Maggie May Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 MICK WADSWORTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Successful due to an unprecedented level of player ability (more Prem players in that squad than for years), plus a core of U21s who'd played together for 5 years under Brian Flynn. Not to mention Bale. So you mean he's over-achieving with a settled core of Prem Lge players, he's got them all on the bus and rowing in the same direction, and he is integrating/managing his star player really well? Sounds ideal, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Eddie Howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Mark Warburton Now there's a guy who knows which side of his bread is buttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Stuart Lancaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Glenn Hoddle...of course ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 2 years ? Same Question. Did he sign an extension ? I thought this was his final year Nope, 3 year contract, barely into his second year. Being a man of integrity, he will be here until the end of next season unless we have a mare and the Board give him the old heave ho (v. unlikely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Gary Monk all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 So you mean he's over-achieving with a settled core of Prem Lge players, he's got them all on the bus and rowing in the same direction, and he is integrating/managing his star player really well? Sounds ideal, to me. He won't be getting near Saints, his washing machine is too unreliable. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/nov/13/newsstory.realsociedad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 couldn't give two s**ts to be honest cross that bridge when we come to it....... Good job that's not the club's approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Successful due to an unprecedented level of player ability (more Prem players in that squad than for years), plus a core of U21s who'd played together for 5 years under Brian Flynn. Not to mention Bale. Bit harsh. Someone still has to get that team picked, motivated and performing and they are top of a group they were in pot 4 for. Plus a 9th place finish in the Premier League and was doing very nicely in Spain before something went wrong with his chairman. Not saying I'd want him bit he's decent I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I'm not sure we'll be the step up that Monk would want. By that time he could have much better offers. I've said for a long time that Howe has been on our radar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if its already being planned to approach him as a replacement for RK in the long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Jurgen Klopp. Without Koeman who knows who we would have starting for us right now. An experienced established manager definitely has a further pull for signings and the way we advertise ourselves as a "showcase" club, I can see us needing to continue signing players for foreseeable future. Having said that, I wouldn't mind Gary Monk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Monk or Howe. We'd be a perfect step up for both of them, and pretty sure they'd both come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Obviously it wont be Klopp, unless he has a monumental failure in his next job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Monk or Howe. We'd be a perfect step up for both of them, and pretty sure they'd both come. Didn't Howe turn us down before we got Adkins? Not sure why Monk would come to us to be honest, he's been at Swansea a long time now and I imagine it would have to be a big step up for him to leave, which we are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Erwin Koeman 100% agree - why shouldn't we be consistent. I see no reason why Erwin can't carry the job on, unless he also wants to be assistant to Ron at the next role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 couldn't give two s**ts to be honest cross that bridge when we come to it....... Then it's a good job you're not in charge of recruitment ... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 So when you say decent, you really mean one of the most highly sought after managers in world football? When I say decent profile profile, I mean decent profile, hence saying it. Klopp clearly falls into that category, as does Koeman, Garry monk and Eddie how clearly don't. It's not the most challenging principle to grasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 couldn't give two s**ts to be honest cross that bridge when we come to it....... Wayne Bridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Monk or Howe. We'd be a perfect step up for both of them, and pretty sure they'd both come. I would be happy with either but I don't believe for a second that either would come. Hadn't we rejected Howe once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 When I say decent profile profile, I mean decent profile, hence saying it. Klopp clearly falls into that category, as does Koeman, Garry monk and Eddie how clearly don't. It's not the most challenging principle to grasp What has profile got to do with it. Effectiveness in the job is what counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Bit harsh. Someone still has to get that team picked, motivated and performing and they are top of a group they were in pot 4 for. Plus a 9th place finish in the Premier League and was doing very nicely in Spain before something went wrong with his chairman. Not saying I'd want him but he's decent I think. I don't think he'd improve England, Scotland or Northern Ireland, let's put it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 So he won't be Koeman's replacement then? Or do you think that he's going to win the Scottish second tier (and, say the Scottish Cup) this season, and then win the Scottish Premiership, League Cup and SFA Cup with Rangers in 2016/17, as well as a superb Europa League run from the Cup qualification? Because that European success is probably the only thing that would put him on our radar for when Koeman leaves? And even then it would still look like a step backwards due to Koeman's playing experience (which I readily admit is not THAT big a deal in terms of managerial ability but does give him a gravitas to players that Warburton wouldn't have). Fair enough if the "in a few years" doesn't mean "after Koeman's contract is up", but that is what we're talking about here. Yes I do. I have a few mates and work with Rangers supporters and they are raving about him . Okay Scottish football is not the power it was but some of us remember how big a club they are not based on silly schoolboy games and made up stats. I believe he will be seen as a good manager in a few years time. Things change in football quickly don't they..... Who is to say that we will keep progressing..... In 2005 I would bet not many fans had us down to finish bottom at start of season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 You'd be a lot more interesting if you just gave your own opinion on things, rather than just challenge everyone else's with facts. They are not facts though they are just a pedantic internet persona and even he doesn't believe it really. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Yes I do. I have a few mates and work with Rangers supporters and they are raving about him . Okay Scottish football is not the power it was but some of us remember how big a club they are not based on silly schoolboy games and made up stats. I believe he will be seen as a good manager in a few years time. Things change in football quickly don't they..... Who is to say that we will keep progressing..... In 2005 I would bet not many fans had us down to finish bottom at start of season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'd get a few quid on that Rangers treble and Europa League run then... decent odds. I'm confused why you're brought FM into this, especially as Rangers themselves did a hell of a job of proving themselves to not be a patch on their former selves last season, and if anything FM perpetuates the idea that big clubs will always be successful. We're talking about him having proven himself by the time Koeman's contract expires, July 2017. And no doubt the club will be keen to avoid a dead-end of a season so we might switch things round a few months before then if he's clearly not going to renew. It doesn't really leave time for Warburton to be in contention at the level I think we'll be looking. Someone with some success in a stats-based environment who's worked with a DoF/management team, firmly aligned beliefs and almost certainly extensive European experience, maybe someone with previous successes but not currently at the top of his game. Could be someone with new ideas underpinned by the kind of things we want to do. If anything Warburton showed he wasn't on board with the analytics stuff at Brentford and we're just a different hue of that. No idea who, it's likely to change a lot in the next 18 months anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I would be happy with either but I don't believe for a second that either would come. Hadn't we rejected Howe once I think both would come. Where else are they going to go? At best Howe will keep the Cherries up then finish mid table the season after. A decent performance if he does it but the kind of thing Steve Coppell has done, or Pulis, or Paul Lambert. What's his next job if Koeman leaves us in 2016 and Eddie Howe has taken the Cherries to 14th in his second season? Ditto Monk, if he achieves two more mid tables, great. So the level of Steve McClaren. Alan Pardew. Mark Hughes. Not wonder managers, but good. Basically those two will be able to take a step up to West Ham/Newcastle/Villa/Everton/etc. We're in that bracket now as bigger clubs than both Swansea and Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 When I say decent profile profile, I mean decent profile, hence saying it. Klopp clearly falls into that category, as does Koeman, Garry monk and Eddie how clearly don't. It's not the most challenging principle to grasp You're not a particularly nuanced thinker, are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintVanderbilt Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Seedorf, You heard it here first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I'd get a few quid on that Rangers treble and Europa League run then... decent odds. I'm confused why you're brought FM into this, especially as Rangers themselves did a hell of a job of proving themselves to not be a patch on their former selves last season, and if anything FM perpetuates the idea that big clubs will always be successful. We're talking about him having proven himself by the time Koeman's contract expires, July 2017. And no doubt the club will be keen to avoid a dead-end of a season so we might switch things round a few months before then if he's clearly not going to renew. It doesn't really leave time for Warburton to be in contention at the level I think we'll be looking. Someone with some success in a stats-based environment who's worked with a DoF/management team, firmly aligned beliefs and almost certainly extensive European experience, maybe someone with previous successes but not currently at the top of his game. Could be someone with new ideas underpinned by the kind of things we want to do. If anything Warburton showed he wasn't on board with the analytics stuff at Brentford and we're just a different hue of that. No idea who, it's likely to change a lot in the next 18 months anyway. Big clubs will always be successful...Rangers are a massive club far bigger than Swansea or Bournemouth who have managers touted on here and his stock will rise far more than Howe who turned us down. Warburton profile will be higher that is my point really. Things may change Reed walks away with better job - Kat may fall out of love with us - who knows. Some good points above about bringing in replacement earlier before Ron goes but let's hope we continue onwards for a while yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Big clubs will always be successful...Rangers are a massive club far bigger than Swansea or Bournemouth who have managers touted on here and his stock will rise far more than Howe who turned us down. Warburton profile will be higher that is my point really. Things may change Reed walks away with better job - Kat may fall out of love with us - who knows. Some good points above about bringing in replacement earlier before Ron goes but let's hope we continue onwards for a while yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think we have to retain some premise of continuity or there's no point discussing it. As for "Rangers are bigger than Swansea", there are a ton of arguments there, but money and prestige are going to be the two main motivators and they've probably got one of those each. "Newco" have a big ground and claim a lot of history, but they're currently the team who weren't as good as Hearts and Hibs in the second tier last year and a year behind schedule with their comeback, plus there's no guarantee they'll have the money to match Celtic without repeating an administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I think we have to retain some premise of continuity or there's no point discussing it. As for "Rangers are bigger than Swansea", there are a ton of arguments there, but money and prestige are going to be the two main motivators and they've probably got one of those each. "Newco" have a big ground and claim a lot of history, but they're currently the team who weren't as good as Hearts and Hibs in the second tier last year and a year behind schedule with their comeback, plus there's no guarantee they'll have the money to match Celtic without repeating an administration. Continuity works for me...... How about Dave Watson our goalkeeping coach also seems to be England tactics relay man. Coached along by Ron in next few years? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I'd just leave it to the board. They have been doing a great job picking managers without us lot recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Marian Pahars Hmmmm. So many would want that to work out brilliantly. But it probably would not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 It's worth remembering that Neil Lennon expected a Premier League job when he left Celtic and ended up managing Bolton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Gary Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Andre Villas-Boas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Andre Villas-Boas. That's a good shout. He still has unfinished business in the Premier League and is a project man. Gary Rowett at Birmingham is looking increasingly impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I think both would come. Where else are they going to go? At best Howe will keep the Cherries up then finish mid table the season after. A decent performance if he does it but the kind of thing Steve Coppell has done, or Pulis, or Paul Lambert. What's his next job if Koeman leaves us in 2016 and Eddie Howe has taken the Cherries to 14th in his second season? Ditto Monk, if he achieves two more mid tables, great. So the level of Steve McClaren. Alan Pardew. Mark Hughes. Not wonder managers, but good. Basically those two will be able to take a step up to West Ham/Newcastle/Villa/Everton/etc. We're in that bracket now as bigger clubs than both Swansea and Bournemouth. I know that it is all about opinions but unless we consistently finish in the top six i cannot see we are anything but a sideways move for those two - Monk in particular. If the Cherries were to be relegated then perhaps Howe but would we want him in that case. FWIW I think that he is superb coach from what I have gleaned about the way he operates - a meticulous planner so I would still say yes even if they were relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 howe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Gary Monk won't leave Swansea unless its for a CL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 JImmy Floyd Hasselbaink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I know that it is all about opinions but unless we consistently finish in the top six i cannot see we are anything but a sideways move for those two - Monk in particular. If the Cherries were to be relegated then perhaps Howe but would we want him in that case. FWIW I think that he is superb coach from what I have gleaned about the way he operates - a meticulous planner so I would still say yes even if they were relegated. Which club would be a likely destination for Garry Monk or Eddie Howe that represents not a sideways move? Swansea and Bournemouth are both smaller clubs than we are and we represent a genuine new challenge for both of them. I am struggling to see what big club is suddenly going to give them a job? Maybe, maybe Spurs or Everton but really not that likely - Eddie Howe has already bottled out of living north of Watford so that's him out of Everton already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 I would like to see Gary Monk, as a former Saint, he would have the club at heart. On the assumption that Koeman is not going to have an absolute disaster over the next couple of seasons and get sacked, at lwast we have time to put things in place. Don't think he enjoyed his time here TBH. Howe or Another high profile Dutchy for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 10 September, 2015 Share Posted 10 September, 2015 Here's our man. And a native son, to boot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_White_(football) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 11 September, 2015 Share Posted 11 September, 2015 Originally Posted by Saint Garrett Marian Pahars Hmmmm. So many would want that to work out brilliantly. But it probably would not He would have a lightening start - great first season, getting us in to top 4 and Europe, being nicknamed the Latvian "Sir Alex" , only to be followed by several "knee-ly" and frustrating seasons, leading to questions about his appetite and "fitness" for managing the might Saints, and Latvian "Ferggie time" being called way too early! He would eventually be farmed out to manage some unknown Eastern European Club that no one can pounce, and we would forever mourn our greatest ever would be manager, with the club record "knee caps" :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 11 September, 2015 Share Posted 11 September, 2015 I'm not sure we'll be the step up that Monk would want. By that time he could have much better offers. I've said for a long time that Howe has been on our radar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if its already being planned to approach him as a replacement for RK in the long term like....? It's not the same as players, where skill is rewarded with being handed a debut. I think the kind of managers that would go to top 4/5 teams in this day and age, are from a very select pool of managers. The only possibilities as a step up in the remotely near future would be liverpool. Every other team (arsenal, utd, city, chelsea) I think would want to see much more experience before hiring a manager. Or spurs. but then theres levy-gate to deal with. I think it wouldn't be unexpected for him to move to saints and sign a longer deal, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 11 September, 2015 Share Posted 11 September, 2015 2 years ? Same Question. Did he sign an extension ? I thought this was his final year He's jut trying to put everyone off the scent.... Vectis has his eye on the job himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 11 September, 2015 Share Posted 11 September, 2015 Would have loved Bruno Metsu but, alas, he is now ratifying Carsten Janckner's transfer in the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 11 September, 2015 Share Posted 11 September, 2015 As his Saints contract runs until July 2017 he may as well sign an extension to 2018 at least because the next Dutch National Team manager will surely get a deal until the World Cup in 2018. Mind you the way they are just now they probably won't qualify so perhaps 2017 is about right for Ronald to take over!! Probably all depends on our progress too. Assuming he does go in 17 or 18 I would like to see us go for Eddie Howe if he has kept Bournemouth up in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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