They may have signed Toby....

[sussexsaint]

North London Yobbos - R .Lowe

[Saint IQ]

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/scbc-fans-obsession-with-the-mighty-spurs.15497/ Was very bored last night so had a little look at there forum. My thread has made it on the spurs forum hahahahaha. Nearly all of them don't understand why we don't like them? and the title! we are apparently obsessed yet they obviously go on this site and then even make a thread about a thread on this site. Hilarious

[sadoldgit]

Only been to WHL twice, both times with a Spuds supporting mate. The first time we were first in the ground and found a decent vantage point on the half way line. About 10 mins later this oik came up and told us to f**k off as that was his spot. Next time we went we were jumped on by a bunch of kids who nicked my mates Spuds scarf and swung a few punches at us. Another time he went with a Palace supporting mate and this guy ended up getting a smack in the mouth despite being with a Spuds supporter. Nasty supporters, nasty club who live on past glories.

[Colinjb]

I just think this thread says more about us than them.

 

The fact that we are now treating Southamton as a rival to put the effort in to take the **** out of is quite tragic really.

 

Decent little club that has been quite successful for a few years now. We have treated them like **** and are constantly sniffing around for their players and managers.

 

Embarrassing thread.

 

One of them gets it.

[angelman]

Levy trying to buy players on the cheap - well **** me, that's a stupid idea isn't it? Much better he follow our example of signing Shlong and the amount we paid for him. I guess some chairmen get frustrated with the low bids, and feel it a waste of time. That's business. The problem is the unsettling of players.

[Dangermouth]

Telegraph article for those who've not seen it yet:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/11849284/Southampton-reluctant-to-do-transfer-business-with-Tottenham-after-patience-snaps-over-Victor-Wanyama.html

[St_Tel49]

Levy trying to buy players on the cheap - well **** me, that's a stupid idea isn't it? Much better he follow our example of signing Shlong and the amount we paid for him. I guess some chairmen get frustrated with the low bids, and feel it a waste of time. That's business. The problem is the unsettling of players.

There are low offers that are clearly starting points for negotiation and there is just taking the p1ss. Levy does the latter. Did he ever get round to making an offer for big Vic via anything other than the newspapers?

[Colinjb]

There are low offers that are clearly starting points for negotiation and there is just taking the p1ss. Levy does the latter. Did he ever get round to making an offer for big Vic via anything other than the newspapers?

 

Absolutely. That we are not the only club p*ssed off with their chairman show's he is being somewhat questionable.

 

Make a derisory bid, hope that the interest shown will be enough to destabilise the player and get them to force a move through and then look to snap the guy up for below market value when the club decides to move on a disruptive influence in the dressing room.

 

Thankfully, thanks to the increased TV money their appeal of larger wages and reputation is being mitigated. Clubs can stand firmer against their bullying tactics. Their strategy also has the side-effect of only letting them sign players with greater potential for being total t*ssers, see Emmanuel Adebayor as a prime example. Ergo, they will never reach their absolute potential.

Edited 8 September, 2015 by Colinjb

[sadoldgit]

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/scbc-fans-obsession-with-the-mighty-spurs.15497/ Was very bored last night so had a little look at there forum. My thread has made it on the spurs forum hahahahaha. Nearly all of them don't understand why we don't like them? and the title! we are apparently obsessed yet they obviously go on this site and then even make a thread about a thread on this site. Hilarious

 

They seem to hate their own chairman more than we do though!

[Wes Tender]

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/scbc-fans-obsession-with-the-mighty-spurs.15497/ Was very bored last night so had a little look at there forum. My thread has made it on the spurs forum hahahahaha. Nearly all of them don't understand why we don't like them? and the title! we are apparently obsessed yet they obviously go on this site and then even make a thread about a thread on this site. Hilarious

 

Who cares what they think? Judging by the standard of response on there, it seems that most of them are on the same intellectual level as those on the Pompey forum.

 

The Telegraph paints an accurate picture of how Levy has alienated the owners of other clubs to the extent that many are reticent to do business with him. Their own fans are disappointed, even disgusted that Levy's shenanigans have resulted in them starting the new season without adequate support for Kane up front and without strengthening their midfield. And yet when we post similar sentiments on our forum, we are derided for it.

 

Post the opinion that Bale's goals had single-handedly propelled them to a respectable position in the table, and the response is that that is what a striker should do. Much as Kane did last season too. An injury of Rodriguez proportions to either of them would have meant them finishing in the bottom half of the table. That is a simply verifiable fact, proven by simply removing the goals that gained them additional points.

 

They cannot accept that they are not one of the top four clubs and have not been for some time, so they deride us that we cannot prevent players going to clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool, but that to go to Spurs would not be seen as that much of a step up in their careers. Alderweireld will appreciate the rise in his wages, but will find that without the protection of the midfield and defence that surrounded him here, he will not shine so brightly as he developes Lovren syndrome. Wanyama, if he knuckles down and has a good season, will thank us when he moves to a bigger club than Spurs, just as Schneiderlin did before him.

 

But of course, they are powerless to prevent their best players leaving for the bigger clubs too. It's just unfortunate for them that apart from Kane, there is hardly anybody in their current team who is wanted by the bigger clubs.

[sadoldgit]

Who cares what they think? Judging by the standard of response on there, it seems that most of them are on the same intellectual level as those on the Pompey forum.

 

The Telegraph paints an accurate picture of how Levy has alienated the owners of other clubs to the extent that many are reticent to do business with him. Their own fans are disappointed, even disgusted that Levy's shenanigans have resulted in them starting the new season without adequate support for Kane up front and without strengthening their midfield. And yet when we post similar sentiments on our forum, we are derided for it.

 

Post the opinion that Bale's goals had single-handedly propelled them to a respectable position in the table, and the response is that that is what a striker should do. Much as Kane did last season too. An injury of Rodriguez proportions to either of them would have meant them finishing in the bottom half of the table. That is a simply verifiable fact, proven by simply removing the goals that gained them additional points.

 

They cannot accept that they are not one of the top four clubs and have not been for some time, so they deride us that we cannot prevent players going to clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool, but that to go to Spurs would not be seen as that much of a step up in their careers. Alderweireld will appreciate the rise in his wages, but will find that without the protection of the midfield and defence that surrounded him here, he will not shine so brightly as he developes Lovren syndrome. Wanyama, if he knuckles down and has a good season, will thank us when he moves to a bigger club than Spurs, just as Schneiderlin did before him.

 

But of course, they are powerless to prevent their best players leaving for the bigger clubs too. It's just unfortunate for them that apart from Kane, there is hardly anybody in their current team who is wanted by the bigger clubs.

 

Sums it all up very nicely. This should be posted on their forum.

[The9]

LOL @ the concept that if someone gets injured no-one else is allowed to replace them in the team. Demented logic.

[Colinjb]

LOL @ the concept that if someone gets injured no-one else is allowed to replace them in the team. Demented logic.

 

That is a bit of a logic flaw, but, who would have had the same impact as Bale for them when he was at his height? So much of what he did was individual brilliance rather then based upon team-work.

[notnowcato]

That is a bit of a logic flaw, but, who would have had the same impact as Bale for them when he was at his height? So much of what he did was individual brilliance rather then based upon team-work.

 

It doesn't have to be a like for like, they may have improved defensively to garner other points they may have lost having Bale in. Anyway, most would agree it is far from a "fact".

[Wes Tender]

LOL @ the concept that if someone gets injured no-one else is allowed to replace them in the team. Demented logic.

 

There are occasionally exceptional players in a team who provide a significantly higher level of goals proportionately than their team mates. Bale and Kane are the obvious examples at Spurs, as was Suarez at Liverpool. It is claimed that the goals scored by Le Tiss in his pomp were what kept us up in several seasons.

 

Of course those players would have been replaced by those considered to be the next best option, but it is logically the case that if they were anywhere near as good, they would be the ones scoring all the goals. Spurs' most expensive striker was Soldado and I don't recall him contributing much. That Kane hit a purple patch was very lucky for them, especially as he was from their academy. How lucky would they have to be to unearth somebody capable of matching his goal tally if he became crocked?

 

One or both of their two new signings up front might produce the goods, or they might turn out to be the next Soldado and Lamela.

[david in sweden]

noted that;

(Les Reed?) stated that Saints would not have future dealings with Spurs (buying /selling)....because of (Daniel Levy's ) behaviour in the transfer market.

 

seems likely to be followed by West Brom AND West Ham who have their own axe to grind in that area......

[Professor]

Although Tottenham unsettled our manager in early 2014, presumably by offering more money, many Saints' fans would say they are grateful that he went, as Koeman is regarded by many as an upgrade. Looking back, Pochettino's lack of communication was also an irritation, regardless of his coaching skills. Despite Tottenham's rumoured interest in Saints' players, SFC has not sold a single player to Tottenham in the last 3 years. Alderweireld chose them over us but as he wasn't a Southampton player he was free to do whatever he wanted. It's very early days but so far we have had the better start, despite the Everton result, and the back four looks as strong as before as well as having greater strength in depth.

[doddisalegend]

Seems that spurs didn't really want to buy any new players as Poch (the saviour of English football) wanted to give more young academy products a chance

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-overtake-manchester-united-premier-league-side-most-academy-products-1518815

 

Mauricio Pochettino has proved his trust in the England talents since arriving in the Premier League in 2013 as replacement for Nigel Adkins at Southampton. Having overseen the progress of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers at the Saints, he replicated the same methods in his first year at White Hart Lane.

 

And the Argentinian boss looks ready to do the same in the current season, having opted against spending too much during the summer transfer window, instead handing chances to Alex Pritchard and Tom Carroll. With Andros Townsend and Danny Rose also in Pochettino's squad, the Soccerex Transfer Review 2016 revealed that Spurs have six academy products in the first team.

[alpine_saint]

Seems that spurs didn't really want to buy any new players as Poch (the saviour of English football) wanted to give more young academy products a chance

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-overtake-manchester-united-premier-league-side-most-academy-products-1518815

 

Mauricio Pochettino has proved his trust in the England talents since arriving in the Premier League in 2013 as replacement for Nigel Adkins at Southampton. Having overseen the progress of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers at the Saints, he replicated the same methods in his first year at White Hart Lane.

 

And the Argentinian boss looks ready to do the same in the current season, having opted against spending too much during the summer transfer window, instead handing chances to Alex Pritchard and Tom Carroll. With Andros Townsend and Danny Rose also in Pochettino's squad, the Soccerex Transfer Review 2016 revealed that Spurs have six academy products in the first team.

 

Must have been written by Alastair Campbell...

[sadoldgit]

Seems that spurs didn't really want to buy any new players as Poch (the saviour of English football) wanted to give more young academy products a chance

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-overtake-manchester-united-premier-league-side-most-academy-products-1518815

 

Mauricio Pochettino has proved his trust in the England talents since arriving in the Premier League in 2013 as replacement for Nigel Adkins at Southampton. Having overseen the progress of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers at the Saints, he replicated the same methods in his first year at White Hart Lane.

 

And the Argentinian boss looks ready to do the same in the current season, having opted against spending too much during the summer transfer window, instead handing chances to Alex Pritchard and Tom Carroll. With Andros Townsend and Danny Rose also in Pochettino's squad, the Soccerex Transfer Review 2016 revealed that Spurs have six academy products in the first team.

 

Would this be the same Andros Townsend that they have been trying to ship out for the last year?

[notnowcato]

but but but Poch is just a Head Coach....

[Saint IQ]

Seems that spurs didn't really want to buy any new players as Poch (the saviour of English football) wanted to give more young academy products a chance

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-overtake-manchester-united-premier-league-side-most-academy-products-1518815

 

Mauricio Pochettino has proved his trust in the England talents since arriving in the Premier League in 2013 as replacement for Nigel Adkins at Southampton. Having overseen the progress of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers at the Saints, he replicated the same methods in his first year at White Hart Lane.

 

And the Argentinian boss looks ready to do the same in the current season, having opted against spending too much during the summer transfer window, instead handing chances to Alex Pritchard and Tom Carroll. With Andros Townsend and Danny Rose also in Pochettino's squad, the Soccerex Transfer Review 2016 revealed that Spurs have six academy products in the first team.

 

All those players were already in the team with Adkins bar Chambers...Who wasn't as good as Clyne, another modern day charlatan?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Pochettino can definitely bring on the Spurs youngsters and they have a good Academy too so it's a good idea.

 

But the problem is that it won't deliver them Top 4 so Mr Levy will move onto the next Manager - the only potential blessing for Pochettino will be that as Spurs are building a new stadium he may be seen as an ideal Manager to keep them ticking over in their current area of 5th - 7th while that stadium is being built and then they should have more spending power.

[mcjwills]

Seems that spurs didn't really want to buy any new players as Poch (the saviour of English football) wanted to give more young academy products a chance

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tottenham-overtake-manchester-united-premier-league-side-most-academy-products-1518815

 

Mauricio Pochettino has proved his trust in the England talents since arriving in the Premier League in 2013 as replacement for Nigel Adkins at Southampton. Having overseen the progress of Luke Shaw, Adam Lallana, James Ward-Prowse and Calum Chambers at the Saints, he replicated the same methods in his first year at White Hart Lane.

 

And the Argentinian boss looks ready to do the same in the current season, having opted against spending too much during the summer transfer window, instead handing chances to Alex Pritchard and Tom Carroll. With Andros Townsend and Danny Rose also in Pochettino's squad, the Soccerex Transfer Review 2016 revealed that Spurs have six academy products in the first team.

 

Slight rewriting of our history lol

[shurlock]

All those players were already in the team with Adkins bar Chambers...Who wasn't as good as Clyne, another modern day charlatan?

 

They may have been notionally with the team; but you're wrong if you don't think they made huge strides under MP. You can also add Jrod and Morgan to that list.

[Miltonaggro]

Who cares what they think? Judging by the standard of response on there, it seems that most of them are on the same intellectual level as those on the Pompey forum.

 

The Telegraph paints an accurate picture of how Levy has alienated the owners of other clubs to the extent that many are reticent to do business with him. Their own fans are disappointed, even disgusted that Levy's shenanigans have resulted in them starting the new season without adequate support for Kane up front and without strengthening their midfield. And yet when we post similar sentiments on our forum, we are derided for it.

 

Post the opinion that Bale's goals had single-handedly propelled them to a respectable position in the table, and the response is that that is what a striker should do. Much as Kane did last season too. An injury of Rodriguez proportions to either of them would have meant them finishing in the bottom half of the table. That is a simply verifiable fact, proven by simply removing the goals that gained them additional points.

 

They cannot accept that they are not one of the top four clubs and have not been for some time, so they deride us that we cannot prevent players going to clubs like Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool, but that to go to Spurs would not be seen as that much of a step up in their careers. Alderweireld will appreciate the rise in his wages, but will find that without the protection of the midfield and defence that surrounded him here, he will not shine so brightly as he developes Lovren syndrome. Wanyama, if he knuckles down and has a good season, will thank us when he moves to a bigger club than Spurs, just as Schneiderlin did before him.

 

But of course, they are powerless to prevent their best players leaving for the bigger clubs too. It's just unfortunate for them that apart from Kane, there is hardly anybody in their current team who is wanted by the bigger clubs.

 

Good summary. The bottom line is that they are unwilling or simply cannot afford to pay the going rate for our desirable players anymore, and that's that. Levy's attempts at sharp practice, make Spurs look cheap and they are. Of course they are 'bigger' than us, with a more impressive history, but we are also amongst the top 20-25 clubs worldwide in terms of revenue, so to refer to us as a 'little club' is more than patronising, it's idiotic. As last season, the best thing for football would be for one or two of the well-supported provincial clubs like ourselves, Stoke, or Swansea to replace Spurs or Liverpool in the top six - best for football and good for the soul!

[Patrick Bateman]

I don't get the obsession with other teams. Toby went to Spurs, oh well, his choice. A lot of internet types are becoming really obsessive now, it's a bit weird.

[Mr Biscuits]

I don't think three pages constitutes an obsession tbh.

If you would care to take a peek at the 'Pompey takeover saga' thread.... THATS an obsession. (And yes I know I post on there regularly)

 

I think the fallout from Levy's dealings in recent years is interesting, but nothing more than that.

Toby signing for them was a shock but not a massive one and I quickly moved on. Although I think it is sh!tbaggery of the highest order for him to say what he said about how signing for the NLY was something g he had to do because his club had already struck the deal. (Total b0llocks in my opinion, there's plenty of players who have refused deals that seemed done)

 

Thus thread will die naturally

[Saint IQ]

They may have been notionally with the team; but you're wrong if you don't think they made huge strides under MP. You can also add Jrod and Morgan to that list.

 

Wrong? Or just a different opinion to yours? They may have also made strides under Adkins or another manager? MP was lucky when he came into the job, he had the perfect type of players for his philosophy already there, who were also good footballers as well. Maybe Rickie, Gaston and Guly didn't fit his high press but all the others did and Rickie was so good at scoring and creating goals he just had to be in the team leading the line.

[BlakeySFC]

Personally, I think all this Spurs hating nonsense is incredibly pathetic and tinpot, I just don't understand the 'animosity' we sound like bloody Bournemouth fans going on about us at times, it's just utterly utterly pathetic.

[whelk]

All fans do it though. I don't really hate Spurs and Liverpool but are my least favourite clubs. All can change quickly though.used to hate Utd and Arsenal more. Starting to hate Chelsea. Almost stopped hating Everton now.

Can all hinge on something as flimsy as a chairman or manager's compliment or criticism of us, a bad tackle by one of their players, fans behaving like cnts, a low transfer bid.....

 

Not rational or mature I know but how it is.

[Toadhall Saint]

All fans do it though. I don't really hate Spurs and Liverpool but are my least favourite clubs. All can change quickly though.used to hate Utd and Arsenal more. Starting to hate Chelsea. Almost stopped hating Everton now.

Can all hinge on something as flimsy as a chairman or manager's compliment or criticism of us, a bad tackle by one of their players, fans behaving like cnts, a low transfer bid.....

 

Not rational or mature I know but how it is.

 

It's a funny old game.

[alpine_saint]

Personally, I think all this Spurs hating nonsense is incredibly pathetic and tinpot, I just don't understand the 'animosity' we sound like bloody Bournemouth fans going on about us at times, it's just utterly utterly pathetic.

 

Rubbish.

 

Saints have done nothing but help Bournemouth out over the years with friendlies and such like. One of the significant factors for why they are now in the PL is the sell-on fee that they got for Lallana, and it was Saints that increased his value so much.

 

Spurs on the other hand have been living off us in an offensive parasitic relationship for some time.

 

The hatred heaped on Spurs by Saints fans is fully deserved, unlike that from Bournemouth fans to Saints.

[VectisSaint]

Personally, I think all this Spurs hating nonsense is incredibly pathetic and tinpot, I just don't understand the 'animosity' we sound like bloody Bournemouth fans going on about us at times, it's just utterly utterly pathetic.

Long term "rivalry", pre-dates Pompey hating for many older supporters.

[sadoldgit]

All fans do it though. I don't really hate Spurs and Liverpool but are my least favourite clubs. All can change quickly though.used to hate Utd and Arsenal more. Starting to hate Chelsea. Almost stopped hating Everton now.

Can all hinge on something as flimsy as a chairman or manager's compliment or criticism of us, a bad tackle by one of their players, fans behaving like cnts, a low transfer bid.....

 

Not rational or mature I know but how it is.

 

I always look out for Manure's results as I like to see them lose, but other than that I don't see the point in "hating" another club. Liverpool are in vogue at the moment because they have taken a number of players from us, but I remember following them in Europe in their peak hoping they would win, as I did with Celtic in 1967. Never enjoyed any of Manure's success but that had more to do with not liking Fergie much - never hated the auld fella though. Still, it all boils down to basic tribalism.

[suewhistle]

Can all hinge on something as flimsy as a chairman or manager's compliment or criticism of us, a bad tackle by one of their players, fans behaving like cnts, a low transfer bid.....

 

Yeah, b****y Stoke, where Captain Smith came from.. Then there's Everton.. that John Bailey who got Osgood sent off... ;-)

[richardc]

All fans do it though. I don't really hate Spurs and Liverpool but are my least favourite clubs. All can change quickly though.used to hate Utd and Arsenal more. Starting to hate Chelsea. Almost stopped hating Everton now.

Can all hinge on something as flimsy as a chairman or manager's compliment or criticism of us, a bad tackle by one of their players, fans behaving like cnts, a low transfer bid.....

 

Not rational or mature I know but how it is.

 

Thats interesting as after 30 years of unmitigated dislike of both scouse teams, I too have started to stop hating Everton and moving on to plain indifference. However my distaste for Liverpool continues unabated

[Saint Charlie]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/pochettino-asks-star-why-he-didn-t-join-southampton

 

Sounds like Son was on our radar previously.

[angelman]

Personally, I think all this Spurs hating nonsense is incredibly pathetic and tinpot, I just don't understand the 'animosity' we sound like bloody Bournemouth fans going on about us at times, it's just utterly utterly pathetic.

 

Some might have reasons that you don't understand. I remember in 1998 (??) coming away after a 1-1 draw and the person I was with being kicked (or attempted to) in the head for no reason. Ever since then I have disliked them - of course dislike is in the rather banal tribalistic sense.

[GGalpin]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/pochettino-asks-star-why-he-didn-t-join-southampton

 

Sounds like Son was on our radar previously.

 

Think it was when he went to Leverkusen. Us and Cardiff were interested too, IIRC.

[5string]

Rubbish.

 

Saints have done nothing but help Bournemouth out over the years with friendlies and such like. One of the significant factors for why they are now in the PL is the sell-on fee that they got for Lallana, and it was Saints that increased his value so much.

 

Spurs on the other hand have been living off us in an offensive parasitic relationship for some time.

 

The hatred heaped on Spurs by Saints fans is fully deserved, unlike that from Bournemouth fans to Saints.

 

I find myself agreeing with this, although Spurs haven't often succeeded in actually living off us. It's their attempts and the manner of their attempts which irks. They treat us with contempt and, like you, I find that offensive.

[Wes Tender]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/pochettino-asks-star-why-he-didn-t-join-southampton

 

Sounds like Son was on our radar previously.

 

A nice bit of propaganda, making it look as if he prefers to go to former glory club Spurs, instead of to Southampton, whose star is in the ascendency. But apparently he had the opportunity to come here before to play under Poch, but he went instead to Leverkusen, who play aggressive football, which he likes very much, and he likes to pressure opponents. He thought that he could be a better player if he trained under Sami Hyypiä.

 

Interesting to read the level of pettiness that Spurs are prepared to go to, banning him from having a car in rival Arsenal's colours. I can't see us having nothing better to do than insist that none of our players have a blue car. I appreciate that red is a propitious colour in Far East cultures, so maybe he ought to insist on having a red car and see what Spurs would propose to do about it.

[John B]

I find myself agreeing with this, although Spurs haven't often succeeded in actually living off us. It's their attempts and the manner of their attempts which irks. They treat us with contempt and, like you, I find that offensive.

 

I think Levy treats all clubs with contempt