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It is going to be impossible for Clyne to move anywhere else... He signed a 5 year contract hahaha.

 

If he had used his brain- I genuinely believe he could be at Chelsea or Man City in the next year...

Zabaleta and Ivanovic need replacing soon- hence why he should have signed a one/two year contract this summer.

 

He's now stuck with Europa League football for the next 5 years... Before eventually falling in decline and going somewhere like Stoke...

Good job he didn't use his brain then, otherwise we'd probably have lost him for nothing.

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simo

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People are going on about Rooney, but he and Walcott have both been in the England set up for around ten years now and at the same time as Rooney came level with Charlton, Walcott finally pulled level with...Emile Heskey.

 

Rooney hasn't been plagued by injuries!

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Matthew Le God

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Wonder whos on the list for our next manager....

 

 

After Koeman that would be a perfect choice

 

he would but zero chance. absolute zero

 

Oh come on Batman, don't poo poo everything all the time.

 

Batman should be court-martialled.

 

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Pretty meaningless as a statement given the vast range in quality of international players representing 200 countries. What definition is he using for "international quality"?

 

What do you think it means?

 

Surely, every player is world class as they play on earth?

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What do you think it means?

 

I wouldn't ever use it, as it is flawed as a statement and has no real meaning.

 

If he said Pelle is a drop in quality from Italian international strikers of the past, then I'd agree. But to say "Pelle isn't international quality" is meaningless as it has no context to it.

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Wilkins was musing on the lack of quality in Italy's team compared to a few years ago. He wasn't being that negative about Pelle, just pointing out that he feels he is somewhat limited compared to some of their previous strikers.

 

In all fairness he is correct. Their whole team is desperately poor considering some of the quality sides they have put out in the not too distant past.

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simo

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2 against the mighty Malta and 1 against England in a friendly. Those of an unkind nature might suggest that record is akin to being a flat-track bully.

Could say the same about Rooney's record with the amount of minnows we all play these days!?

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What do you think it means?

 

Surely, every player is world class as they play on earth?

 

I think that rubber mask is preventing the oxygen getting through to your brain. Perhaps every player should be earth class?

We all know surely what is meant by World Class? It means players that are good enough to play in the best teams. Not just at club level but at International level. Which is the point I was making about Morgan the other day which you seemed to miss. If a player is keeping him out of the French team then Morgan cant be considered World Class yet. The point at which he would keep all other players out, then he becomes World Class. You used the point that Pogba was keeping him out which surely means that Pogba is the better player. If Morgan was truly World Class he would keep Pogba out of the team. With it yet?

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I think that rubber mask is preventing the oxygen getting through to your brain. Perhaps every player should be earth class?

We all know surely what is meant by World Class? It means players that are good enough to play in the best teams. Not just at club level but at International level. Which is the point I was making about Morgan the other day which you seemed to miss. If a player is keeping him out of the French team then Morgan cant be considered World Class yet. The point at which he would keep all other players out, then he becomes World Class. You used the point that Pogba was keeping him out which surely means that Pogba is the better player. If Morgan was truly World Class he would keep Pogba out of the team. With it yet?

 

That's plainly nonsense. You could have two world class goalkeepers who through an accident of birth happen to be the same nationality. Both of them can't play yet that doesn't prevent them from being world class. An international team may also not be set up tactically to get the best out of a world class player and thus for tactical reasons they may be on the bench or they may have an idiotic manager who doesn't recognise how to get the best out of world class talent (look at met who was probably in the top five in the world at what he did when he was playing) . For me it's someone who is the top five in the world in their position. Obviously there will be debate with that but I reckon Morgan is up there.

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I think that rubber mask is preventing the oxygen getting through to your brain. Perhaps every player should be earth class?

We all know surely what is meant by World Class? It means players that are good enough to play in the best teams. Not just at club level but at International level. Which is the point I was making about Morgan the other day which you seemed to miss. If a player is keeping him out of the French team then Morgan cant be considered World Class yet. The point at which he would keep all other players out, then he becomes World Class. You used the point that Pogba was keeping him out which surely means that Pogba is the better player. If Morgan was truly World Class he would keep Pogba out of the team. With it yet?

 

I wonder who had more class.

MLT or carlton palmer, or david stuart ripley?

 

the managers picked those ahead of thre great man

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Charlton also played in an era where and decent player had lumps kicked out of them. Pele was kicked out of the WC in 1962. With Rooney's temperament I doubt if he would of stayed on the pitch for long in many of the matches.

 

Ah but also when you didn't get substituted (well, apart from that one time in 1970 :o)...

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Wilkins was musing on the lack of quality in Italy's team compared to a few years ago. He wasn't being that negative about Pelle, just pointing out that he feels he is somewhat limited compared to some of their previous strikers.

 

In all fairness he is correct. Their whole team is desperately poor considering some of the quality sides they have put out in the not too distant past.

 

They managed to win the World Cup in 2006 despite not getting out of a group with Sweden, Bulgaria and Denmark in Euro 2004. They're always second rate... except when they're winning the World Cup!

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except England's WC was a fix by FIFA to reward the inventors of the game , sending off the Argie and awarding random goals in the final meant FIFAs obligation was fulfilled hence no more WC s for England . If Greaves and Paine were picked we might have won anyway but these things are not discussed openly just a tacit understanding that it was England's turn .....

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except England's WC was a fix by FIFA to reward the inventors of the game , sending off the Argie and awarding random goals in the final meant FIFAs obligation was fulfilled hence no more WC s for England . If Greaves and Paine were picked we might have won anyway but these things are not discussed openly just a tacit understanding that it was England's turn .....

:lol:

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except England's WC was a fix by FIFA to reward the inventors of the game , sending off the Argie and awarding random goals in the final meant FIFAs obligation was fulfilled hence no more WC s for England . If Greaves and Paine were picked we might have won anyway but these things are not discussed openly just a tacit understanding that it was England's turn .....

 

Box of frogs.

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People are going on about Rooney, but he and Walcott have both been in the England set up for around ten years now and at the same time as Rooney came level with Charlton, Walcott finally pulled level with...Emile Heskey.

 

Rooney made his first tournament appearance in 2004, Walcott made his first tournament appearance in 2012. He was a token pick in 2006 when he went to the world cup, we didn't qualify for 2008 and he was left out the squad for 2010 - which Capello has since admitted was a mistake and even Messi said was a shock.

 

Rooney was 18 when he went to the 2004 tournament, Walcott was 16 when he went to the world cup 2 years later.

 

Walcott has had massive injury problems whereas Rooney has played probably well over 90% of the games for England in the last 10 years.

 

And finally...Walcott has been wrongly shoved out onto the wing for his entire career since leaving Saints. On the odd occasion he has played up front in the last season or two for Arsenal, he has looked incredible and banged the goals in.

 

Your comparison is ludicrous.

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For me, Lineker and Greaves are a cut above anyone else to wear the shirt. Greaves' record for England was outstanding and Lineker was a proper tournament player. Won a golden boot in 86 and was runner up in the ballon d'or that year.

 

Rooney has been utter ****e for England for a number of years now and i'm fed up of us building our attack around such a static, predictable striker. His record has been padded out. Look at the teams he has scored his goals against. Don't think he's scored once against the likes of Italy, France, Germany or Spain.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player and he scores goals but talks of him being an England great wind me up tbh. Some proper top class, world class players have played up top for England. Players that Rooney isn't fit to lace the boots of!

 

Rant over :)

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Northern Ireland continue to impress me of the Home Nations. You can see why Wales are doing well in modern times, their backbone is very strong in Hennessey, Williams, Ramsey and Bale, with the latter two as 'the superstars', but Northern Ireland have no real standout superstars, just hard working, half-decent players led by Davis with the luxury of a goalscorer in form in Lafferty.

 

Having a a look at the squads amongst the home nations, if there were a Great Britain XI, you could see quite a few Welsh players in with the English, but I'd be hard pushed to include a Northern Irish player. Makes their potential qualification all the more impressive.

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Rooney made his first tournament appearance in 2004, Walcott made his first tournament appearance in 2012. He was a token pick in 2006 when he went to the world cup, we didn't qualify for 2008 and he was left out the squad for 2010 - which Capello has since admitted was a mistake and even Messi said was a shock.

 

Rooney was 18 when he went to the 2004 tournament, Walcott was 16 when he went to the world cup 2 years later.

 

Walcott has had massive injury problems whereas Rooney has played probably well over 90% of the games for England in the last 10 years.

 

And finally...Walcott has been wrongly shoved out onto the wing for his entire career since leaving Saints. On the odd occasion he has played up front in the last season or two for Arsenal, he has looked incredible and banged the goals in.

 

Your comparison is ludicrous.

 

so am i understanding you correctly that you are saying walcott is a better player than rooney? ooooooooookkay.

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except England's WC was a fix by FIFA to reward the inventors of the game , sending off the Argie and awarding random goals in the final meant FIFAs obligation was fulfilled hence no more WC s for England . If Greaves and Paine were picked we might have won anyway but these things are not discussed openly just a tacit understanding that it was England's turn .....

 

Interesting conspiracy theory. It is a shame Pap isn't here for this one! Once Ramsey had decided on 4-3-3 and the use of Cohen and Wilson as overlapping full backs, the wingers were finished at that level, as was Terry Paine. The debate about the third goal will go on forever but I am not sure where you get random goals from? There was no problem with the rest of them. If it was fixed why did Germany press so hard and get that late equaliser? I think you are probably the only person who thinks that the WC of 1966 was fixed.

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Good point in Belfast last night, Davis was excellent.

Though to be fair I believe Davis' foul gave away the free kick that lead to the Hungarian goal. The red card for Baird was ridiculous, although when looking at both incidents they were deserving of yellows, just the way the ref dealt with it was not right. As the manager said he would not have committed the second one if he had known he was going to get a yellow for the first. The suspensions for 3 key players could well hurt in their next game against Greece. But good luck to them, they may not play the prettiest football but for commitment, endeavour, hard work and spirit they thoroughly deserve to get through.

 

Actually maybe it wasn't Davis foul, can't find a replay but text commentary says it was Brunt.

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The red card for Baird was ridiculous, although when looking at both incidents they were deserving of yellows, just the way the ref dealt with it was not right. As the manager said he would not have committed the second one if he had known he was going to get a yellow for the first.

 

What do you think the ref should have done then? There was a clear advantage to be played and they would have been upset if he had stopped the move, the ref is allowed to go back and book previous incidents and the second incident was clearly worth another booking. Baird deserved what he got, the second one he had no intention of getting the ball you could see the aggression on his face and was purely out to hack him down.

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