Batman Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 according to Mark Wotte Just read a piece stating how Morgan was desperate to leave saints when we were relegated to league 1. The club convinced him to stay as we would be 'back' Wotte also mentioned that when we signed morgan, it meant we were unable to afford signing a 16 year old Eriksen......which is a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Would you have preferred that we didn't sign Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Would you have preferred that we didn't sign Morgan? why would you ask that question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 We couldn't afford either of them truth be told. Both were or would have been poor signings at a time when we were lacking experience and quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 why would you ask that question? Because you said it was a shame that we couldn't sign Eriksen because we had signed Morgan. Would you say signing Morgan was a poor move by the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Because you said it was a shame that we couldn't sign Eriksen because we had signed Morgan. Would you say signing Morgan was a poor move by the club? no didnt. I stated what Wotte has reported in saying. you have interpreted it that way. Which is what you do. go around this board and putting right what you see as wrong it was a shame we were in such financial trouble and coulud not have signed eriksen regardless, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 We couldn't afford either of them truth be told. Both were or would have been poor signings at a time when we were lacking experience and quality. The word on the Internet at the time (and feel free to take it with a pinch of salt if you like) was that Lowe had sanctioned the signing of Morgan because he was worth more and he planned to sell him fairly quickly to make some money. Fortunately he wasn't sold as he, along with Lambert and Fonte were the best signings the club made for £1m and helped us get where we are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 (edited) So you are saying Wotte said that was a shame, because the way you have written it is looks like you said it was a shame. Either way signing Morgan didn't turn out too bad in the end did it? Edited 17 September, 2015 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2015 So you are saying Wotte said that was a shame, because the way you have written it is looks like you said it was a shame. that was my opinion....it is obvious within the post. you have interpreted it as it was morgan instead of eriksen...not both as you say, maybe you should let this one go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Indeed as I am very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 that was my opinion....it is obvious within the post. you have interpreted it as it was morgan instead of eriksen...not both as you say, maybe you should let this one go Pot kettle black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 SOG - give Jason Cundy and Andy Goldstein a call on the Sports Bar, talkSPORT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 that was my opinion....it is obvious within the post. you have interpreted it as it was morgan instead of eriksen...not both as you say, maybe you should let this one go To be fair, the way you've phrased it, combined with posting history, it does read as if you thought it a shame we signed Morgan and not Ericksen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 September, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 September, 2015 To be fair, the way you've phrased it, combined with posting history, it does read as if you thought it a shame we signed Morgan and not Ericksen. there we go. I said it was a shame. People assumed why I thought it was a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 there we go. I said it was a shame. People assumed why I thought it was a shame Oh jamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 there we go. I said it was a shame. People assumed why I thought it was a shame Perhaps if you used quotation marks it would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 there we go. I said it was a shame. People assumed why I thought it was a shame I agree. It was a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 I'm sure there's been lots of players we'd of liked to buy but couldn't afford them!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pez86 Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 What a signing that would have been, would have added even further to that team that rose up the leagues the last few seasons. We had a heck of a scouting department back then for spotting youngsters. Despite the misunderstanding of others, thanks for sharing - interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 He's saying its a shame that we didn't sign eriksen. Which is true. Pretty clear when I read it. He didn't say its a shame we signed Morgan instead of eriksen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Seemed pretty clear to me. Not like soggy to form wildly incorrect opinions without thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Great thread. The truth on this matter desperately needs to be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 I interviewed Mark a couple of years back - when he was at the SFA - and he said to me then his one big regret was not being able to complete a deal for Eriksen (who was 16). Shame, but I'm sure every club has stories like this. Just yesterday I was listening to the Peterborough owner saying they had Jamie Vardy (then of Fleetwood) in a restaurant with Darren Ferguson finalising a transfer, then Leicester came in and Vardy had no interest. Suppose it happens to everyone from time to time, in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 I'm sure there's been lots of players we'd have liked to buy but couldn't afford them!? For every Eriksen, Drogba, Coutinho or Rosicky, there is a Lamela, Beasley, Piper or Mido. Still interesting that we looked at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Do you think Erikson would have developed as well as Morgan did, if he had [or could have] signed for us? I'm not sure we have a knack for developing strikers as much as we do for midfielders. Or am I about to be proved wrong...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 He'd have been a nice player to have for sure, but would he have made much difference to our team? Doubt he'd have been the difference between 7th and 4th. Besides he'd have been sold years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Which is what you do. go around this board and putting right what you see as wrong Cos that's your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Christian Eriksen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 according to Mark Wotte Just read a piece stating how Morgan was desperate to leave saints when we were relegated to league 1. The club convinced him to stay as we would be 'back' Wotte also mentioned that when we signed morgan, it meant we were unable to afford signing a 16 year old Eriksen......which is a shame I agree, it was a shame that we didn't have enough money to sign eriksen, is there a link to the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 17 September, 2015 Share Posted 17 September, 2015 Shame ding ding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Christian Eriksen? I'm asking myself the same question... If it is Christian Eriksen it's a load of crap. Ajax bought him for less than 1 million euro's from Odense after Chelsea said they didn't want him. A choice between Ajax and Southampton back in 2008 wasn't difficult for a teenager... But Wotte is known in Holland for talking crap, unbelievable that this idiot got a chance at Southampton after all his terrible mistakes at Feyenoord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 To be fair, the way you've phrased it, combined with posting history, it does read as if you thought it a shame we signed Morgan and not Ericksen. I didn't read it that way to be honest. I assumed Batman was lamenting the fact we couldn't get both players in and were forced to choose between one or the other. A fair reason to lament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Do you think Erikson would have developed as well as Morgan did, if he had [or could have] signed for us? I'm not sure we have a knack for developing strikers as much as we do for midfielders. Or am I about to be proved wrong...? Mick Channon, Steve Moran, Alan Shearer, Matt Le Tissier - all pretty good if you ask me!! You could also add Terry Paine, though he was more renowned as a winger. To a lesser degree you could also add Nathan Dyer who has not done too badly - though mainly as a winger. You could also add: Kevin Davies - Started at Chesterfield but developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. James Beattie - started at Blackburn, but was developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. Peter Crouch - moved around a number of clubs before Saints but only really got established as a top striker once he had joined us - he has always opted to play for teams that play in red ever since - and mostly clubs that play in red and white stripes!! Beyond those I'm not too sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Do you think Erikson would have developed as well as Morgan did, if he had [or could have] signed for us? I'm not sure we have a knack for developing strikers as much as we do for midfielders. Or am I about to be proved wrong...? Mick Channon, Steve Moran, Alan Shearer, Matt Le Tissier - all pretty good if you ask me!! You could also add Terry Paine, though he was more renowned as a winger. To a lesser degree you could also add Nathan Dyer who has not done too badly - though mainly as a winger. You could also add: Kevin Davies - Started at Chesterfield but developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. James Beattie - started at Blackburn, but was developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. Peter Crouch - moved around a number of clubs before Saints but only really got established as a top striker once he had joined us - he has always opted to play for teams that play in red ever since - and mostly clubs that play in red and white stripes!! Beyond those I'm not too sure! I forgot to include the Wallace brothers (Danny and Rod not Ray!), Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain - again mainly wingers, but have been used as strikers (Rod was primarily a striker). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Indeed as I am very confused. I guess people like you make this place the way it is, it was quite obvious that he said it was s name in the context of signing both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 What's more is Eriksen to be fair to Jamie is or isn't what was originally on offer if Wotte could or couldn't within the limits of what Lowe and others haven't discussed so to lambast Jamie or SOG on this matter is completely and utter correct if taken without context on this forum or at least considering the history of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Seemed pretty clear to me. Not like soggy to form wildly incorrect opinions without thinking... Thanks for the usual dig Hypo - in fact it was a gentle wind up but that seems to have passed most people by. Too subtle perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 I guess people like you make this place the way it is, it was quite obvious that he said it was s name in the context of signing both. People like me? Pot, kettle, black. See my post above. And perhaps you could do something about your avatar? It brings back bad memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 People like me? Pot, kettle, black. See my post above. And perhaps you could do something about your avatar? It brings back bad memories. Maybe you could change your settings to browse without seeing avatars if you're sensitive about it? I find doing that makes it a lot easier not to form preconceptions about people. In fact I have no idea if I even have an avatar, because I always browse without. It's in your profile in the settings somewhere, it's years since I set it up though. As for the other stuff, it is a shame we couldn't sign Eriksen for not much, though whether he'd have been the same player if we had, and indeed whether Wotte isn't just being unrealistic about our opportunities are a different matter. Also, to clarify the stupid argument earlier, because Wotte specifically said money was the limitation and we had signed Schneiderlin, so the question if someone would prefer we signed Schneiderlin to Eriksen, because we'd have only been able to spend on one of them, was indeed valid and fair. The fact Batman didn't answer it is interesting, but entirely in line with his previous posts, which tend to be over-simplifications from an opposing view to the OP, frequently missing the point or any nuance to the argument. FWIW I wouldn't change the way things worked out, it's a hell of a stretch to think we could have made a better decision than signing Schneiderlin when we did, when you consider his contribution to our revival and the profit the club made when he eventually became good enough to get out of our wage scale. Also, I think you'll find "putting right what you see wrong" is in fact, MY thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 What's more is Eriksen to be fair to Jamie is or isn't what was originally on offer if Wotte could or couldn't within the limits of what Lowe and others haven't discussed so to lambast Jamie or SOG on this matter is completely and utter correct if taken without context on this forum or at least considering the history of the club. Thanks for clearing that up then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Talk about looming for a fight sog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Christian Eriksen? I was confused too. I thought this thread was about Sven Goran.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 This thread shows all the worst part of this forum and does not put our supporters in the best light. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo Naive Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 What a terrific thread. Pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 I was confused too. I thought this thread was about Sven Goran.... Sven was a little more than 16 when we signed Morgan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 I interviewed Mark a couple of years back - when he was at the SFA - and he said to me then his one big regret was not being able to complete a deal for Eriksen (who was 16). Shame, but I'm sure every club has stories like this. Just yesterday I was listening to the Peterborough owner saying they had Jamie Vardy (then of Fleetwood) in a restaurant with Darren Ferguson finalising a transfer, then Leicester came in and Vardy had no interest. Suppose it happens to everyone from time to time, in different ways. Cool story bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 We do appear to have some overly pedantic Gits within our fan base... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 18 September, 2015 Share Posted 18 September, 2015 Mick Channon, Steve Moran, Alan Shearer, Matt Le Tissier - all pretty good if you ask me!! You could also add Terry Paine, though he was more renowned as a winger. To a lesser degree you could also add Nathan Dyer who has not done too badly - though mainly as a winger. You could also add: Kevin Davies - Started at Chesterfield but developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. James Beattie - started at Blackburn, but was developed as a top-flight striker at Saints. Peter Crouch - moved around a number of clubs before Saints but only really got established as a top striker once he had joined us - he has always opted to play for teams that play in red ever since - and mostly clubs that play in red and white stripes!! Beyond those I'm not too sure! Well OBVIOUSLY Mick (checks avatar ). Yep, good call on most of those. MLT was more an attacking mid, imo, and the various wingers you mention weren't really out-and-out strikers. So, that boils down to about 6 (9 if you include Danny & Rod and add Ron Davies 'back in the day'). Not exactly a production line conveyor belt of striking talent. I stand by my point... so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 September, 2015 Share Posted 19 September, 2015 We do appear to have some overly pedantic Gits within our fan base... Every fan base has its fair share of Gits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 September, 2015 Share Posted 19 September, 2015 Talk about looming for a fight sog Its ok Wrensup, Batman and I have been winding each other up since the Delldays. We love each other really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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