hassan kachloul Posted 18 August, 2018 Share Posted 18 August, 2018 or Long? It seemed like Long was going to Scotland a couple of weeks ago, and SPL can still sign players. It may be that the deal stalled because Saints could not get his replacement (Ings). Now they have the deal could be resolved. Ings and Long are very similar and it seems more likely that Ings replaces Long than Sam. More likely the deal has stalled because Celtic didn't qualify for the Champions League this week, and so can't afford Long. Don't think any other club in Scotland could come close to covering his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 August, 2018 Share Posted 18 August, 2018 More likely the deal has stalled because Celtic didn't qualify for the Champions League this week, and so can't afford Long. Don't think any other club in Scotland could come close to covering his wages. You’d have thought we’d be happy to subsidise wages to get some of these players off our books, like we have with Carrillo and Boufal. Better to sell Forster, Long and Davis and pay half the wages of the reminder of their contracts, than have them sitting here doing sod all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 August, 2018 Share Posted 18 August, 2018 More likely the deal has stalled because Celtic didn't qualify for the Champions League this week, and so can't afford Long. Don't think any other club in Scotland could come close to covering his wages. The deal, if there was one stalled long before Celtic's European demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 August, 2018 Share Posted 18 August, 2018 or Long? It seemed like Long was going to Scotland a couple of weeks ago, and SPL can still sign players. It may be that the deal stalled because Saints could not get his replacement (Ings). Now they have the deal could be resolved. Ings and Long are very similar and it seems more likely that Ings replaces Long than Sam. Is there any credible evidence for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 18 August, 2018 Share Posted 18 August, 2018 Long on the bench today , No Gallagher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 19 August, 2018 Share Posted 19 August, 2018 https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sheffield-united-priced-out-of-move-for-premier-league-striker/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 August, 2018 Share Posted 19 August, 2018 https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sheffield-united-priced-out-of-move-for-premier-league-striker/ So we value him at in excess of £8m ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 19 August, 2018 Share Posted 19 August, 2018 So we value him at in excess of £8m ? Would suggest that he is actually kind of for sale, Hughes has otherwise intimated that both Gallagher and Long are very much part of his first team plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 20 August, 2018 Share Posted 20 August, 2018 MH praises Sam yet doesn't include him in the matchday squad's - actions speak louder than words, Mark. Beginning to look as if he will go on a late loan. Hope Hughes give him some time against Leicester then realises he should stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 20 August, 2018 Share Posted 20 August, 2018 (edited) Would suggest that he is actually kind of for sale, Hughes has otherwise intimated that both Gallagher and Long are very much part of his first team plans. ..... Edit - scrub that, I've just seen the source is Alan Nixon. Edited 20 August, 2018 by Faz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 October, 2018 Share Posted 2 October, 2018 Bizarre that he wasn't even on the bench tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 October, 2018 Share Posted 2 October, 2018 Injured Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 2 October, 2018 Share Posted 2 October, 2018 Disappointing getting injured the day before the game if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 2 October, 2018 Share Posted 2 October, 2018 Yeh seen a few people say he was injured. A shame that, hopefully it's not too serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 October, 2018 Share Posted 3 October, 2018 Disappointing getting injured the day before the game if true. Probably through putting in too much effort trying to be noticed ahead of players who either can’t hit a cows backside with a Banjo and the other who looks bloody knackered after 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 3 October, 2018 Share Posted 3 October, 2018 Probably through putting in too much effort trying to be noticed ahead of players who either can’t hit a cows backside with a Banjo and the other who looks bloody knackered after 20 minutes. just imagine too much effort..........we have a certain Mr.Long that does that and gets picked.......priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Is Sam still injured? Find it strange he hasn’t been given a chance alongside Ings yet, considering the woes of our other forwards. He has the physical profile that would suit the current formation the most out of the other three options, but no sign he’s anywhere near the first team. Would happily get rid of Long and Austin in Jan (as we should’ve done in the summer) but expect Gallagher will be the most likely to go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Is Sam still injured? Find it strange he hasn’t been given a chance alongside Ings yet, considering the woes of our other forwards. He has the physical profile that would suit the current formation the most out of the other three options, but no sign he’s anywhere near the first team. Would happily get rid of Long and Austin in Jan (as we should’ve done in the summer) but expect Gallagher will be the most likely to go. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Played for the U23s last week, so not injured. Didn't have a good game though, subbed off early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 (edited) Played for the U23s last week, so not injured. Didn't have a good game though, subbed off early. You could hardly blame him for being less than enthused (If that were the case). Pretty certain he got a renewed contract recently keeping him here until 2021(?). Same old inert strikers being named in the squad for first team games pointlessly running about the pitch or cluttering up the bench. I certainly would be bloody frustrated and slightly lacking in motivation. Just be good to see him given a run out and given as much of chance as Messrs Long and Austin have underservedly enjoyed. Edited 31 October, 2018 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 You hardly blame him for being less than enthused (If that were the case). Pretty certain he got a renewed contract recently keeping him here until 2021(?). Same old inert strikers being named in the squad for first team games pointlessly running about the pitch or cluttering up the bench. I certainly would be bloody frustrated and slightly lacking in motivation. Just be good to see him given a run out and given as much of chance as Messrs Long and Austin have underservedly enjoyed. Exactly. I don't think anyone has suggested that he is going to be a new star striker and wow us all. We'd just be happy to have a couple of average strikers up front that will score one maybe just every three, even four games. That's better than we are using now and seeing as he's already at the club, better to try him that splash out on another Carrilo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 You could hardly blame him for being less than enthused (If that were the case). Pretty certain he got a renewed contract recently keeping him here until 2021(?). Same old inert strikers being named in the squad for first team games pointlessly running about the pitch or cluttering up the bench. I certainly would be bloody frustrated and slightly lacking in motivation. Just be good to see him given a run out and given as much of chance as Messrs Long and Austin have underservedly enjoyed. He gets the chance every single day in training. You seem to imply that it’s no big deal he wasn’t enthused playing for the development squad. Personally, I think that just reinforces Hughes decision, bloke whose done **** all in the game not enthused because it’s not a first team game, shocking. At the end of the day, if he was anywhere near ready to play, he’d have been in given the duds we’ve got. The fact he’s not is because he’s nowhere near good enough at the moment. Instead of wondering why he’s not playing, you should be wondering how poor he must be that Austin, Long & Gabbi are seen as a better bet at the moment. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 You could hardly blame him for being less than enthused (If that were the case). Pretty certain he got a renewed contract recently keeping him here until 2021(?). Same old inert strikers being named in the squad for first team games pointlessly running about the pitch or cluttering up the bench. I certainly would be bloody frustrated and slightly lacking in motivation. Just be good to see him given a run out and given as much of chance as Messrs Long and Austin have underservedly enjoyed. I agree with you, JBS. He was likely told this was to be his breakthrough season, so signed the new contract and readied himself for first team action. Only now it is hitting him he won't be seeing first team action, and the Club aren't letting go anywhere else, so his career is stalling. No wonder he couldn't muster the energy for the U23s. Play him or release him time. I say "play him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 He gets the chance every single day in training. You seem to imply that it’s no big deal he wasn’t enthused playing for the development squad. Personally, I think that just reinforces Hughes decision, bloke whose done **** all in the game not enthused because it’s not a first team game, shocking. At the end of the day, if he was anywhere near ready to play, he’d have been in given the duds we’ve got. The fact he’s not is because he’s nowhere near good enough at the moment. Instead of wondering why he’s not playing, you should be wondering how poor he must be that Austin, Long & Gabbi are seen as a better bet at the moment. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk It's because MH would rather keep playing the duds in the mistaken belief that given time the duds will start scoring. The biggest fools are those that don't learn from experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 He gets the chance every single day in training. This is how I feel too. He has a chance every day to impress. If he was banging them in at training and doing more than Austin, Long, Gabbi and Ings then Hughes would surely give him a chance like any sane person would. Clearly he isn't doing enough to warrant a place. Easier to assume Hughes is just stubborn and stupid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 It's because MH would rather keep playing the duds in the mistaken belief that given time the duds will start scoring. The biggest fools are those that don't learn from experience. Exactly this, not just duds but experienced duds. Hughes is not prepared to take a chance, he just wants to persist with Austin, Gabbi and Long in the foolish misbelief that they will eventually come good. No one thinks Gallagher is the answer to whatever the question is, but at least give him a proper go in a proper match (maybe Man City is not the time or the place), he may not do any better than the current crew, but then neither could he do any worse. At least given the opportunity we will know, otherwise what was the point in keeping him at St Mary's when we could have eiither loaned him out again or sold him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Hughes has zero track record of being interested in Young players. I doubt its got anything to do with performance in training and everything to do with the Chicken/Egg scenario where he thinks playing a dud in long who's had 200 premier league games is safer than taking a risk on a player who has played a handful of premier league games in 13/14. He impressed off the bench in his single appearance in the league cup and then then didn't even make the bench as hughes preferred his experienced duds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Done his hamstring again in training. Out for about 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Will Hughes even bother to mention this or will he blithely state he has no injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Hughes has zero track record of being interested in Young players. I doubt its got anything to do with performance in training and everything to do with the Chicken/Egg scenario where he thinks playing a dud in long who's had 200 premier league games is safer than taking a risk on a player who has played a handful of premier league games in 13/14. He impressed off the bench in his single appearance in the league cup and then then didn't even make the bench as hughes preferred his experienced duds. See that a few of the u23s are taking part in first team training, shame if Sam has done his hammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 If that is true then that is rotten luck for Sam. I wanted him to get another opportunity after his cameo performance at Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 2 November, 2018 Share Posted 2 November, 2018 What a shock. Hughes tells echo that everyone is fit and well. So has useless Hughes just forgotten Sam even exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 4 November, 2018 Share Posted 4 November, 2018 What a shock. Hughes tells echo that everyone is fit and well. So has useless Hughes just forgotten Sam even exists?I think you might be getting overly worked up about this. Sam hasn't really been part of the first team so far his season so why would Hughes mention it? He probably just wanted an easy answer to a basic question rather than detailing all the injuries our reserve team have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 4 November, 2018 Share Posted 4 November, 2018 It's because MH would rather keep playing the duds in the mistaken belief that given time the duds will start scoring. The biggest fools are those that don't learn from experience. As Einstein put it : "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 4 November, 2018 Share Posted 4 November, 2018 As Einstein put it : "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results" If we got the same results I could make a killing at the bookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 November, 2018 Share Posted 22 November, 2018 Still out for a number of weeks according to Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Pleased he got some minutes today. How did he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Pleased he got some minutes today. How did he do?He was a body. Challenged for some headers. Closed down defenders. That was it - we'd already stopped playing by the time he came on. I wouldn't even say he was feeding on scraps. What's less than scraps? Dust? Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 He was a body. Challenged for some headers. Closed down defenders. That was it - we'd already stopped playing by the time he came on. I wouldn't even say he was feeding on scraps. What's less than scraps? Dust? Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Nice charge down on the keeper, some solid defensive work. Should have perhaps done more in the last minute when Stephens mistake gave him the ball. Redmond was utterly selfish too when we got a rare attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Difficult to judge him really as we were all over the place when he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Difficult to judge him really as we were all over the place when he came on. Might get some more minutes against Liverpool if Long is still injured & Ings can't play in that one. Suddenly he's 2nd choice striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Doesn’t look like he’s improved in the air since he played 4/5 years ago. If we were going to use him as a target man, Austin would have been a better bet. Gallager’s much more mobile yet we rarely hit balls down the channels for him to chase and stretch Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Doesn’t look like he’s improved in the air since he played 4/5 years ago. If we were going to use him as a target man, Austin would have been a better bet. Gallager’s much more mobile yet we rarely hit balls down the channels for him to chase and stretch Brighton. He's just so short of minutes, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Having been an admirer of him, have to say he needs to move on. He is not a good fit for us unfortunately, and we are not for him. I am sure he will do well elsewhere - possibly a high Championship side. We moved on Gabbi, so do we really think Sam is better? Keeping him on gives fans, club and Sam false hopes and prevents the path for other potential academy hopefuls. Best option for all sides IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Having been an admirer of him, have to say he needs to move on. He is not a good fit for us unfortunately, and we are not for him. I am sure he will do well elsewhere - possibly a high Championship side. We moved on Gabbi, so do we really think Sam is better? Keeping him on gives fans, club and Sam false hopes and prevents the path for other potential academy hopefuls. Best option for all sides IMHO. I do wonder if when the summer comes around that we find out he's actually one of our more sell-able assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Cream rises to the top, I don't think he'll make the grade with us. Given his wages I suspect we'll struggle to find a buyer in the Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 As mentioned above, appears to be second choice striker now for the short term. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was a warm up for him starting at Liverpool. Ralph likes to throw players in the deep end and he’d be much more of a nuisance than Austin in that game, as Austin hardly touched the ball against Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Was absolutely magnificent. Looks to be the complete forward, great in the air, pace, power, great touch. It was obvious why Birmingham fans loved him and so many championship clubs wanted him. The new Marco Van Basten. I can see why his cause has been championed by certain posters for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Was absolutely magnificent. Looks to be the complete forward, great in the air, pace, power, great touch. It was obvious why Birmingham fans loved him and so many championship clubs wanted him. The new Marco Van Basten. I can see why his cause has been championed by certain posters for so long.All he has needed is a fair run in the team. Say, thirty or forty consecutive Premier League starts to show he truly is world class like what his mum says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 Did nothing when he came on. League one standard at best. No doubt we pay him £40k a week though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 30 March, 2019 Share Posted 30 March, 2019 I thought he was pretty poor actually. Gave the ball away easily and did nothing. Looked a little like Long a few matches ago when he couldn't control the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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