The9 Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 By 'consistently wrong' what exactly are you referred by to? Two penalty decisions and a heap of midfield decisions all going Chelsea's way, plus the booking of Saints players for challenges which were ignored in terms of cards when Chelsea players committed them - if he even gave the foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Good point! Pat Nevin was on Radio 5 the other night saying that "managers can't win" because we demend honesty in press conferences and criticise bland responses but then when they are honest they get clobbered by the FA. I think there is a point in there somewhere in a wider context but he was talking specifically about Mourinho and his sanction which would me up because Mourinho was clearly not being honest at all in his post-match comments after we tonked them. He has been moaning about a penalty which has correctly not been given and when he was asked his opinion on our two clear penalty shouts he refused to talk about them. Honest.... don't think so. I think most likely is that something really isn't right behind the scenes (the whole Dr episode was very odd) and he is trying to get sacked. Does ANYONE expect honesty and criticise bland responses any more? It's absolutely what is expected from managers and players in every situation. It's not what's wanted, but it's completely understandable and acceptable for managers to say nothing of interest. Mourinho of course just uses his comments to distract from his team's rubbish results, always has done, there are just more rubbish results this season so he's run out of even vaguely legitimate gripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 The team shouldn't be his problem for at least one game. His response to the fine surely must trigger the stadium ban? And as for putting a microphone under his nose when he's pressured, it's his job. He is contractually obliged to do interviews, for which TV pays big money. If he cannot do them professionally he should get a job that he can cope with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Two penalty decisions and a heap of midfield decisions all going Chelsea's way, plus the booking of Saints players for challenges which were ignored in terms of cards when Chelsea players committed them - if he even gave the foul. I think you're looking at him through red and white striped glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 I think you're looking at him through red and white striped glasses. Two absolute dead-certainty penalties alone that I've only seen Mourinho claim weren't, would be enough without the yellow card and free kick nonsense on top. Second half he had clearly seen the decisions at half time and was favouring Saints, but nothing like to the same extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 I think you're looking at him through red and white striped glasses. So they weren't pens then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Two absolute dead-certainty penalties alone that I've only seen Mourinho claim weren't, would be enough without the yellow card and free kick nonsense on top. Second half he had clearly seen the decisions at half time and was favouring Saints, but nothing like to the same extent. They are not allowed to view replays at half-time. I wouldn't call the Mané incidents dead-certain myself. Some yellow cards are mandatory, such as shirt-pulling, others discretionary. Yeah, like most people he missed the attempt to steal Virgil's shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 So they weren't pens then? Which ones? Apart from the shirt-pulling on Virgil the others were very weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 ......is Mourinho really worth all this cr*p. The biggest egotist in football, who can't believe that HIS team should be allowed to lose - and at home. Even his illustrious club chairman must be (quitely) looking around for a possible replacement ...just in case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 I think you're looking at him through red and white striped glasses. Most pundits I've heard have said Saints should have had 2 pens in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Mourinho is clearly upset by the £50000 fine, even though the money probably means nothing to him. But if the punishment has hurt, that is of course, the purpose - to deter a mouthy manager from blaming the referee when his team is second best. The stadium ban hanging over him is also an excellent tactic by the FA. Not sure he has self-control in his toolbag but it will be interesting to see if his ego allows him to cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Heard mourinho moaning at the size of the fine. He stated that £50k in today's tough world is ridiculous Obviously, kept quiet about the wages he earns and how ridiculous that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Most pundits I've heard have said Saints should have had 2 pens in the first half. And a lot didn't say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 And a lot didn't say that. Most did though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 Most did though How many did you count? No-one who knew what they were talking about thought that. It's easy enough to say that so-and-so ought to have had a penalty but when you're out in the middle with a whistle it's a lot different. If you were to give penalties for those theatrics of Mané then there'd be ten in every game. They weren't penalties because they weren't given because they were too flimsy. That's the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 How many did you count? No-one who knew what they were talking about thought that. It's easy enough to say that so-and-so ought to have had a penalty but when you're out in the middle with a whistle it's a lot different. If you were to give penalties for those theatrics of Mané then there'd be ten in every game. They weren't penalties because they weren't given because they were too flimsy. That's the end of it. What's with this bizarre need to rationalise every refereeing decision, right or wrong. Because you were incidentally connected to the refereeing fraternity? This isn't the first time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 They weren't penalties because they weren't given because they were too flimsy. That's the end of it. Sorry Whitey, but the second penalty shout against Chelsea was nailed on. Mane's foot was stamped on. And as for the first one when the Chelsea player tried to swap shirts with Virgil well, that was as nailed on as a nailed-on thing. BUT of course it takes the ref (or assistant) to see it to give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 (edited) How many did you count? 19 ! Edited 16 October, 2015 by simo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 What's with this bizarre need to rationalise every refereeing decision, right or wrong. Because you were incidentally connected to the refereeing fraternity? This isn't the first time... His points are valid but .... I know what you mean. Bloody ref lover!![emoji3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 16 October, 2015 Share Posted 16 October, 2015 It's perfectly clear to everyone why Mourinho was fined and charged and Wenger not. Mourinho was quite clearly accusing referees of bias and casting doubts over their integrity, whereas Wenger was clearly right in saying that Costa was conning the referee in order to get a player sent off. There's a clear difference and however **** the referees have been it has not been because they're biased or crooked. I hope the FA ban him every time he opens his mouth frankly. The man is an embarrassment and it would be nice if the FA just forced him out of the league so he can go and talk his ******** somewhere else. I don't disagree. I am just saying that in the future he should call referees weak and naïve whenever he wants to criticize them for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 Sorry Whitey, but the second penalty shout against Chelsea was nailed on. Mane's foot was stamped on. And as for the first one when the Chelsea player tried to swap shirts with Virgil well, that was as nailed on as a nailed-on thing. BUT of course it takes the ref (or assistant) to see it to give it. .....which is back to my old arguement that the fourth ref. should be sat in front of a TV monitor (* as they were in the first place, I believe) ....and like the millions of others of us who watched the game ....could have given a more accurate assessment/decision. * I read an article somewhile ago that said that a ref. with TV monitor at the pitchside would be "inundated" with interfering managers trying to coerse him. .......so it still means that on many occasions, the commentators and TV "experts" can make a better decsion that the ref. in the centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 How many did you count? No-one who knew what they were talking about thought that. It's easy enough to say that so-and-so ought to have had a penalty but when you're out in the middle with a whistle it's a lot different. If you were to give penalties for those theatrics of Mané then there'd be ten in every game. They weren't penalties because they weren't given because they were too flimsy. That's the end of it. I don't think anyone would dispute that Whitey, but don't you think that games being played at this level, and where there is technical evidence available - it should be given the referee all the help he needs to make a fair and just decision? If Saints had lost that game it would have been grossly unfair, all things considered. We've come a long way ...to having goal-line cameras and assistant refs. running the line with radio contact, but I'm sure that I (and many others), see the injustice of clear fouls /incidents that go unnoticed to match officials - who don't have eyes in the back of their heads - and where recorded evidence is available, even retrospective punishments should be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 17 October, 2015 Share Posted 17 October, 2015 How many did you count? No-one who knew what they were talking about thought that. It's easy enough to say that so-and-so ought to have had a penalty but when you're out in the middle with a whistle it's a lot different. If you were to give penalties for those theatrics of Mané then there'd be ten in every game. They weren't penalties because they weren't given because they were too flimsy. That's the end of it. Clearly you are of the "I'm right because I say so" ilk. They weren't penalties because they weren't given. Fact They were too flimsy. Opinion. It is pointless arguing about facts but opinions are for discussion (for as long as anyone wants to discuss them), so it isn't for you to say "That's the end of it" in a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 November, 2015 Share Posted 1 November, 2015 See the prat fails to understand why people want to see him sacked. Reckons it is quite sad. funny how he harps on at wenger being in a job when he is a success at failing etc. the man is an utter helmet. watching him fail like this is quite pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Turns out his stadium ban is due to a half time rant at the referee when playing against West Ham...a rant in which he felt the need to refer to Arsene Wenger. His obsession with the guy is a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 6 November, 2015 Share Posted 6 November, 2015 Chelsea deserve to go bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Which ones? Apart from the shirt-pulling on Virgil the others were very weak. The mane trip was a stonewall penalty. Okay he shouldn't have thrown his arms about but it was a blatant trip and a blatant pen. Then to add insult to injury, he books mane for diving when he has his legs completely wiped out from underneath him. Also, the Vvd incident was also a stonewall pen. The only thing the ref got right was the Falcao dive which tbh I was surprised he didn't give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallBoy Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Isn't it strange how JM only has these rants and problems when he loses. He is just a bad, bad loser. His conduct has crossed the line from being hysterical to just plain unacceptable. My own opinion is that his conduct towards Eva Carneiro lies at the root of much of his players disaffection with him. Eden Hazard, in particular, was accused by JM of just being tired. The man just loses all rationality when he is losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 My own opinion is that his conduct towards Eva Carneiro lies at the root of much of his players disaffection with him... Very strong rumour (from those allegedly ITK) that he wanted to sell Costa in the summer, but another Chelsea player went to Abramovich to complain about it, then the potential sale was stopped and Mourinho lost it after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Very strong rumour (from those allegedly ITK) that he wanted to sell Costa in the summer, but another Chelsea player went to Abramovich to complain about it, then the potential sale was stopped and Mourinho lost it after that... he obviously did not want to see cech go to arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 He's not my cup of tea. Pretty classless manager of a pretty classless club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 He's basically turned into Howard Wilkinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Isn't it strange how JM only has these rants and problems when he loses. He is just a bad, bad loser. His conduct has crossed the line from being hysterical to just plain unacceptable. My own opinion is that his conduct towards Eva Carneiro lies at the root of much of his players disaffection with him. Eden Hazard, in particular, was accused by JM of just being tired. The man just loses all rationality when he is losing. Seems fair enough... "you show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - Vince Lombardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Very strong rumour (from those allegedly ITK) that he wanted to sell Costa in the summer, but another Chelsea player went to Abramovich to complain about it, then the potential sale was stopped and Mourinho lost it after that... IF (and that might be a big IF) that is the case, then he has no chance staying there and is a dead man walking. Player and owner have undermine him. Would be very very funny if they got relegated, not that I think that there is a chance that they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 Mourinho aside, their team just seems very average now. To many were getting on a bit, Terry is poor now, midfield has lost it and Costa needs good service. Whoever comes in they need to spend big again. Should probably have kept de bruyne shouldn't they. But Jose said he couldn't cut it in the prem. Read somewhere that many expensive attackers pushed out by Jose are doing very well elsewhere. Shurrle, cudrado, salah, de bryne. Look how shyt pedro looks and he has won everything possible Mourinho appears not so good as rebuilding. And no way will anyone become world player of the year under him. Unless they are already at that level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 7 November, 2015 Share Posted 7 November, 2015 But Jose said he couldn't cut it in the prem. Read somewhere that many expensive attackers pushed out by Jose are doing very well elsewhere. Shurrle, cudrado, salah, de bryne. Look how shyt pedro looks and he has won everything possible Mourinho appears not so good as rebuilding. And no way will anyone become world player of the year under him. Unless they are already at that level add lukaku, romeu, bertrand, demba ba, mata, (sturridge- tbf left before mourinho)... all these players would have improved chelsea massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 November, 2015 Share Posted 8 November, 2015 The fans love him...John Terry says the team love him... and so too do many other Prem. clubs....if they continue this form...games in the North East will become vital. He may last unless they lose in CL....then there's no reason for Abrahamovic to keep him the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 8 November, 2015 Share Posted 8 November, 2015 Unless they can get a high grade interim, then no point sacking him. Three names touted today - Hiddink, Di Matteo and Rogers. I'd put a line through Rogers right now. Di Matteo inherited a quality side who would have won CL with or without him, so not sure if he's THAT good. Hiddink would be the one to go for, IMHO. If they can't get him, better the devil you know this season, and see who is available at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 November, 2015 Share Posted 8 November, 2015 Unless they can get a high grade interim, then no point sacking him. Three names touted today - Hiddink, Di Matteo and Rogers. I'd put a line through Rogers right now. Di Matteo inherited a quality side who would have won CL with or without him, so not sure if he's THAT good. Hiddink would be the one to go for, IMHO. If they can't get him, better the devil you know this season, and see who is available at the end of the season. They certainly didn't play like winning the champions league under AVB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 8 November, 2015 Share Posted 8 November, 2015 Went out for lunch today and a young lad came in with his parents with a Chelsea shirt on, is that child abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 November, 2015 Share Posted 9 November, 2015 Went out for lunch today and a young lad came in with his parents with a Chelsea shirt on, is that child abuse? My kids step father is a Chelsea supporter and bought them all Chelsea shirts when they were younger (they are all girls by the way). When I showed them the red and white stripes they said they preferred those shirts and promptly dumped the blue shirts! Class will always out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 November, 2015 Share Posted 9 November, 2015 I have a six month old grandson, son and daughter in law live in Ringwood you know what the grandson is getting from me for his first Christmas, get him early before he can be influenced by anyone else, once a Saint always a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 November, 2015 Share Posted 9 November, 2015 Isn't it strange how JM only has these rants and problems when he loses. He is just a bad, bad loser. His conduct has crossed the line from being hysterical to just plain unacceptable. My own opinion is that his conduct towards Eva Carneiro lies at the root of much of his players disaffection with him. Eden Hazard, in particular, was accused by JM of just being tired. The man just loses all rationality when he is losing. Anyone can show class when winning, it is how people act in adversity that shows their true measure IMHO. JM is behaving like a true narcissist now that things are not going so well for him. They love being on the pedestal, being "the special one," but once they are no longer worshipped they loose the plot big time and him will eventually go somewhere else where he will be on a pedestal again for a while. He has no humility and because he has to believe that he is perfect he will not take any responsibility for his actions. Any normal decent human being makes mistakes and loses it now and again. But they realise that they have been an ar5e, aplologise and move on. JM will never apologise because he believes that he is always right. Personally I hope that he doesnt get sacked and that Chelsea finish in the bottom half of the table and win nothing. That will hurt his pride more than being sacked. If he gets sacked he will play the martyr and find a way of making it not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 November, 2015 Share Posted 9 November, 2015 The one thing that winds me up is when their arrogant fans start singing you know what we are champions of England ect, in the hope they win nothing this season I think it would be great if every clubs fans sang we know what you are champions of feck all when they play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 November, 2015 Share Posted 9 November, 2015 ......if Mourinho keeps his job (quite likely)...and buys more at New Year (more than likely) then he'll be clearing out some " dead wood " he thinks aren't performing. So far we've had; Jack Cork, Ryan Bertrand and Romeu from them - with some success, I can't believe that we can't find one or two more to strengthen OUR squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crispypie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Will they start calling us chelsampton Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Anyone can show class when winning, it is how people act in adversity that shows their true measure IMHO. JM is behaving like a true narcissist now that things are not going so well for him. They love being on the pedestal, being "the special one," but once they are no longer worshipped they loose the plot big time and him will eventually go somewhere else where he will be on a pedestal again for a while. He has no humility and because he has to believe that he is perfect he will not take any responsibility for his actions. Any normal decent human being makes mistakes and loses it now and again. But they realise that they have been an ar5e, aplologise and move on. JM will never apologise because he believes that he is always right. Personally I hope that he doesnt get sacked and that Chelsea finish in the bottom half of the table and win nothing. That will hurt his pride more than being sacked. If he gets sacked he will play the martyr and find a way of making it not his fault. Spot on, old chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 Will they start calling us chelsampton Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk or SouthChelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 10 November, 2015 Share Posted 10 November, 2015 or SouthChelsea Southsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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