sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Both. 7th highest spenders. Spent some £40m on improving the training facilities. Not too shabby for a club that isn't owned as a billionaires plaything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 7th highest spenders. Spent some £40m on improving the training facilities. Not too shabby for a club that isn't owned as a billionaires plaything. But it's net spend that is surely more relevant than gross spend. But I do agree, there are costs to cover, Osvaldo, Ramirez, Mayuka, and the training ground is a big, on-going investment. It's no black and white, it's a fine balance to get right, I appreciate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Balancing the books is never as exciting as a big signing but there is something satisfying about doing well on a budget. Swansea looked quality the other day and Palace look a really good side this season. I think the club had its fingers burnt over Osvaldo, Ramirez and Mayuka and perhaps are playing it a bit safe right now and I cant really blame them for that. Still, if Vic can sort his head out and we get more consistency out of the Pelles, Tadics and JWPs we could be up for another decent season. Just a shame that the European expedition was such a damp squib! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 (edited) Cost of current players in squads across the big 5 European Leagues, and Saints are pretty high... 6 clubs higher in England 3 clubs higher in Spain 1 club higher in France 1 club higher in Germany 3 clubs higher in Italy Makes Saints 15th out of all the clubs in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France. The graphic isn't a list of all our buys, it is a list of the cost of players currently in the squad. So it doesn't include the cost to buy Lovren or Osvaldo for example as they are no longer at the club. Edited 3 September, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Cost of current players in squads across the big 5 European Leagues, and Saints are pretty high... 6 clubs higher in England 3 clubs higher in Spain 1 club higher in France 1 club higher in Germany 3 clubs higher in Italy Makes Saints 15th out of all the clubs in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France. Is there a comparable list showing value of sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Is there a comparable list showing value of sales? They aren't opposites of each other. The graphic isn't a list of buys, it is a list of the cost of players currently in the squad. So it doesn't include the cost to buy Lovren or Osvaldo for example as they are no longer at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 They aren't opposites of each other. The graphic isn't a list of buys, it is a list of the cost of players currently in the squad. So it doesn't include the cost to buy Lovren or Osvaldo for example as they are no longer at the club. Fair enough, guess that makes sense. Does that suggest that finishing 7th isn't an over-achievement for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 All this ignores the salaries of players. You can't look at these numbers in isolation. Gross, Net only show part of the picture. FWIW if we stay in the top 10 & outside the top 4 we will lose a quality player to two each summer. Top 6 pay double what we pay in wages. I actually think that's the business model. Buy in potential, if they succeed we sell half way through their contract. VFTT is right, we don't appear to do big ticket transfers very well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 In case you haven't gathered, the two charts are comparing vastly different time periods. Couldnt care less about Sunderland or Norwich's net spend over one window; its net spend over a longer period, though, is another matter. Ultimately, let's keep things very simple for you, kiddo: on paper, which side would be stronger: one that spent €180 on players or one that spent €180m while keeping the likes of Schneiderlin, Shaw, Lallana, Chamberlain et al. Not too difficult is, it? It's one metric. It's not the only metric. It's not the most important metric. Happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/02/12/2BE1F8D600000578-3219430-Net_spending_broken_down_by_club_in_the_Premier_League_during_th-m-1_1441192513573.jpg net spend table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Cost of current players in squads across the big 5 European Leagues, and Saints are pretty high... 6 clubs higher in England 3 clubs higher in Spain 1 club higher in France 1 club higher in Germany 3 clubs higher in Italy Makes Saints 15th out of all the clubs in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France. The graphic isn't a list of all our buys, it is a list of the cost of players currently in the squad. So it doesn't include the cost to buy Lovren or Osvaldo for example as they are no longer at the club. Certainly an interesting graphic. Would I be right in thinking that loans wouldn't have a value (Caulker and Stek) and that our academy products such as JWP, Reed and Targett wouldn't either. Think we got S.Davis in on a free as well (or at least just compensation). Would go to show just how much money we have pumped into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Cost of current players in squads across the big 5 European Leagues, and Saints are pretty high... 6 clubs higher in England 3 clubs higher in Spain 1 club higher in France 1 club higher in Germany 3 clubs higher in Italy Makes Saints 15th out of all the clubs in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France. The graphic isn't a list of all our buys, it is a list of the cost of players currently in the squad. So it doesn't include the cost to buy Lovren or Osvaldo for example as they are no longer at the club. It shows the cost of players. A table of player values would be interesting. For example Swansea paid £3m for Cork Ayew and Gomis and they are probably worth £40m - £50m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 It shows the cost of players. A table of player values would be interesting. For example Swansea paid £3m for Cork Ayew and Gomis and they are probably worth £40m - £50m. You also need to take into account wages and sign-on fees. Ayew and Gomis are being paid eye watering amounts from Swansea. Gomis received an £8m signing-on fee from Swansea and Ayew is believed to have the same sort of deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/02/12/2BE1F8D600000578-3219430-Net_spending_broken_down_by_club_in_the_Premier_League_during_th-m-1_1441192513573.jpg net spend table Is there an accurate one for the last five years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 All this ignores the salaries of players. You can't look at these numbers in isolation. Gross, Net only show part of the picture. FWIW if we stay in the top 10 & outside the top 4 we will lose a quality player to two each summer. Top 6 pay double what we pay in wages. I actually think that's the business model. Buy in potential, if they succeed we sell half way through their contract. VFTT is right, we don't appear to do big ticket transfers very well!! This is right, I think. What was it Les Red called us: a show-case club? We buy fairly low, sell high, and buy fairly low again. So long as the old black box keeps identifying the right players to buy fairly low, and the academy keeps producing, we can stay on the fringes of the top 6 or 8 in the Prem and remain a fiscally sound club. I think we did very well this summer: took in nearly 40 million from sale of 2 players, and replaced them with similarly talented players while strengthening elsewhere: Romeu and Juanmi in particular are additional to what we had last year (granting that Cedric, Clasie, and VvD replace Clyne, Morgan, and Toby). That's excellent business, and along with JRod's return means we bid fair to be better this year than last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 On the salary front, we will eventually have to look at our existing structure. If the clubs that we are supposed to be competing with now can effectively double or triple player wages over night, our players will always be attainable for others and easy to unsettle. Is 25K per week enough for Mane over 4 years? Utd would find it slightly more difficult to offer a triple pay rise as reported if the starting position wasn't so low and he'd still probably be on the lower end of scale at that rate in terms of what Utd pay first team players. Madness really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 It shows the cost of players. A table of player values would be interesting. For example Swansea paid £3m for Cork Ayew and Gomis and they are probably worth £40m - £50m. Still amazes me in this day and age people think a player is 'free'. Players like this are on huge money and are certainly not free. As someone else has alluded, the sign on fees are huge. Thanks Mr Bosman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Pretty decent window to be fair and the club continues to be run on sound financial means. Whether performances on the pitch continue to live up to expectations remains to be seen however - a win against Norwich may not be the best indicator of the outcome of our season. If the Europa league is the indicator, then we'll be dumped into the Championship by Christmas. I don't think it'll be that bad, but I don't think we'll match last seasons highs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 It shows the cost of players. A table of player values would be interesting. For example Swansea paid £3m for Cork Ayew and Gomis and they are probably worth £40m - £50m. Still amazes me in this day and age people think a player is 'free'. Players like this are on huge money and are certainly not free. As someone else has alluded, the sign on fees are huge. Thanks Mr Bosman. But these 'hidden' costs are not shown in the table was the point I was making. By the way even if a transfer is paid for is there still a (smaller) signing on fee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 Still amazes me in this day and age people think a player is 'free'. Players like this are on huge money and are certainly not free. As someone else has alluded, the sign on fees are huge. Thanks Mr Bosman. not sure anyone actually does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 On the salary front, we will eventually have to look at our existing structure. If the clubs that we are supposed to be competing with now can effectively double or triple player wages over night, our players will always be attainable for others and easy to unsettle. Is 25K per week enough for Mane over 4 years? Utd would find it slightly more difficult to offer a triple pay rise as reported if the starting position wasn't so low and he'd still probably be on the lower end of scale at that rate in terms of what Utd pay first team players. Madness really. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-wages-your-club-5729730 If you look at average squad salaries, we were 15/20 in 2013/14 (latest figures), though differences across the middle-of-the-pack sides are pretty small. Of course, averages don't tell the whole story. Pay between the top and bottom squad members could be very unequal which is not implausible for a squad like ours that until recently has lacked depth. Figures are also unlikely to capture performance-based incentives very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 On the salary front, we will eventually have to look at our existing structure. If the clubs that we are supposed to be competing with now can effectively double or triple player wages over night, our players will always be attainable for others and easy to unsettle. Is 25K per week enough for Mane over 4 years? Utd would find it slightly more difficult to offer a triple pay rise as reported if the starting position wasn't so low and he'd still probably be on the lower end of scale at that rate in terms of what Utd pay first team players. Madness really. I agree. It is one thing picking up decent players relatively cheaply, but at some point we will come a cropper if we don't pay players more. We can be a forward thinking modern club, but we also need to be competitive on pay scales with other clubs of our size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 PREMIER LEAGUE CLUBS' FINANCIAL FIGURES FOR 2013-14 SEASON Club Wages Turnover Wages to Turnover Profit after Tax Manchester United £215.8m £433.2m 50% £23.8m Manchester City £205m £346.5m 59% -£22.9m Chelsea £192.7m £319.8m 60% -£49.4m Arsenal £166.4m £298.7m 56% £7.3m Liverpool £144m £256m 56% £0.4m Tottenham £100.4m £180.5m 56% £65.3m Newcastle £78.3m £129.7m 62% £18.7m QPR £75.3m £38.7m 195% -£9.7m Sunderland £69.5m £104.4m 67% -£17.1m Everton £69.3m £86.4m 58% £28.2m Aston Villa £69.3m £116.9m 59% -£3.9m West Brom £65.4m £86.8m 75% £9m West Ham £63.9m £114.9m 56% £10.3m Swansea £48.1m £98.7m 64% £1.7m Stoke £60.6m £98.3m 67% £3.8m Southampton £55.2m £106m 59.30% £33.4m Crystal Palace £45.7m £90.4m 50.50% £17.2m Hull £43.3m £84.5m 64% £9.4m Leicester £36.6m £31.2m 116% -£20.8m Burnley £21.5m £19.6m 110% -£4.2m Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3049099/Southampton-FOURTH-lowest-Premier-League-salary-total-despite-seventh-does-club-fare-wages-table.html#ixzz3khN9QNz6 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 PREMIER LEAGUE CLUBS' FINANCIAL FIGURES FOR 2013-14 SEASON Club Wages Turnover Wages to Turnover Profit after Tax Manchester United £215.8m £433.2m 50% £23.8m Manchester City £205m £346.5m 59% -£22.9m Chelsea £192.7m £319.8m 60% -£49.4m Arsenal £166.4m £298.7m 56% £7.3m Liverpool £144m £256m 56% £0.4m Tottenham £100.4m £180.5m 56% £65.3m Newcastle £78.3m £129.7m 62% £18.7m QPR £75.3m £38.7m 195% -£9.7m Sunderland £69.5m £104.4m 67% -£17.1m Everton £69.3m £86.4m 58% £28.2m Aston Villa £69.3m £116.9m 59% -£3.9m West Brom £65.4m £86.8m 75% £9m West Ham £63.9m £114.9m 56% £10.3m Swansea £48.1m £98.7m 64% £1.7m Stoke £60.6m £98.3m 67% £3.8m Southampton £55.2m £106m 59.30% £33.4m Crystal Palace £45.7m £90.4m 50.50% £17.2m Hull £43.3m £84.5m 64% £9.4m Leicester £36.6m £31.2m 116% -£20.8m Burnley £21.5m £19.6m 110% -£4.2m Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3049099/Southampton-FOURTH-lowest-Premier-League-salary-total-despite-seventh-does-club-fare-wages-table.html#ixzz3khN9QNz6 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Not sure if that relates to player wages; or total club wages (from Les Reed right down to the tea lady). If it's Companies House Data, I'd assume it's the latter, so not a very good measure of our ability to recruit and retain better players. The Mirror article cited above uses data that manages to separate players wages from the rest of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 September, 2015 Share Posted 3 September, 2015 (edited) I think it is just players wages - it says so in the editorial. From elsewhere it looks like Ron is on £3m and he is about the 5th highest paid manager in the Prem. Edited 3 September, 2015 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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