Saint Charlie Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Voice of doom as usual! Haha. I admire your consistency lad! Think he has three yellows. Not too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 How many yellows does Pelle have now? 3 in the Prem ....and 1 against Vitesse. (don't know if that one counts in tally of domestic games ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 I love his passion. Every time we score it's like his best moment ever in the world and when he scores I'm surprised he doesn't just explode. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 3 in the Prem ....and 1 against Vitesse. (don't know if that one counts in tally of domestic games ?) No, it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 I love his passion. Every time we score it's like his best moment ever in the world and when he scores I'm surprised he doesn't just explode. Love it.totally agree, he gives his all. Sadly there are fools around who cant see what he gives us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 You hear so much ****e spouted about Pelle. Delighted he's finally winning fans over en masse, but it's a shame it took so long for them to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 I read until "more often ineffective than effective" and then stopped because I realised the whole post would be absolute rubbish. Made even worse that it's an assessment given by someone who, by their own admission, doesn't watch all our games! As others have said, he's been our best player this season so far. Actually I've probably watched more live games than you as every league game is televised here . These last two games are the only two I've missed in the last 4 years . Opinions are valid even if you disagree with them . I not much of a bandwagon jumper . Maybe I will warm up to him if he keeps up this recent form . Still a poor mans Lambert for me . Thanks for belittling my post though , always nice to have opposing points of view ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Might be better if you don't watch it mate. A lot of your 'expert' opinions are blown out of the water, but you seem, like the majority of the media, to have put this result down to Chelsea being poor rather than us playing well. I'm not putting it down to anything but it does beg the question . Would the same Chelsea team on top form have ended with the same result ? We both know the answer to that but I look forward to your ' expert ' opinion detailing how we are suddenly better than the league champions . I would say that the result was down to us taking advantage of their poor form . Our formation and tactics would be different if playing a top side in top form . Also my opinion has never been proclaimed as expert . Its just a simple opinion that people are free to disagree with . I admit I did briefly get sucked into the ' attack and belittle ' strategy that is endorsed by the Saintslist masses but I'm making the effort to be more mature than that . My opinion is mine and you're welcome to yours ( expert or otherwise )? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Sometimes - esp second half of last season - he didn't seem to be offering too much. At his best last year he was outstanding in two areas: firstly as a goal threat in his own right, secondly as a central target laying off for Davis etc. Which didn't always work because our midfield was often too deep. But second half of the season both those aspects seemed to dry up. This year, right now, we have both of those aspects of his play - and Davis really figured out the right place to be! - and he's also added something we rarely saw last year, he's going out wider (sometimes, not always), drawing defenders out to give more room for Mane etc, much more like Lambert used to do. Still don't see it a huge amount, but over the last two or three games he's done it a lot more, which encourages me that not only does that give him at least three really good things he does in the team, it means that Mane and, potentially, J-Rod can come in down the middle a lot like Lambert/J-Rod used to do a couple of years ago. Hopefully it's not just an accident, really have enjoyed seeing a more mobile Pelle the last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Pelle has been very good this season. I hope...IF, IF he has a lean spell like he did last season, he does come off or even miss out but it is by a mile, he is the main man up front at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 We are beginning to see the squad settle and gel and the competition for places is more than it has been for a long time. Hopefully this is bringing more out of the players and knowing that there is a Jayrod (or Clasie, Long, Yoshida etc) on the bench is both a support and a motivation to maintain as high a performance standard as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Still a poor mans Lambert for me . Thanks for belittling my post though, always nice to have opposing points of view �� Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk I shouldn't worry too much about them kermit. At least no-one posted ***** words on you. The general opinion seems to be that Pelle has adapted to the Prem. quite well (all things considered) - after just one season, and although we all loved Rickie Lambert .... it should be remembered that the majority of Lambert's goals were plundered in two lower divisions, and it took us a while to get him off the pies. For my money, (like Lambert) ...what Pelle lacks in pace, he makes up for in guile and positioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 With Lambert I always felt we were dangerous , like we could score if we got the opportunity. With Pelle I just don't feel that same way . Hopefully as the team settles and Clasie becomes the player we all hope he is , we can bring out the best in Pelle . At his age I feel that his peak will be shortlived . Building our team to suit a player with only a season or 2 at the most seems silly . We all have our favourite players . Mine from the last two seasons is Bertrand. I just don't understand why fellow supporters turn on people who have a different view . Pelle can be great . Just would like to see that more consistently. Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 With Lambert I always felt we were dangerous , like we could score if we got the opportunity. With Pelle I just don't feel that same way . Hopefully as the team settles and Clasie becomes the player we all hope he is , we can bring out the best in Pelle . At his age I feel that his peak will be shortlived . Building our team to suit a player with only a season or 2 at the most seems silly . We all have our favourite players . Mine from the last two seasons is Bertrand. I just don't understand why fellow supporters turn on people who have a different view . Pelle can be great . Just would like to see that more consistently. Well, you can keep being wrong if you like? I would imagine people turn on you for having an opinion which isn't supported by any evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Well, you can keep being wrong if you like? I would imagine people turn on you for having an opinion which isn't supported by any evidence. No no no - he watches TV. That gives all the perspectives he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Hmm that makes no sense at all . Unfortunately I live in Australia so the only way I can watch games are on tv . You're saying that fans who turn up to watch games live have more right to an opinion ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Pelle has been very good this season. I hope...IF, IF he has a lean spell like he did last season, he does come off or even miss out but it is by a mile, he is the main man up front at the mo I think Koeman has realised that Long can fill in for Pelle when needed, his heading of the ball and hold up play is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Hmm that makes no sense at all . Unfortunately I live in Australia so the only way I can watch games are on tv . You're saying that fans who turn up to watch games live have more right to an opinion ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Yes, sorry. No super fan nonsense here, just the simple fact that when you're there you can see things happening off the ball that aren't happening on screen, including sometimes on-the-ball incidents when the cameras are focussed on managers, the crowd, planes, celebrities, owners etc or showing replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Yes, sorry. No super fan nonsense here, just the simple fact that when you're there you can see things happening off the ball that aren't happening on screen, including sometimes on-the-ball incidents when the cameras are focussed on managers, the crowd, planes, celebrities, owners etc or showing replays. But I can instantly see multiple replays of important moments and have the ability to go through the game over and over . I agree when you see games live you get a different perspective but thats often in a negative aspect as well . I've watched games at the Dell and St Marys and often feel that I've missed more of the game due to the distance from my seat to the action . The atmosphere totally makes up for it though . I apologize that my opinion is diminished in its integrity due to having to watch on a 3 metre screen rather than live . Will try to remember in future Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 (edited) Yes, sorry. No super fan nonsense here, just the simple fact that when you're there you can see things happening off the ball that aren't happening on screen, including sometimes on-the-ball incidents when the cameras are focussed on managers, the crowd, planes, celebrities, owners etc or showing replays. Not sure I totally agree. You don't have the benefit of replays and different angles for one; and I find people tend to be much more invested in their point of view when in theyre caught up in an atmosphere, unable to revise their opinions; there's often something dispassionate and surgical about watching a game on TV which allows for cooler assessments. Edited 6 October, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Hmm that makes no sense at all . Unfortunately I live in Australia so the only way I can watch games are on tv . You're saying that fans who turn up to watch games live have more right to an opinion ? I actually think their opinions hold more weight. They're not necessarily right, because lots of idiots attend the matches, but you can pay attention to things at a live game moreso than watching on TV. I don't go very often anymore but when I do I feel I have seen more than I would have done otherwise. Doesn't make your opinion worthless just because you didn't go though. I think that our tactics under Koeman sometimes isolate our centre forward more than when we played with Lambert, and therefore Pelle has more games where he doesn't do much. I don't recall many games where I've thought "we were fantastic but Pelle was terrible". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 I think Koeman has realised that Long can fill in for Pelle when needed, his heading of the ball and hold up play is excellent. Personally I think Koeman views Long as an almost last resort option. Certainly feel he is the one big money iffy signing from last summers recruitment. In hindsight I would have preferred Koeman to have been able to bring in someone he really wanted and trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Yes, sorry. No super fan nonsense here, just the simple fact that when you're there you can see things happening off the ball that aren't happening on screen, including sometimes on-the-ball incidents when the cameras are focussed on managers, the crowd, planes, celebrities, owners etc or showing replays. True, but you don't get to watch important incidents multiple times from different angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Hmm that makes no sense at all . Unfortunately I live in Australia so the only way I can watch games are on tv . You're saying that fans who turn up to watch games live have more right to an opinion ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk No I'm not. After all opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one. IMHO being at the game gives you a far better perspective than watching on the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Hmm that makes no sense at all . Unfortunately I live in Australia so the only way I can watch games are on tv . You're saying that fans who turn up to watch games live have more right to an opinion ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk i think, all things the same, the fan attending will have a more informed opinion than the fan watching on tv - you get a much better idea of players' positional sense, team shape etc when you're actually there it's why you see managers, scouts etc actually going to stadiums, despite the match being shown on tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 i think, all things the same, the fan attending will have a more informed opinion than the fan watching on tv - you get a much better idea of players' positional sense, team shape etc when you're actually there it's why you see managers, scouts etc actually going to stadiums, despite the match being shown on tv Its swings and roundabouts, you see things live that you don't see on TV, you also see things on TV that you miss live. Both perspectives have their value (as long as we are not talking about MOTD type highlights, but full match). You may see managers going to matches (though its not as common as it used to be) but on the other hand our Black Box is based on video (TV) evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 (edited) i think, all things the same, the fan attending will have a more informed opinion than the fan watching on tv - you get a much better idea of players' positional sense, team shape etc when you're actually there it's why you see managers, scouts etc actually going to stadiums, despite the match being shown on tv Apples and oranges. Managers and scouts tend to get the pick of the spots when watching a game -usually up in the stands around the halfway line; whereas where you sit as a fan is function of cost and atmosphere (in the case of home games); and luck (in the case of away games). You're basically guaranteed a s**t view going to somewhere like the Emirates. I would go so far as to say that being behind a goal is one of the worst places to watch a game for the sake of an 'informed opinion'; but that's where most 'kops' or 'home ends' are; and that's where most away fans are located, with the added disadvantage that you might be down the side and at the front. Been to loads of games where I've find myself looking (imperfectly) at the large screen rather than watching the field of play for that reason. Edited 6 October, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Yes, sorry. No super fan nonsense here, just the simple fact that when you're there you can see things happening off the ball that aren't happening on screen, including sometimes on-the-ball incidents when the cameras are focussed on managers, the crowd, planes, celebrities, owners etc or showing replays. yeah but you can't see replays with multiple angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 yeah but you can't see replays with multiple angles. Replays are there (for the most) to see certain points that are perhaps game changing or are contentious. Not to see what is happening off the ball. For instance Space just doesn't happen on the field of play - it's generally created by runs that unless it's pointed out just don't get noticed on the tv. That is one of the reasons Pelle doesn't always get the credit he deserves - over 90 mins he causes problems for the opposition or creates space for others - unless you are there you don't always get to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Replays are there (for the most) to see certain points that are perhaps game changing or are contentious. Not to see what is happening off the ball. For instance Space just doesn't happen on the field of play - it's generally created by runs that unless it's pointed out just don't get noticed on the tv. That is one of the reasons Pelle doesn't always get the credit he deserves - over 90 mins he causes problems for the opposition or creates space for others - unless you are there you don't always get to see it. Where is exactly there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Apples and oranges. Managers and scouts tend to get the pick of the spots when watching a game -usually up in the stands around the halfway line; whereas where you sit as a fan is function of cost and atmosphere (in the case of home games); and luck (in the case of away games). You're basically guaranteed a s**t view going to somewhere like the Emirates. I would go so far as to say that being behind a goal is one of the worst places to watch a game for the sake of an 'informed opinion'; but that's where most 'kops' or 'home ends' are; and that's where most away fans are located, with the added disadvantage that you might be down the side and at the front. Been to loads of games where I've find myself looking (imperfectly) at the large screen rather than watching the field of play for that reason. I would agree with all of that, especially the behind the goal bit. I would also add that someone who has had 6 pre-match pints (or so) and/or someone who is concentrating more on what is being sung (or where the Mars Bar is) is not really going to be the best judge of how each and every player is performing during a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 I would agree with all of that, especially the behind the goal bit. I would also add that someone who has had 6 pre-match pints (or so) and/or someone who is concentrating more on what is being sung (or where the Mars Bar is) is not really going to be the best judge of how each and every player is performing during a match. As opposed to someone sat at home who has to get up and answer the door or the phone, talk to his wife/kids, wanders out to the fridge, starts channel hopping, reading the paper, gazes out the window to see who is nicking his car, checking out the ar se walking outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 Where is exactly there? Where ever you need it to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 6 October, 2015 Share Posted 6 October, 2015 All opinions are what they are. One thing tho' you can go to a game and watch the match again after on TV but you cant do the reverse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 According to one of my Italian work colleagues, Pelle was junior tango champion in Italy, and is into Latin-American dancing. Checked online and appears to be true. May end up seeing him on Strictly come Dancing one day. Strange but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 According to one of my Italian work colleagues, Pelle was junior tango champion in Italy, and is into Latin-American dancing. Checked online and appears to be true. May end up seeing him on Strictly come Dancing one day. Strange but true. And also mentioned when we signed him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 Pelle was junior tango champion in Italy. That explains the tan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 Jesus, I think my wife would have a fit if she saw him shaking his thing in tight trousers and a sequinned shirt slashed to the waist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 He's improved this season, started to really bully defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 He's improved this season, started to really bully defenders. a good sign perhaps, but he'll need to be a bit more subtle when he does, because he's picked up 3 yellow cards already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/fresh-prince-pel-air-190514502.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 a shot across the bowels? how rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/fresh-prince-pel-air-190514502.html "Shot across the Bowels" tut, unless I'm more illiterate than I thought it should be Bow surely LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/fresh-prince-pel-air-190514502.html "However, what we’ve seen in the opening two months of the season has fired a shot across the bowels of all those who let doubt creep in." Has someone been analysing Alpine's stool sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 No idea how that's been managed. Flagged up to the editor, thanks chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 No idea how that's been managed. Flagged up to the editor, thanks chaps. If you're flagging things up to the editor (I see he's already fixed your bowel problem) then you should fix these two paras as well: "Last season, the suave Italian quickly won over supporters - some of whom who were overly-critical in the early stages of the season - with his passionate displays." "If his high early standards can be maintained, and a goal-drought similar to last month’s four-month spell be avoided, Pellè can most certainly make history." Otherwise a decent piece. Time and another 30 games will tell of course whether he ends up being an improvement over last season, he was after all very good in the first part of last season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_roffa Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 "(...) a domineering afternoon for one of the Premier League’s most complete strikers" (link to Squawka article) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 But I can instantly see multiple replays of important moments and have the ability to go through the game over and over . I agree when you see games live you get a different perspective but thats often in a negative aspect as well . I've watched games at the Dell and St Marys and often feel that I've missed more of the game due to the distance from my seat to the action . The atmosphere totally makes up for it though . I apologize that my opinion is diminished in its integrity due to having to watch on a 3 metre screen rather than live . Will try to remember in future Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk a 118" TV what make and model is that I want one as my eyes are failing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 a 118" TV what make and model is that I want one as my eyes are failing We have a projector set up in the home theatre room playing the games in HD . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 As opposed to someone sat at home who has to get up and answer the door or the phone, talk to his wife/kids, wanders out to the fridge, starts channel hopping, reading the paper, gazes out the window to see who is nicking his car, checking out the ar se walking outside. When I sit on the couch to watch a game I stay on the couch to watch the game. It helps that games are usually finishing or starting at midnight here. Nothing to distract me and zero reason to get up. Maybe for a **** at halftime but even then if you can't hang on for the full-time whistle you probably need to see a doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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