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CHAPEL END CHARLIE

CHAPEL END CHARLIE

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More signs of a UK economy not exactly in crisis - all data gathered from recent official statistics:

 

• Inflation = stable at just 0.3%.

• Unemployment = down to 5% of available workforce.

• Employment = still at a record high of 72.4%.

• Earnings = rising by 2.3%.

• Exports = up by 11.2% (a new record).

• GDP = up by 0.4% in the last quarter.

• Manufacturing Output = up 2.3% in April (the biggest rise in 4 years).

• Retail Sales = up 0.9% in May.

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Batman

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Is there the repost possibility that you could either use your own brain to debate or if that is to difficult please stop posting link after link, many of which are horses**t.

 

what is there to debate. are you possibly going to change your mind? Is Tim, CeC? absolutely no chance. Likewise for me, I have already voted

 

This thread has been nothing but pointless shyte and point scoring with one set of Google searches v Someone else's

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CB Fry

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what is there to debate. are you possibly going to change your mind? Is Tim, CeC? absolutely no chance. Likewise for me, I have already voted

 

This thread has been nothing but pointless shyte and point scoring.

I think the only person on this thread claiming to be undecided was Trousers.

 

So screw the actual vote. The undisputed winner of this thread will be decided when Lord T comes out for his chosen side.

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buctootim

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what is there to debate. are you possibly going to change your mind? Is Tim, CeC? absolutely no chance. Likewise for me, I have already voted

 

This thread has been nothing but pointless shyte and point scoring with one set of Google searches v Someone else's

 

You know I was genuinely undecided at the start of the campaign. What has made me absolutely certain to now vote remain is dealing with the leavers, like you.

 

Sure dodgy Dave and Osborne have come out with extremely dubious predictions - but at least they are only opinions. The way the leave camp have actively knowingly lied about the EU is another thing entirely. Brexiteers - mostly, not all - want to indulge their prejudices unencumbered by awkward facts. There is now no way I could line up and vote Brexit alongside such a bunch of utter tosspots.

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You know I was genuinely undecided at the start of the campaign. What has made me absolutely certain to now vote remain is dealing with the leavers, like you.

 

Sure dodgy Dave and Osborne have come out with extremely dubious predictions - but at least they are only opinions. The way the leave camp have actively knowingly lied about the EU is another thing entirely. Brexiteers - mostly, not all - want to indulge their prejudices unencumbered by awkward facts. There is now no way I could line up and vote Brexit alongside such a bunch of utter tosspots.

 

:lol:

 

then how come back in October you said this (post number 31 on this very thread)

 

I'll vote to stay in, the benefits are huge

 

and consistently argue to remain from that post on (till today where you are saying you were undecided)

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buctootim

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:lol:

 

then how come back in October you said this (post number 31 on this very thread)

 

 

 

and consistently argue to remain from that post on (till today where you are saying you were undecided)

 

That was October last year, not the start of the campaign. As I said in that post "immigration is too high".

 

Is there really nothing you get right?

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That was October last year, not the start of the campaign. As I said in that post "immigration is too high".

 

Is there really nothing you get right?

 

of course, you changed your mind from definitely in to being undecided...of course you did

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Wes Tender

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of course, you changed your mind from definitely in to being undecided...of course you did

 

He's got a dose of Dodgy Daveitus. Dave was happy to contemplate campaigning to Leave the EU not long before he failed to get the concessions he demanded before he then called the Referendum, claiming that he had won those reforms.

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Interesting to see how today's ifs report is being spun. Sky news reporting its not as bad as previous. BBC reporting it's armageddon.

 

Of course is also become apparent that BBC currently gets 3 million euro from the EU...

 

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The 4am headline on the BBC News website was that the IMF reports that Brexit will not lead to a recession in the UK. That was changed by 6am when the boss got up.

 

I expect the night shift editor got a rollicking.

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People who vote to remain better understand that they are voting to be part of a European super state; with one foreign policy, one army, and a political elite that control their lives but that they can never vote out of power.

 

All the while it will suck more and more of each nation state's independence, powers and industries away.

 

It is the socialist dream and people are either sleep walking into voting for it because they don't see it coming, actually want it(?!?!?!), or naively think we can just "get out" before it gets that bad.

 

We should be getting out now and build our links with the rest of the world. The commonwealth alone is a 3rd of the worlds population ffs, we have far more in common with all of those nations and they represent a far wider market range rather than the sick man of global markets in the EU. Madness to stick with Europe whilst it drags us down and then end up leaving when we'll be in a far poorer position to do so.

 

I don't if its fear, apathy, or just mass lefties. But I hope to god the country votes out.

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melmacian_saint

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You are right about many people in the UK and Europe being unaware of what the roadmap is for Europe, or at least not actually believing that some of those steps will be implemented. I do think that the time for that is past: Europe will fragment, and sadly I think that it will affect the current predicament of many of its countries.

 

But let's just think of the Commonwealth. Most of them are emerging economies that rely on low value added exports, others are developed nations that face the same challenges as the UK, except with smaller consumer markets, though perhaps with the ability of disguise their probems thanks to having larger pools of natural resources.

 

Overall, however, it's a group of countries with massive shortcomings, except for CANZ, regions of the South of Africa and couple of others. Would we benefit from being closer to these economically than to the high value networks we have with some regions of Europe?

 

I'm not saying we would not be able of having both, but I just don't see how one would argue a stronger economic case over the other.

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Wes Tender

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Of all the claims , counter claims , lies , propaganda and outright bs from both sides , the funniest one is Tim claiming he was " undecided"

 

It is amusing, isn't it? I can't ever recall any post from Tim where he was not wholly for remaining. Also, I was under the impression that he was employed as a director of some Charity organisation, but now it turns out that his job is involved with the Fisheries Industry in some way. Perhaps there is a Charitable Foundation he works for supporting Fishermen's families on the breadline because the EU has decimated their industry.

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330,000 immigrants plus illegals. NHS and GP waiting times unacceptable. Health tourists having treatment needing reimbursement £1 for every £14 we pay for our citizens in the EU no wonder the worm has turned. Helped of course by Cameron, Osborne and all those foreigners they have recruited to scare the voters who see right through them. I'm looking forward to them being forced out.

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330,000 immigrants plus illegals. NHS and GP waiting times unacceptable. Health tourists having treatment needing reimbursement £1 for every £14 we pay for our citizens in the EU no wonder the worm has turned. Helped of course by Cameron, Osborne and all those foreigners they have recruited to scare the voters who see right through them. I'm looking forward to them being forced out.

 

You mean those EU immigrants that are younger, more educated, more likely to be employed and less likely to claim benefits than people born in the UK? You mean those immigrants that pay more in taxes than they take out in welfare and consume in public services? You mean those immigrants that are offsetting the decline in labour supply due to an ageing populating and mean that the UK is less likely to face the same growth slowdown that is confronting other advanced economies?

 

You mean those immigrants? Thanks for clarifying pal.

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Love the way immigrants seem to be the sole blame for the ailing NHS rather than the constant restructuring, ageing pop and fckers not seeming to know how to eat and exercise properly.

I look forward to having a personal relationship with my GP , phoning them up for advice and them calling me in immediately shou do I wish when we leave the EU and return to our Utopian Health service.

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Love the way immigrants seem to be the sole blame for the ailing NHS rather than the constant restructuring, ageing pop and fckers not seeming to know how to eat and exercise properly.

I look forward to having a personal relationship with my GP , phoning them up for advice and them calling me in immediately shou do I wish when we leave the EU and return to our Utopian Health service.

 

with a city the bigger than southampton to be built next year. better cut the Nurse and Doctor training schemes to less than 12 months long then

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CHAPEL END CHARLIE

CHAPEL END CHARLIE

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330,000 immigrants plus illegals. NHS and GP waiting times unacceptable. Health tourists having treatment needing reimbursement £1 for every £14 we pay for our citizens in the EU no wonder the worm has turned. Helped of course by Cameron, Osborne and all those foreigners they have recruited to scare the voters who see right through them. I'm looking forward to them being forced out.

 

Even if we ignore the significant role foreign born staff play in running the NHS, research shows that in areas where significant numbers of immigrants live then GP waiting times may actualy be reduced somewhat as they are (on average) a younger and healthier population that requires less medical attention.

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/immigration-may-reduce-the-time-you-wait-to-see-the-doctor/

 

Not that I expect mere evidence to change anyone's mind at this stage of course.

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Even if we ignore the significant role foreign born staff play in running the NHS, research shows that in areas where significant numbers of immigrants live then GP waiting times may actualy be reduced somewhat as they are (on average) a younger and healthier population that requires less medical attention.

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/immigration-may-reduce-the-time-you-wait-to-see-the-doctor/

 

Not that I expect mere evidence to change anyone's mind at this stage of course.

they just clog up A and E instead?

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Even if we ignore the significant role foreign born staff play in running the NHS, research shows that in areas where significant numbers of immigrants live then GP waiting times may actualy be reduced somewhat as they are (on average) a younger and healthier population that requires less medical attention.

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/immigration-may-reduce-the-time-you-wait-to-see-the-doctor/

 

Not that I expect mere evidence to change anyone's mind at this stage of course.

 

It will take more than that to convince me that 300,000 more people turning up every year will mean better access to public services I'm afraid. That's just looks to me like economists playing around with stats, I prefer to listen to the people actually in the industry who know what thy are talking about.

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It will take more than that to convince me that 300,000 more people turning up every year will mean better access to public services I'm afraid. That's just looks to me like economists playing around with stats, I prefer to listen to the people actually in the industry who know what thy are talking about.

 

Does this person "actually in the industry" know what he's talking about?

 

NHS chief says Brexit would be dangerous for health service

 

http://gu.com/p/4jf5x?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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I see the media are making sure they get their worth out of the MPs death for the remain agenda. So much for no politicising it.

 

as said before, getting all a bit princes di with the coverage

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I see the media are making sure they get their worth out of the MPs death and the remain agenda. So much for no politicising it.

 

as said before, getting all a bit princes di with the coverage

 

A desperately negative, bitter campaign from start to finish from them, so no surprise there.

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Wes Tender

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Even if we ignore the significant role foreign born staff play in running the NHS, research shows that in areas where significant numbers of immigrants live then GP waiting times may actualy be reduced somewhat as they are (on average) a younger and healthier population that requires less medical attention.

 

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/immigration-may-reduce-the-time-you-wait-to-see-the-doctor/

 

Not that I expect mere evidence to change anyone's mind at this stage of course.

 

Show me the mere evidence. The article states that Immigration MAY reduce the time you wait to see a doctor. So even they are not saying that it does.

 

But the whole thrust of the argument is patently ludicrous, that if you have an indigenous population the waiting times will be a certain length and that if you add 300000 to the population the waiting times will reduce. I assume that a substantial percentage of these additional immigrants must be doctors and nurses for that to happen :lol:. It could be that using statistical sleight of hand, they massage their figures on the basis of a percentage of immigrants per 1000 of a local population, so that the healthier, younger immigrants water down the percentages requiring the health service in those localities where they settle.

 

As usual, you read into these things what you want to see and ignore the parts that throw doubt upon them; like this bit:-

 

Yet, this is not true of every single area every single period. Policymakers should take these differences in impact across areas and time into account when creating policies to reduce NHS waiting times and/or manage the consequences of immigration.

 

It is worth noting that because of its demographic composition, immigration may have a greater impact on maternity services. Effects could also change in the long-run as migrants become older. In particular, as low-skilled immigrants are more likely to work riskier jobs, morbidity in this group may increase in the long-run. Our project is currently looking at these two aspects.

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