional 'middle-class' group.

 

As for the criteria offered, if it's mangerial stability, astute transfers and identifiable style... why are Bournemouth not doing better? Why no mention of Saints sacking Adkins? Smacks of the writer just picking the teams currently upper-mid table and cobbling together a 'theory'.

[The9]

wise words from a commentator during Man.City's game last night....

 

.....he mooted the point that UEFA might take away England's fourth CL place .....as English teams have done so poorly in recent seasons.

 

Apparantly the 4th place is a " bonus" to those countries who consistantly perform well in the CL - even if not winning the trophy.

 

In recent seasons very few English teams have got past the group stages...... and it doesn't look so exciting this season - so far.

 

The loss of a 4th place team will really put extra pressure on the " Big Four ", or is it Five, who frantically try to qualify.

 

Maybe becoming a " middle class " team is the next best thing for Saints....at least in the forseeable future.

 

It's 6 teams including Spurs and Liverpool.

 

This possible CL place loss has been news for about 2 years now - if Italy do well and England don't it could happen as soon as the season after next - the points are calculated on a 5 year rolling basis, weighted in favour of recent results.

 

Man U's 2011 final appearance being degraded in terms of points and being replaced by nothing resembling a semi-final appearance since Chelsea won it in 2012, with Juve making last year's final, as well as England not picking up anything past a QF in the Europa League recently, are all factors.

 

Bear in mind also that Saints were all of an early Kevin Friend penalty decision off coming 5th last season. But there's a EL place for winning the League Cup and FA Cup, which is one of the reasons we're focusing on those this season.

[The9]

When Glenn Hoddle was manager he talked about how there were three tiers in the PL. Saints were in the bottom tier (perpetual relegation candidates) and his goal was to become escounced in the second tier. We've made it.

 

We made it in 2003 as well, still got relegated 2 seasons later.

[Redslo]

wise words from a commentator during Man.City's game last night....

 

.....he mooted the point that UEFA might take away England's fourth CL place .....as English teams have done so poorly in recent seasons.

 

Apparantly the 4th place is a " bonus" to those countries who consistantly perform well in the CL - even if not winning the trophy.

 

In recent seasons very few English teams have got past the group stages...... and it doesn't look so exciting this season - so far.

 

The loss of a 4th place team will really put extra pressure on the " Big Four ", or is it Five, who frantically try to qualify.

 

Maybe becoming a " middle class " team is the next best thing for Saints....at least in the forseeable future.

 

The issues is purely a mathematical one based upon performance in Europe (including the Europa League) over the past five years. There is no formal decision making involved. I wrote about it on my blog in June. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/2015/06/englands-coefficient-problems.html

 

Possibly I should do an update but the current numbers can be found here: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html

 

Basically England is ahead of Italy for the 2017-2018 extra Champions League spot purely based upon the good results from 2011-2012. Those good results go away when considering 2018-2019. Also, England is facing something of a disadvantage as this year progresses because England has six clubs still in Europe, but they points they earn are divided by 8 whereas Italy has 5 clubs playing whose points are divided by 6. http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2016.html

 

On the other hand, it is a bit easier to earn points in the Champions League than the Europa League if you can qualify for the knockout round so England has a slight edge there if three or four clubs can progress. This is explained here: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calc.html#details

[Dark Munster]

I thought the middle class is dying?

[david in sweden]

The issues is purely a mathematical one based upon performance in Europe (including the Europa League) over the past five years. There is no formal decision making involved. I wrote about it on my blog in June. http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/2015/06/englands-coefficient-problems.html

 

Possibly I should do an update but the current numbers can be found here: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html

 

Basically England is ahead of Italy for the 2017-2018 extra Champions League spot purely based upon the good results from 2011-2012. Those good results go away when considering 2018-2019. Also, England is facing something of a disadvantage as this year progresses because England has six clubs still in Europe, but they points they earn are divided by 8 whereas Italy has 5 clubs playing whose points are divided by 6. http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2016.html

 

On the other hand, it is a bit easier to earn points in the Champions League than the Europa League if you can qualify for the knockout round so England has a slight edge there if three or four clubs can progress. This is explained here: http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/calc.html#details

 

GULP !.....very impressive stats ......I'm sorry I spoke..... ....and then I take away the number I first thought of -right ? ....or ?

[david in sweden]

I thought the middle class is dying?

 

think it is ...then we are left with the " haves " and the " I want to have more's ".. (the rest will rely on on state benefits.......).

[Redslo]

think it is ...then we are left with the " haves " and the " I want to have more's ".. (the rest will rely on on state benefits.......).[/QUOTE]

 

E.g. West Ham.