Kaiser Soze Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Possibly one of the worse performances at West Brom I've seen in a while. When will Koeman realise he contributes absolute f//k all.
Saint-Armstrong Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 (edited) Possibly one of the worse performances at West Brom I've seen in a while. When will Koeman realise he contributes absolute f//k all. Apart from last game, when he contributed quite a bit and put in a good display. Edited 14 September, 2015 by Saint-Armstrong
SaintZamboni Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Contributed f*** all apart from 88% passing accuracy and running 12.6km (more than any other player on the pitch). In a game were we needed to keep the ball and have players who could defend and attack I think he did the job required of him. It's not his fault WBA didn't try to win despite the home side.
Suhari Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He's alright. Good set pieces, and runs around a lot. Does a job. The biggest problem he has is playing at the same time as Davis. I just don't see why we do this.
Gulle Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 I think he did very well (again) this weekend.
notnowcato Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Possibly one of the worse performances at West Brom I've seen in a while. When will Koeman realise he contributes absolute f//k all. 3.2/10
ally_uk Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He really needs to work on finishing, from what I saw at West Brom it was dreadful.....
Faz Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 When will Koeman realise he contributes absolute f//k all. I suspect he did exactly the job The Cowman wanted of him. Hence he gets picked. It's really not that difficult
Donatello Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Contributed f*** all apart from 88% passing accuracy and running 12.6km (more than any other player on the pitch). In a game were we needed to keep the ball and have players who could defend and attack I think he did the job required of him. It's not his fault WBA didn't try to win despite the home side. I'm not one for relying solely on statistics, but his work rate is clearly very good.
croydonsaint Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Possibly one of the worse performances at West Brom I've seen in a while. When will Koeman realise he contributes absolute f//k all. Certainly I would put Koemans opinion of Prowse as more relevant than ours but I do find it interesting that he plays so much. I do wonder "what does he do" Other players you can label them easily enough. Like Wanyama breaks up play, Davis collects the ball and delivers it well. Long, pressures players is a nuisance, Pelle, target man etc etc. I can see the Warde Prowse has a good delivery and he certainly gets around the pitch but to me to no great end result. Clearly he is valued, you are not given the captaincy at international level or get regularly picked at Premiership level if you do not have some thing, but as of yet I cant quite see what it is. Having said that at the West Brom game there was a vocal minority of what I will loosely label as " our supporters" spewing their bile at him and Matt Target on regular occassions during the game. Definately do not get that........... Disgusting to hear.
Saint_clark Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 It was bizarre that after putting in a good performance V Norwich and Koeman talking up his potential in a CM role, he then pushed him back into AM and stuck Davis deeper (who had always struggled there).
Leyton Lundekvam Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He's got talent, but does tend to frustrate and needs to contribute more in the final third. I suspect he'll eventually be replaced by Clasie once he's fit?
Leicestersaint Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He is a huge disappointment for an attacking midfielder - very few creative passes, and doesn't score any goals. Someone in his position should contribute 8 to 12 goals a season.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He is a huge disappointment for an attacking midfielder - very few creative passes, and doesn't score any goals. Someone in his position should contribute 8 to 12 goals a season. I definitely think he needs to score more but 8-12 goals is a tally that only elite AM get with just one or two exceptions each year in the Premier League.
Avenue Saint Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Good corners will only get you so far.
hutch Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 I still can't work out how we do so well in the league with so many **** players
VectisSaint Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 I still can't work out how we do so well in the league with so many **** players We don't, we have one very average player, the rest are fine.
Batman Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 I still can't work out how we do so well in the league with so many **** players all the good ones keep getting sold
Cosmic Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He is not good enough to play just behind the striker (and may well never be suited to that role) and nor is Davis. Cannot understand why he was moved further up the pitch for this game after impressing against Norwich when playing deeper and Koeman admitting as much after the game. Why Juanmi can't get a game in the no.10 position I cannot understand.
St Marco Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Contributed f*** all apart from 88% passing accuracy and running 12.6km (more than any other player on the pitch). In a game were we needed to keep the ball and have players who could defend and attack I think he did the job required of him. It's not his fault WBA didn't try to win despite the home side. Except he made 0% of his attempted tackles, won % of his aerial duels, created no chances, had no interceptions, lost the ball four times and so on. If his job was to keep the ball or set up attacks he failed miserably.
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 He is a young player who if people will get off his case will develop into a very good player for Saints in time.
Lemons Posted 14 September, 2015 Posted 14 September, 2015 Myth. Fact. He consistently puts the ball in, with pace, to the right areas. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk
petts Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 He is a young player who if people will get off his case will develop into a very good player for Saints in time. I agree completely, clearly not the finished article, but what cm is aged 20, jeez even iniesta and Xavi were not greats at that age! He has shown enough to suggest he will be a very good player, looked very good against Norwich, some of his forward passing was excellent. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
whelk Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I wonder have we had more threads about JWP not living up expectation or more Davis is (well was once) underrated threads?
BlakeySFC Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Do not know what Koeman or anyone else sees in him, he's a lower league CM at best, loan him out to MK Dons or some other sh!te.
andoru Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I know JWP is not the most popular player, but I quite like him. He's not spectacular, but nor is he awful. He just doesn't offer anything we don't already get from the likes of Steven Davis, which is hardly an insult (although he's much maligned by many of you as well). I'd like to persevere with him if only because he's an academy graduate, and pretty much the only one ready for first-team football (Targett wouldn't be there if Bertrand was fit). We need to stay true to our pledge to develop youth with first-team football. JWP will only improve if he's playing.
GarrettIvo Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I'm not big on bagging players and I do think JWP is talented and works hard. Saying that I have to agree that he was very ordinary on Saturday.
SuperSAINT Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/09/15/premier-league-heavyweights-closely-monitoring-southampton-midfi/?
doddisalegend Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Big boys looking to fill the home grown quota with some else's academy players shocker
VectisSaint Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Fact. He consistently puts the ball in, with pace, to the right areas. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk He doesn't. If he did then there would be a different, positive outcome.
Convict Colony Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Fact. He consistently puts the ball in, with pace, to the right areas. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk What passing backwards and sideways quickly
saintadjg Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Every time I watch him play his set piece delivery is spot on.not his fault if of forward players don't capitalise.
St Marco Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 . Would pick JWP each time over Davis just for set pieces, and the fact JWP might actually improve, Davis won't. Interesting stat for you. This season JWP has created 5 chances where as Davis has created 15. Only Tadic is ahead of him with 16. Davis is doing far better than JWP so if either of them were to be dropped it should be JWP.
The9 Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Interesting stat for you. This season JWP has created 5 chances where as Davis has created 15. Only Tadic is ahead of him with 16. Davis is doing far better than JWP so if either of them were to be dropped it should be JWP. Interesting stat and non-stat for you, Davis has played 9 matches compared to JWP's 5 and usually plays in a more advanced role, thereby putting him in a much better area of the pitch for chance creation.
MarkSFC Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I do not think he was as bad as some are making out on Sunday but he is not skilful enough to make the difference when you come up against a defensive unit like West Broms. This means he's not good enough to start every game. His main skill that needs serious improvement is his shooting; now that IS poor. If he can sort that out and it's almost certainly more a mental obstacle than a technical one, then he will have a chance of making it with us, otherwise I think he will be gone in 18 months. Clasie will be interesting when he finally gets going and will take the pressure off JWP.
The9 Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I'm quite pleased we're giving him the chance to develop in this newer DM/CM role when you consider how many games it took Schneiderlin to discover his best role and the sort of timescale Ward-Prowse has had so far to do the same. I think Romeu is a solid DM and it looks to me like we're trying to develop JWP to play alongside him when Wanyama goes, as well as giving us some tactical options other than Davis, and also developing Romeu by challenging him to claim his place.
Lemons Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 What passing backwards and sideways quickly This was about set pieces. Corners tend to be useless if they don't go backwards or sideways. Sent from my D2403 using Tapatalk
Mowgli Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Once you've read all the comments here, go back and look for the Morgan Schneiderlin thread from 5 years ago. Uncannily similar!
david in sweden Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 no way would he be likely to go so early in his career, but what sort of £ee would he likely to command next summer ...if ...?
ally_uk Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I think the Koeman way is to play defensibly sound football after all take Liverpool for instance you can have all the attacking talent in the world and throw the cheque book at numerous carlos kick a balls however what is the point if your back four is weaker than a granny doing dead-lifts...... Take a look at the last few games with Southampton and you will see what I mean after leaking quite a few goals early season you can see that Koeman is trying to build the spine at the back after the loss of Toby, Clyne and Morgan. The attacking part will gradually get better but you can see that the mans main focus is to stop us shipping to many goals. Possession football is nice however you can chain as many passes together as you want but what is the point if you lack the capabilities to whack the ball in the back of the net? that's the problem opposition teams will sit-back wait for the sloppy pass and get you on the counter.... I think we need to take more risks, shoot more / test the keeper more, stop relying on hoofing the ball up to Pelle and actually get somebody who is willing to take players on and can finish.
St Marco Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 Just Premier League? Source? How many games has JWP started at attacking midfield in the premier league? I'll judge Davis on the whole year, which has been really, really poor. Which do you think more likely to improve? Davis http://www.squawka.com/players/steven-davis/stats#performance-score#southampton-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-5#by-match JWP http://www.squawka.com/players/james-ward-prowse/stats#performance-score#southampton-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-5#by-match Based on performance stats he is actually one of our lowest scoring players. His defensive and attacking stats are terrible for someone with that many minutes. Personally I would change the midfield to Wanyama - Romeu Davis Tadic Mane Davis and Tadic make up for the vast amount of our chances created. And I think Mane can create problems in the same way Tadic has been doing. Plus Mane can create better chances than JWP imo.
Verbal Kint Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 (edited) Interesting stat for you. This season JWP has created 5 chances where as Davis has created 15. Only Tadic is ahead of him with 16. Davis is doing far better than JWP so if either of them were to be dropped it should be JWP. Davis http://www.squawka.com/players/steven-davis/stats#performance-score#southampton-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-5#by-match JWP http://www.squawka.com/players/james-ward-prowse/stats#performance-score#southampton-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2015/2016#165#all-matches#1-5#by-match Based on performance stats he is actually one of our lowest scoring players. His defensive and attacking stats are terrible for someone with that many minutes. Personally I would change the midfield to Wanyama - Romeu Davis Tadic Mane Davis and Tadic make up for the vast amount of our chances created. And I think Mane can create problems in the same way Tadic has been doing. Plus Mane can create better chances than JWP imo. According to the site you have linked to, 5 of the 16 "chances" Davis has created came against West Brom, a game in which, according to that site, we created 14 "chances". Forgive me for thinking that that is a load of ********. And it is yet more proof that most stats used in football are a load of rubbish Edited 15 September, 2015 by Verbal Kint
ally_uk Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 I'd keep him as a impact sub / play cup games and tell him to work on finishing
Convict Colony Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 A nice wish list I'd like to see this season, Tadic doesn't track back much so have the wall wayama behind him so he can feed the forwards with Clasie being the deep lying playmaker. Wanyama - Clasie Tadic Mane. Pelle. JRod
Saint Benali Posted 15 September, 2015 Posted 15 September, 2015 According to the site you have linked to, 5 of the 16 "chances" Davis has created came against West Brom, a game in which, according to that site, we created 14 "chances". Forgive me for thinking that that is a load of ********. And it is yet more proof that most stats used in football are a load of rubbish Squawka use the official pl opta stats.....
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