Koeman to Holland...(?)

[DT]

Daily Mail reporting that we are 'braced' for the Holland set up to come in for Ron. Talksport, trailing that in their email, say it is a 'huge blow for SFC?', the berks. All in fact pretty speculative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3269588/Southampton-braced-approach-Holland-Ronald-Koeman-Danny-Blind-nears-exit.html

Anyway, could he do both jobs? I'd have no problem with that, and his bro taking charge while he's away.

[ecuk268]

I see Ron as an honourable man who will see out his contract.

[sadoldgit]

He has said clearly that he will see his contract out.

[DT]

Oh yes, contracts. Silly me.

[Saint Charlie]

Dutch FA Director has said today that Blind will remain regardless of what happens tonight so no issue.

 

 

@Elko_B: The director of the Dutch FA has announced Danny Blind will remain Netherlands manager - even if the Dutch are eliminated tonight

[DT]

Hooray! Daily Mail stories last around half as long as a bag of chips

[supersonic]

Why does anyone believe anything Journalists say?

[ericofarabia]

Next up more re hashing of Vic to Spurs and Mane to Man U no doubt.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I know the club likes to take the dignified silence route when dealing with press speculation but it does seem like the press find it remarkably easy to target the club with stories like this. Wouldn't mind seeing the club fight back a little at all if possible.

[hasper57saint]

I think maybe the Club are a little bit 'above it' and ignore s.h.i.t.e. Like this.

[sadoldgit]

Oh yes, contracts. Silly me.

 

So you think he is lying then?

[trousers]

Hooray! Daily Mail stories last around half as long as a bag of chips

 

Apart from their stories about pigs...

[trousers]

Anyway, we shouldn't fear losing the manager given recent history. We know that the next one will always be a decent replacement.

[Pilchards]

Koeman has always honored a contract and it would be amazing if we got him to sign an extension.

 

The newspapers reports will be Jayrod to so and so when he starts scoring.

[eelpie]

Hooray! Daily Mail stories last around half as long as a bag of chips

 

..... last as long as chips wrapped up in a dirty newspaper

[SW5 SAINT]

So you think he is lying then?

 

Well, it has been known for people in the football world not to complete their contracts...........

[angelman]

I know the club likes to take the dignified silence route when dealing with press speculation but it does seem like the press find it remarkably easy to target the club with stories like this. Wouldn't mind seeing the club fight back a little at all if possible.

 

Problem is, if a paper wants a story, knows that the club will rise like a tame trout, they can print whatever ballcocks they want knowing they'll get a reply and then they can twist it as they want. Selective quoting is the usual one. Having said that, I do agree with you though. There are ways of doing it that are unofficial in nature but are the official line.

 

I think maybe the Club are a little bit 'above it' and ignore s.h.i.t.e. Like this.

 

Yes, you might be right. But taking the moral high ground never really does anyone much good.

[alpine_saint]

I really wonder what the f**king problem the DM has with us is....

[James]

Unsurprising that this came from the Daily Mail. They really don't like us do they? Is the sports editor a Pompey fan?

[angelman]

Do you think we "suffer" any worse than any other team on the pages of the Mail? Well, exclude Liverpool and Manchester United in particular, and the other big teams. Looking at today's footie section it is hard to get past them creaming themselves over Klopp and England and there is very little club news.

 

Apart from the negative article about Koeman, there is the positive one about JWP. There's a bit about Fat Sam and then there is this..........http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3270324/Alan-Pardew-naive-signing-Yohan-Cabaye-Crystal-Palace-backed-patchy-manager-big-money-player.html

 

Now compared to the article about Koeman, this is a nasty vindictive piece, written by chief-**** Durham

[The9]

He has said clearly that he will see his contract out.

 

Clearly and repeatedly. If there was any possibility of him taking the Dutch job whilst under contract to Saints he wouldn't have openly dismissed the possibility numerous times.

 

He also has little to gain by doing it - there's more money than ever in the Prem and he's in the position to negotiate a new deal with the new TV money next year (or go somewhere else when his contract is up for more money too if that's what he wants), and the Dutch team is so poor at the moment he might think someone else needs to get them back to their normal levels before he considers taking over.

 

If there's one thing that'll ruin a reputation unjustifiably it's a national team that's already at an all-time low and with which you get little time to coach and can't replace the players with better ones unless they already exist and inexplicably aren't being picked.

[John Boy Saint]

Talking to Dutch Friends in the summer, one thing they said was Holland and the team was ready for Koeman. Koeman was ready for Holland but the KNVB had other ideas and went in a surprising direction. Koeman was pretty upset as good money was on him to get the job after the miracle of Feynoord. He made it known he was interested but they cast him aside, the Dutch are a bit stubborn in somethings and as much as he wants the job he will turn it down as they had their chance and why should he go and clean up their mess......... The fact that Danny Blind got the job also shows the stubbornness is working the other way "if we get Koeman in now we will look stupid".

 

If what fellow countrymen said is true then I can live with that......... And get his contract extended pronto

[simo]

I wonder how many times Ron has to to say that he'll honour his contract before the media stop this bullocks?

[angelman]

I guess it's a little different from our previous manager who said that he had a contract and didn't see what all the fuss was about to extend it, to then bugger off at the first opportunity.

[melmacian_saint]

In any case, the Blind family's rise in football is a case of cronyism that is extremely unheard of in a country like the Netherlands. I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of him regardless of what they say.

[The9]

I guess it's a little different from our previous manager who said that he had a contract and didn't see what all the fuss was about to extend it, to then bugger off at the first opportunity.

 

Which is exactly what Clyne, Lallana et al were saying. Not something akin to "I am definitely staying for the duration of my contract and not interested in leaving".

[Toomer]

I really wonder what the f**king problem the DM has with us is....

 

Cortese

[CB Fry]

Do you think we "suffer" any worse than any other team on the pages of the Mail? Well, exclude Liverpool and Manchester United in particular, and the other big teams. Looking at today's footie section it is hard to get past them creaming themselves over Klopp and England and there is very little club news.

 

Apart from the negative article about Koeman, there is the positive one about JWP. There's a bit about Fat Sam and then there is this..........http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3270324/Alan-Pardew-naive-signing-Yohan-Cabaye-Crystal-Palace-backed-patchy-manager-big-money-player.html

 

Now compared to the article about Koeman, this is a nasty vindictive piece, written by chief-**** Durham

Of course we don't suffer any more than any other club.

 

Just paranoid dins on here.

[Daft Kerplunk]

Koeman will go to Holland soon...to see his friends and family

[redder freak]

On recent performance the club will be managing this risk effectively. No one's indispensable.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

Daily Mail reporting that we are 'braced' for the Holland set up to come in for Ron. Talksport, trailing that in their email, say it is a 'huge blow for SFC?', the berks. All in fact pretty speculative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3269588/Southampton-braced-approach-Holland-Ronald-Koeman-Danny-Blind-nears-exit.html

Anyway, could he do both jobs? I'd have no problem with that, and his bro taking charge while he's away.

Wouldn't that be like managing Hampshire - surely he'd hold on for the Netherlands job when it become available?!

[Convict Colony]

I can confirm the dutch love Koeman.

[buctootim]

No-one good is going to want the Dutch job now - out of Europe and nothing to look forward to. I imagine they'll keep Blind on until next Summer and appoint someone new then to take over for the WC qualification.

[Convict Colony]

No-one good is going to want the Dutch job now - out of Europe and nothing to look forward to. I imagine they'll keep Blind on until next Summer and appoint someone new then to take over for the WC qualification.

 

They already said Blind continues no matter what, the best thing is I can take the **** out of every dutchman I know.

[Saint Charlie]

Surely they can't keep Blind in reality? Country would go mad. They need change, although for Koeman there is no need to rush.

 

Start of next qualifying it may be a different story. Reckon Blind will go (may even resign) with an interim Manager until that point at which better candidates may make themselves available.

[John Boy Saint]

Surely they can't keep Blind in reality? Country would go mad. They need change, although for Koeman there is no need to rush.

 

Start of next qualifying it may be a different story. Reckon Blind will go (may even resign) with an interim Manager until that point at which better candidates may make themselves available.

Thing is Blind came into a bit of a pickle, I can't see them binning him off so quickly, bit like Woy after the Italian buzzed off.

[BlakeySFC]

Why does anyone believe the Daily Fail?

[Fan The Flames]

So you think he is lying then?

 

So you think someone can't change their mind.

[scotty]

So you think someone can't change their mind.

 

No, he thinks that RK means what he has repeatedly said, which is clearly and unambiguously that he will complete his contract here. I tend to agree with that viewpoint. Of course, he could change his mind, but imo it would take some sort of disastrous breakdown between him and the board for that to happen.

[eelpie]

Why would Ronald take the Dutch job -if it were offered. They are out of Europe.

[saint-crinny]

Saw a piece from Boateng slating the Dutch FA for not getting Koeman on board after Van Gaal and saying he would be the perfect for the job. But he went on to say that he knows Koeman wouldn't take it now, and that if he leaves us it will be for a "big" premier league club.

 

Think it was on Sky?

[van Hanegem]

Surely they can't keep Blind in reality? Country would go mad. They need change, although for Koeman there is no need to rush.

 

Start of next qualifying it may be a different story. Reckon Blind will go (may even resign) with an interim Manager until that point at which better candidates may make themselves available.

 

Oh yes, we're ****ed off with Blind and the Dutch FA but Bert van Oostveen from the Dutch FA is responsible for having Blind as manager (and Hiddink before him) and when he sacks Blind he has to go himself too. Not going to happen right now but when the national team keeps losing the friendly games too (Holland will be a nice sparring partner for countries who qualified for the EC) things will change and then it will be the right moment for someone like Koeman. Things can only get better for the Dutch team after this misery and there's still enough potential to turn things around. Remember that this nearly very same team became 3rd at the WC in Brazil last year... Koeman would change tactics (he already said he doesn't hold on to the "Dutch School" like Blind and Hiddink did when he doesn't have the right players) and he would get the right players behind him to execute his plans. But first this van Oostveen fellow has to move as Koeman feels this guy has done him wrong and they will have to wait till Koeman's contract at Southampton has ended. And off course there might come an offer from a big club he can't refuse...

[Batman]

I think Koeman would leave for holland the moment they came calling and the job was available.

regardless of what he says about not going anywhere.

 

why wouldnt he

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I think Koeman would leave for holland the moment they came calling and the job was available.

regardless of what he says about not going anywhere.

 

why wouldnt he

 

He was a contender for the job in the summer of 2014 and the Dutch FA went in another direction. He has since improved his managerial standing with his work at Saints to the point that he is being linked with Barcelona.

 

Whilst I think he would of course like to manage Holland the timing isn't right for him. I don't think it is a given he leaves to join them should the role be made available. In addition he has been very critical of Dutch football in general recently and he may feel he doesn't have the tools to succeed with the national team at this moment in time.

[The9]

I think Koeman would leave for holland the moment they came calling and the job was available.

regardless of what he says about not going anywhere.

 

why wouldnt he

 

Because when given the option to couch his answer in those terms and NOT say he was committed to Saints for the duration of his contract he instead, completely unprovoked, chose not to give himself the option of "weasel words" and outright say he will not be leaving. If there was the remotest possibility he might not do that he'd have given himself an "out".

[Batman]

He was a contender for the job in the summer of 2014 and the Dutch FA went in another direction. He has since improved his managerial standing with his work at Saints to the point that he is being linked with Barcelona.

 

Whilst I think he would of course like to manage Holland the timing isn't right for him. I don't think it is a given he leaves to join them should the role be made available. In addition he has been very critical of Dutch football in general recently and he may feel he doesn't have the tools to succeed with the national team at this moment in time.

 

Marcel van der kramp (or who ever he is) is just on the H+J show saying there was and still is a big wish for Ronald for the job and Blind will do well to keep himself in the position at the mo

 

I doubt that finishing midtable and going out in the qualifiers of the euro league is good enough for barcelona

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Marcel van der kramp (or who ever he is) is just on the H+J show saying there was and still is a big wish for Ronald for the job and Blind will do well to keep himself in the position at the mo

 

I doubt that finishing midtable and going out in the qualifiers of the euro league is good enough for barcelona

 

The Dutch FA could make him a great offer he can't turn down, but he won't go crawling to them at the first opportunity they show any interest. He's hardly publicly positioned himself for the role over the last 12 months has he? If anything he has been very critical in a way someone can if they don't want the job.

 

EDIT: And the current Barcelona Manager finished midtable with his previous club and got the gig.

[Batman]

The Dutch FA could make him a great offer he can't turn down' date=' but he won't go crawling to them at the first opportunity they show any interest. He's hardly publicly positioned himself for the role over the last 12 months has he? If anything he has been very critical in a way someone can if they don't want the job.[/quote']

 

of course he will not go crawling to them. he will also distance himself from any speculation about a job that is not actually available.

if they sack Blind and ask Ronald, he will leave to take it IMO. Can't see why he wouldn't

[Lallana's Left Peg]

of course he will not go crawling to them. he will also distance himself from any speculation about a job that is not actually available.

if they sack Blind and ask Ronald, he will leave to take it IMO. Can't see why he wouldn't

 

Let me ask the question: Why would he?

[van Hanegem]

I think Koeman would leave for holland the moment they came calling and the job was available.

regardless of what he says about not going anywhere.

 

why wouldnt he

 

Koeman used to say that "you have to jump on the train when it comes along" in the past so he left some clubs before the ending of his contract. However, he acknowledged that this harmed his reputation and his career was a bit at a dead end before he joined Feyenoord. He stayed for three years and left with a very good feeling about getting things done. With this experience in mind he won't break his contract as easily as before but off course that might be different when he gets a mega offer from a different club and the Saints go along. Such an offer won't come from the Dutch FA right now as I explained above. Besides, the Dutch FA doesn't pay that the wages he can earn in the PL or in Spain. If he does take the job at the Dutch FA it will be for the honour and his reputation.